Meaning To Or Not, Turkey Has Kissed EU Entry Goodbye

[Annie]

It's my prediction. And EU is not governed of 27 Denmarks with rightist government.
There are circles in Eu who do not have interrest in conflict with muslim world.

In Europe there live 20 Million Muslims. They are not protected from laws against discrimination. How many Jews live in Europe? Maybe less than these 20 Millions, but still there exist some laws protecting them.

So what is wrong now demanding this for every religion. Be it Hinduism or Islam.

And the sign leads to there. In Germany a court decided 1 year prison for a man who printed Koran on Toilet-paper and market it.

How long before Sharia becomes law in EU?

 

[ekrem]

Because there are special law protecting Jews, the same should be for Muslims.

If anything, Canavar these special Jewish laws will be removed and replaced with universal legislation protecting all minorities equally. Speacial legislation for each group would be very time consuming and somewhat redundant.

Yes this is the best solution...

 

[Said1]

Yes i said, that Laws will changed. And this will happen. Said1 argumented with minority-status and soon. What i mean is a different thing, that you can't insult churches, or express anti-semitism or anti-christianism in some european countries and cannot discriminate some people.
To prevent this there exist laws.

Discrimination against Muslims in Europe is open and not stopped via laws as by Jews or Christians for example. Turkey now says: Include other religions too in these laws protecting people from discrimination.

Whatever protections each member state has implemented is obviously sufficient for EU membership. When I said laws will be changed, that was rhetorical scenario. I also don't see that happening anytime soon since it's probably is not within the EU's power to demand each member state make such concessions.

 

[ekrem]

How long before Sharia becomes law in EU?

Are you interested in discussion ? Or what are you interested in?

 

[Annie]

Whatever protections each member state has implemented is obviously sufficient for EU membership. When I said laws will be changed, that was rhetorical scenario. I also don't see that happening anytime soon since it's probably is not within the EU's power to demand each member state make such concessions.

Perhaps closer than you think:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/857

U: From Welfare State to Police State
From the desk of Elaib Harvey on Sat, 2006-02-25 17:06

Here is a fascinating insight into the workings and the growth of the Corpus Juris. It appears that the European Parliament is working furiously to justify a decision of the European Court of Justice (ECJ) – which permits the EU to define crimes and set penalties – and to approve the construction of an EU judiciary and police, for enforcing them.

The Parliament rejected a resolution by the (eurosceptic) Independence and Democracy Group opposing the ECJ-decision. The resolution was based upon the statements of the Austrian Prime Minister Wolgang Schüssel who in his first interview as President in Office of the Council of Ministers had called for a review of the status of the ECJ. In the interview Mr Schüssel had said that the unchecked power of the ECJ is problematic.

That is not the way the European Parliament sees it. The EP set up an enquiry hailing the ECJ-judgement as a glorious landmark on the road to EU-sovereignty. The French Liberal MEP Jean-Marie Cavada, who is the chairman of the Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Internal Affairs, writes in his ‘Opinion:’ “The realisation of the European Project entails the creation of a single, judicial area […] founded […] on the primacy of Community law […] conforming to the jurisprudence of the ECJ […] and suppressing all penal provisions incompatible with it.”

“However,” he continues, “even in the absence of unequivocal treaty-provisions for interaction, between the EU’s Judicial Order and the criminal codes of the nation-states […] the ECJ has affirmed that nothing prevents the EU-legislator taking measures relating to the latter.” Cavada goes on to ”re-affirm […] the urgent need to proceed with […] the process of absorbing judicial and police-cooperation into the competence of the EU.”

And then comes the startling news: “The Committee,” he enthuses, “welcomes the initiative, taken by the Appeal Courts of the member-states, to form a network for tackling problems linked to the activities of the EU, notably, the existence [which is coming about] side-by-side, of European, and national, criminal penalties.”

 

[Annie]

Are you interested in discussion ? Or what are you interested in?

I posed the question seriously.

 

[ekrem]

Whatever protections each member state has implemented is obviously sufficient for EU membership. When I said laws will be changed, that was rhetorical scenario. I also don't see that happening anytime soon since it's probably is not within the EU's power to demand each member state make such concessions.

Yes. We will see. MAybe European commission will work on such laws general for EU-countries. If not, for Turkey it is enough when countries in which large scale of Turks live adopt some laws, that Turks are protected in this Islam-phobia mania.

For Maghreb-Muslims, Arab-Muslims or others there should their states lobby.
Turkey just wants not that its Turkish citizen in Europe get under the wheels in these times were everything is being generalized.

 

[Said1]

Perhaps closer than you think:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/857

No doubt. Just trying to rationalize a bit. Better luck next time I guess.

 

[Annie]

No doubt. Just trying to rationalize a bit. Better luck next time I guess.

Time will tell. I haven't liked the past couple months.

 

[Said1]

Yes. We will see. MAybe European commission will work on such laws general for EU-countries. If not, for Turkey it is enough when countries in which large scale of Turks live adopt some laws, that Turks are protected in this Islam-phobia mania.

For Maghreb-Muslims, Arab-Muslims or others there should their states lobby.
Turkey just wants not that its Turkish citizen in Europe get under the wheels in these times were everything is being generalized.

I don't think the EU should be dictating to member states in that manner. Theline has to be drawn somewhere.

 

[Said1]

Time will tell. I haven't liked the past couple months.

Interesting predicament for the member states. Ok, maybe interesting isn't the best choice of words, but lines of soveignty have to be clearly drawn.