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It's not irrational not to want government to make my healthcare decisions.
Move to Canada, chump.
Instead you want a huge for profit corporation? Because they are running things so wonderfully, eh?
And don't have too. Obama is going to implement socialized (to an extent) medicine. Don't like it? Move to zimbabwe, bitch. They have a great system where only the rich get anything at all, should be right up your ally.
So the Gov moves into a sector in which things are going smoothly, mandates, regulates, and subsumes it and causes great harm to that secto, removing competition, and then moves to take it over to make certain that it operates fairly and efficiently into the future.
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This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.
Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.
"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge, Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy, and that's the major finding in our study."
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com
1.5 million is .5% of the population of the united states and 60% of .5% is .3% of the population of the united states.
OH MY FUCKING GAWWWWD!!!!
THIS IS A CRISIS OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS.
Friend on mine lost his leg last month in a motorcycle accident.
Eight surgeries later his current bill (he's still in the hospital, so it's still climbing) is hovering at about $700,000,
Neither his nor the other person who hit him has enough insurance to cover that expense.
So that's one accident, two private insurance companies covering it, and it STILL leads to two personal bankruptsies.
Okay now which of you market advocates who love the system we have right now could afford a $700,000 hit and not go broke?
Damned right health issues are causing most bankruptsies in this nation.
Friend on mine lost his leg last month in a motorcycle accident.
Eight surgeries later his current bill (he's still in the hospital, so it's still climbing) is hovering at about $700,000,
Neither his nor the other person who hit him has enough insurance to cover that expense.
So that's one accident, two private insurance companies covering it, and it STILL leads to two personal bankruptsies.
Okay now which of you market advocates who love the system we have right now could afford a $700,000 hit and not go broke?
Damned right health issues are causing most bankruptsies in this nation.
There were about 100,000 personal bankruptices in 2008. Even if it's credible that 60% of those were over medical bills, why fuck up health care for 300 million people over 60,000 medical bankruptcies, or 0.2%?
This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.
Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.
"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge, Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy, and that's the major finding in our study."
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com
1.5 million is .5% of the population of the united states and 60% of .5% is .3% of the population of the united states.
OH MY FUCKING GAWWWWD!!!!
THIS IS A CRISIS OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS.
Of course that number is the ANNUAL number of bankrupsies, too, isn't it?
That number isn't the statsitical rate over all our lifetimes, but the statistical rate in ONE YEAR.
And you are also comparing the population to the number of bankrupsies, too aren't you?
Only bankruptsies are trypically a FAMILY affair, too, aren't they?
So for example in the case I just cited, it's not one accident/ two bankruptsies for two persons, it's two bankruptries for TWO FAMILIES.
Rather changes those statistics of yours somewhat, doesn't it?
You'll be sanguine about this HC problem until it comes to your door, I suspect, SP.
But when you find that everything you've worked for is taken from you and your familiy by one unfortunely event; when you discover that all your frugality and hard work amounted to nothing whatever, then perhaps you'll start to understand that this problem is everybody's problem.
Who wants government making their healthcare decisions?
Who wants government making their healthcare decisions?
In a single payer system you still chose your doctor and your doctor still choses your treatment. I know you don't realize that every other Westem democracy has a single payer system and they pay HALF what we pay for healthcare. Why? Because they don't have to pay insurance companies, liablilty lawyers, and Big Pharma.
The goal, Daschles book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept hopeless diagnoses and forgo experimental treatments, and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.
Daschle says health-care reform will not be pain free. Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.
The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid. The bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined
This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.
Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.
"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge, Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy, and that's the major finding in our study."
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com
Welcome to the world of regulation ... you can't expect the prices to go down while all competition is being regulated out of business by the government, can you.
- Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.1
- The number of uninsured rose 2.2 million between 2005 and 2006 and has increased by almost 8 million people since 2000.1
- The large majority of the uninsured (80 percent) are native or naturalized citizens.
- The increase in the number of uninsured in 2006 was focused among working age adults. The percentage of working adults (18 to 64) who had no health coverage climbed from 19.7 percent in 2005 to 20.2 percent in 2006.1 Nearly 1.3 million full-time workers lost their health insurance in 2006. - NCHC
It's not irrational not to want government to make my healthcare decisions.
Move to Canada, chump.
Welcome to the world of regulation ... you can't expect the prices to go down while all competition is being regulated out of business by the government, can you.
Right...because in those countries where healthcare is so much cheaper (see Canada, UK, France, Germany...well, pretty much anywhere), they have so much less regulation than we do.
You have a severe case of the stupids and a irrational phobia of regulation.
Not only is healthcare cheaper in every other Western democracy, but because our companies are the only ones in the world that have to pay for healthcare, they are at a huge competitive disadvantage.
The lack of national healthcare is killing American business.
Right...because in those countries where healthcare is so much cheaper (see Canada, UK, France, Germany...well, pretty much anywhere), they have so much less regulation than we do.
You have a severe case of the stupids and a irrational phobia of regulation.
Not only is healthcare cheaper in every other Western democracy, but because our companies are the only ones in the world that have to pay for healthcare, they are at a huge competitive disadvantage.
The lack of national healthcare is killing American business.
Because there is less of it doesn't make it cheaper, just more of it is being rationed or denied to those in need. Because it is such a large sector of our economy doesn't make it more expensive, it simply means that it is more available to everyone but the costs areactually being recognized in the economy, unlike those other Western Democracies.
The person who incurred a $700,000 medical bill back a few posts simply wouldn't have been able to get that much medical service in any other Western Democracy, and the real cost to them is a bankruptcy filing and having that on their financial record. I just just hope that person benefited from it.
And that last part of your comment about our companies having to pay for healthcare is simply not the case, nor is it even the case they have to pay for employees insurance. It's just a competitive inducement on thier part to attract and keep employees, and something that should be done a whole lot less so that everyone can get insurance; what needs to be fixed is the insurance model, and most of those problems arise out of our government's involvement in it, well meaning though it may be.
It's not irrational not to want government to make my healthcare decisions.
Move to Canada, chump.
Instead you want a huge for profit corporation? Because they are running things so wonderfully, eh?
And don't have too. Obama is going to implement socialized (to an extent) medicine. Don't like it? Move to zimbabwe, bitch. They have a great system where only the rich get anything at all, should be right up your ally.
So the Gov moves into a sector in which things are going smoothly, mandates, regulates, and subsumes it and causes great harm to that sector, removing almost all competition, and then moves to take it over to make certain that it operates fairly and efficiently into the future. We can expect something on a par to Amtrak as a reliable provider of services.
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This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.
Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.
"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge, Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy, and that's the major finding in our study."
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com
This year, an estimated 1.5 million Americans will declare bankruptcy. Many people may chalk up that misfortune to overspending or a lavish lifestyle, but a new study suggests that more than 60 percent of people who go bankrupt are actually capsized by medical bills.
Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.
"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge, Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy, and that's the major finding in our study."
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com
Right...because in those countries where healthcare is so much cheaper (see Canada, UK, France, Germany...well, pretty much anywhere), they have so much less regulation than we do.
You have a severe case of the stupids and a irrational phobia of regulation.
Not only is healthcare cheaper in every other Western democracy, but because our companies are the only ones in the world that have to pay for healthcare, they are at a huge competitive disadvantage.
The lack of national healthcare is killing American business.
Because there is less of it doesn't make it cheaper, just more of it is being rationed or denied to those in need. Because it is such a large sector of our economy doesn't make it more expensive, it simply means that it is more available to everyone but the costs areactually being recognized in the economy, unlike those other Western Democracies.
The person who incurred a $700,000 medical bill back a few posts simply wouldn't have been able to get that much medical service in any other Western Democracy,
Poppycock.
I can assure you that had that fellow gotten hit in most European nations or Canada, he'd have gotten the same care.
and the real cost to them is a bankruptcy filing and having that on their financial record. I just just hope that person benefited from it.
Yes, that is true. We are however talking about bankruptsy filings and health care are we not?
And that last part of your comment about our companies having to pay for healthcare is simply not the case, nor is it even the case they have to pay for employees insurance.
I'm not sure I said anything about companies having to pay for healthcare.
Not only is healthcare cheaper in every other Western democracy, but because our companies are the only ones in the world that have to pay for healthcare, they are at a huge competitive disadvantage.
The lack of national healthcare is killing American business.
Because there is less of it doesn't make it cheaper, just more of it is being rationed or denied to those in need. Because it is such a large sector of our economy doesn't make it more expensive, it simply means that it is more available to everyone but the costs areactually being recognized in the economy, unlike those other Western Democracies.
Poppycock.
I can assure you that had that fellow gotten hit in most European nations or Canada, he'd have gotten the same care.
Yes, that is true. We are however talking about bankruptsy filings and health care are we not?
And that last part of your comment about our companies having to pay for healthcare is simply not the case, nor is it even the case they have to pay for employees insurance.
I'm not sure I said anything about companies having to pay for healthcare.
Ed,
You tangled some quote tags which misattributed some comments made by me. Would you mind correcting that with an edit?
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