Means-testing - a strategy for taking away benefits

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    "By falsely asserting that the benefits of Medicare and Social Security are major
    drivers of the deficit, conservatives try to divert attention from the
    wasteful things that actually drive deficits."


    6 Reasons Joseph Stiglitz and Other Top Economists Think Means-Testing Medicare & Social Security Is a Destructive Idea



    Means-testing is a back-door strategy
    for taking away benefits earned
    by hard-working Americans.



    Lynn Stuart Parramore
    December 31, 2012


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    1. Means-Testing Undermines Progressive Values
    At their heart, programs like Medicare and Social Security are about fairness, equality and shared citizenship, values that progressive Americans hold dear.

    Medicare and Social Security are not welfare programs. They are benefits that people pay for as they work. They are also smart social insurance programs that spread risk across society in order to protect everyone at rates no private insurance scheme, with its much smaller risk pool, could touch.

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    2. Means-Testing Won&#8217;t Stop at the Wealthy
    Make no mistake: If means-testing on the wealthy is allowed, conservatives will keep pushing until that same means-testing is applied to the middle class, who increasingly must rely on Social Security and Medicare in times of economic uncertainty and job insecurity.


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    Hell yeah! Means test it. And if they dont get the benefit then give them their money back!
     
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    Except the growth of entitlement programs IS the major driver of the deficit.
    Fail.
     
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    Exactly my point. Without redistribution of wealth the left has no platform.
     
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    We're going to have means testing. I would be for it if we also reformed SS and Medicare to be private savings programs along the Chilean model. If people were able to keep and invest their own money instead of the government borrowing it to fund CRAP, then far fewer people would need the safety net.
     
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    But if people have control over their own money then the government will have a tough time redistributing the private savings of the responsible to the dependents of the state. Democrats will never go for it.
     
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    Obama's 'death panels' are a means test.
     
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    Means testing is almost the only sound fiscal idea to come out of DC in years.

    We're upside down and to right the ship before it sinks is going to require sacrifices.
     
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    As you know, at least I think you're smart enough to know (you can choose to prove me wrong about that) Social Security ain't upside down and doesn't contribute to the debt.


    What does it say to you that, so far, the only posters responding to the info in the OP are the same posters that have implied in past posts that they want to see Social Security and Medicare destroyed, which of course, is a part of the proof that "means testing" is a pathway to the destruction of the solvent-efficient-successful-popular-government run Social Security and Medicare programs but-----but to rightwinger's chagrin the greatest POTUS in history designed Social Security to be attached to a payroll tax so that “no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program.”


    "Medicare and Social Security are not handouts to the needy. They are not even intended to be a safety net. In their design, they promote the fundamental notion that dignity and good health in old age are not special privileges that can be bestowed or taken away. They are fundamental rights that every working American who has contributed productively to the economy can expect to enjoy. As James K. Galbraith told me in an email, “It’s insurance, not charity.”

    Means-testing runs against this fundamental idea by turning Medicare and Social Security into welfare programs that become bargaining chips for politicians. The programs become provisional rather than fundamental. President Franklin Roosevelt understood this point well, which is why he designed Social Security to be attached to a payroll tax so that “no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program.”" ~ Lynn Stuart Parramore
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    Social security pays out far more individually than it takes in. That is upside down. Period. The system is a flawed gimmick that no longer protects seniors but rather ensures that congress always has a funded piggy bank to rob.
     

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