Meaning of second coming of Jesus

[dattaswami]

Meaning of second coming of Jesus

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”.

The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again.

When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

 

[Ravi]

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[vincubus]

Meaning of second coming of Jesus

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”.

The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again.

When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

yes, the vessel is simply that which contains the energy. the energy perpetuates while the vessel rots in the ground once its use is over.

i do accept that there is much to energy that we cannot understand. we are, after all, limited by our finiteness. and capable only of understanding from that place, which usually means we understand poorly. i recognize that energy understood culturally. we put faces to energy, and assign it attributes that are human, much as we put sweaters on our pets in part so we can "humanize" them. we relate better to those things that are more like us than not more like us, so we must make energy more like ourselves to understand it. that of necessity limits drastically how we will perceive energy.

 

[dattaswami]

Meaning of second coming of Jesus

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”.

The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again.

When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

yes, the vessel is simply that which contains the energy. the energy perpetuates while the vessel rots in the ground once its use is over.

i do accept that there is much to energy that we cannot understand. we are, after all, limited by our finiteness. and capable only of understanding from that place, which usually means we understand poorly. i recognize that energy understood culturally. we put faces to energy, and assign it attributes that are human, much as we put sweaters on our pets in part so we can "humanize" them. we relate better to those things that are more like us than not more like us, so we must make energy more like ourselves to understand it. that of necessity limits drastically how we will perceive energy.

Energy is a creation of God only. Hence not above God. For God energy is also an illusion but not for us.

This entire universe made of energy is just an imagination or dream of God only. Hence with respect to God this entire universe is almost nothing.

 

[dattaswami]

Oh, I get it...you're a spambot. Look at all these places you've posted the same drivel.

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A whopping 1,760 places!

I am posting my articles for a truth ful discussion. You must read and try to discuss with me rather than doing a baseless arguments.

 

[Ravi]

Oh, I get it...you're a spambot. Look at all these places you've posted the same drivel.

Google

A whopping 1,760 places!

I am posting my articles for a truth ful discussion. You must read and try to discuss with me rather than doing a baseless arguments.

I must do nothing, moron.

 

[Avatar4321]

I am posting my articles for a truth ful discussion. You must read and try to discuss with me rather than doing a baseless arguments.

Im going to have to agree with Ravi here. If you wanted a truthful discussion, you would be discussing. You wouldnt be ignoring what people say and ask and then lecturing. People have been trying to discuss matters.

 

[N4mddissent]

Energy is a creation of God only. Hence not above God. For God energy is also an illusion but not for us.

This entire universe made of energy is just an imagination or dream of God only. Hence with respect to God this entire universe is almost nothing.

Ho hum...The entire universe is made of energy and nothing. Albert Einstein showed us how matter is essentially concentrated energy. This was dramatically illustrated by the atomic bomb which caused the ending of a lot of names.

And since most atoms consist primarily of empty space, the matter that is in the universe, including you and I, consists of more empty space than matter. Thus, the universe is almost nothing.

However, if energy is an illusion to god, then god can do no work since that requires energy. (join the club, god, there's a lot people who can't work in america right now.) He cannot create since without energy being put into the system, he would violate the laws of thermodynamics. And of course, I suppose god dreamed you with the knowledge that the condition of reality you describe obtains. Or perhaps you dreamed that god dreamed you. Or god dreamed that you dreamed that he dreamed you.

You see, that's the silly sort of regresses you can get into as long as you choose to make assertions rather than rational argument. And by the way, this "inner Lord" you mentioned. I've been looking over anatomical charts all day and I'm not quite sure to which part you are referring.

 

[dattaswami]

Energy is a creation of God only. Hence not above God. For God energy is also an illusion but not for us.

This entire universe made of energy is just an imagination or dream of God only. Hence with respect to God this entire universe is almost nothing.

Ho hum...The entire universe is made of energy and nothing. Albert Einstein showed us how matter is essentially concentrated energy. This was dramatically illustrated by the atomic bomb which caused the ending of a lot of names.

And since most atoms consist primarily of empty space, the matter that is in the universe, including you and I, consists of more empty space than matter. Thus, the universe is almost nothing.

However, if energy is an illusion to god, then god can do no work since that requires energy. (join the club, god, there's a lot people who can't work in america right now.) He cannot create since without energy being put into the system, he would violate the laws of thermodynamics. And of course, I suppose god dreamed you with the knowledge that the condition of reality you describe obtains. Or perhaps you dreamed that god dreamed you. Or god dreamed that you dreamed that he dreamed you.

You see, that's the silly sort of regresses you can get into as long as you choose to make assertions rather than rational argument. And by the way, this "inner Lord" you mentioned. I've been looking over anatomical charts all day and I'm not quite sure to which part you are referring.

The primordial energy is called as Mula Maya or Mula Prakruti, which is in the form of space. When this is condensed, it appears in the form of light etc. When this is further condensed, it appears in the form of matter through illusion as explained above. When the primordial energy or its form works in a special technology, such work is called as awareness. Therefore, awareness as work form, light etc., as condensed form and matter as intensively condensed form are the three forms of primordial energy. These three forms are called as Maha Maya.

The cosmic inert energy is the space from which the entire creation is evolved. Matter, awareness, light, heat etc., along with their modifications constitute this universe and all this is evolved from the primordial energy, which is the space. In Veda it is said that space is generated from God and from space the entire creation is evolved. Hence, space is the first item of creation, which acts as the primary source for the whole creation. The modifications of the space are due to illusions only and thus the entire universe is an illusion form of the space only, which is the inert primordial energy. Hence, the universe is space only and we can say that the universe is maintained by space.

When the illusions are removed, all the modifications in the universe disappear and this is the final dissolution of the universe into space. Therefore, the space can be called as Brahman, which is the creator, maintainer and destroyer of the universe. All these points are correlated with Brahman. It is said that the universe is created, maintained and destroyed by Brahman. It is also said that the entire world is Brahman only since the world is based on illusion. All these are merits of the primordial energy to be called as Brahman, the greatest in the universe. The concept that the soul or Atman in its basic form in deep sleep is Brahman is also correlated.

 

[Avatar4321]

Who has God come as since Jesus? You obviously have some names or you wouldnt be making the claim? Were the wicked destroyed at His coming?

 

[vincubus]

Meaning of second coming of Jesus

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”.

The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again.

When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

yes, the vessel is simply that which contains the energy. the energy perpetuates while the vessel rots in the ground once its use is over.

i do accept that there is much to energy that we cannot understand. we are, after all, limited by our finiteness. and capable only of understanding from that place, which usually means we understand poorly. i recognize that energy understood culturally. we put faces to energy, and assign it attributes that are human, much as we put sweaters on our pets in part so we can "humanize" them. we relate better to those things that are more like us than not more like us, so we must make energy more like ourselves to understand it. that of necessity limits drastically how we will perceive energy.

Energy is a creation of God only. Hence not above God. For God energy is also an illusion but not for us.

This entire universe made of energy is just an imagination or dream of God only. Hence with respect to God this entire universe is almost nothing.

perhaps you can help me. yes, i am sure you can.

there is a need for energy to do anything, whether that is to think, or physically act. if god existed before energy, i just can't seem to understand how he then could have created energy, since "he" had none with which to do anything. if one says energy was created at the same moment god was, then one might as well speak of energy as god, or god as energy, and whatever created the two twins woudl be god, but we would still arrive back at the inability to do anything without energy.. do you see my confusion?

now, the first law of thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and that sounds suspiciously like god. that law is one shown to be pretty universal as far as i know, and so i cannot imagine a god being arbitrary with his "laws". such a god could not then be trusted, and wouldnt be much of a god.

i am hoping you can help me understand

 

[dattaswami]

now, the first law of thermodynamics says energy can neither be created nor destroyed, and that sounds suspiciously like god. that law is one shown to be pretty universal as far as i know, and so i cannot imagine a god being arbitrary with his "laws". such a god could not then be trusted, and wouldnt be much of a god.

i am hoping you can help me understand

The first creation that came from God is space or inert energy. Akasa (space) and Tejas (inert energy) are one and the same because space is a form of inert energy only. Matter, work, light, heat, sound, electricity, magnetism and awareness are also other forms of inert energy. Our imagination cannot cross the limits of space. The link or process of production between God and space is also unimaginable like God. This link is beyond space and God is beyond this link. The space is called as Mahat. The link is called as Avyaktam which means unimaginable. The Parabrahman is mentioned as purusha. The Veda says that Avyaktam is beyond space and purusha is beyond Avyaktam (Mahatah paramavyaktam avyaktat purushah parah).

God is first. Space is second. Air is third. We can explain the generation of third from second, but not the second from first. Second and third are imaginable items. Space or energy became air. Air means atoms. This is energy condensing into matter. This process of condensation is explicable and debatable. This process is parinama or vivarta. If matter is different from energy only by quantitative way it is vivarta like water condensed to ice. Vivarta brings only physical difference. The parinama is qualitative difference like milk becoming curd. Before the creation of matter, only energy exists. If energy is condensed, it should be vivarta process only, which is physical. But if all the mater is energy only, how the qualitative difference came between items of matter? There cannot be qualitative difference between blocks of ice having various sizes. One block of ice may be more concentrated (or condensed) but it cannot bring a qualitative difference. But the qualitative difference between the milk and curd is practically experienced in the world. Milk and curd are also condensed products of same energy and may have quantitative difference. Thus this point of contradiction brings the unimaginability, which is the characteristic of God. Therefore, the presence of the unimaginable power of God (Maya) is everywhere in the world. The Gita says that this Prakruti is also Maya (Mayam tu prakrutim). Thus the entire world is affected by the hidden power of God (Maya), which is known by deep analysis.

When the energy and work are essentially same, the different quantities of energy-drops (electrons) giving rise to different properties mean different works of God giving rise to different properties. Here the wonder is that the working material and work are one and the same in essence. Therefore, the unimaginable God does wonderful works and His work it self is the working material. The work is power of God, which it self is the working material. All this creation is work without any separate working material because the working material itself is a form of work. According to science also, any material (matter) is a form of energy and work is also a form of the same energy. Thus, this wonder exists in science, which says that matter is a condensed form energy. For the process of condensation, space is required and the space should be different from energy for the process of condensation to take place. But space is a form of energy as per the special theory of relativity. In such case, how the energy is condensed? Because, space is also energy. This is another wonder. Like this, when this nature (Prakruti) is analyzed, it is a wonder (Maya) only as said in Gita (Mayam tu..).

Thus, Maya becomes the inner substratum of the world. God is the substratum of Maya (Mayinam tu…Gita). Thus, God is the final substratum of this world. The generation of matter on condensation of energy and the transformation of matter in to energy by dilution are wonders in the context of space being the energy. Thus, the generation, maintenance on substratum and dissolution are works of Maya, which mean wonders of God. Such wonder is for souls only and is well known to God and therefore it is not a wonder to God. Thus, Maya is a logic or science for God, just like the nature is a logical science to the souls. It is only higher logic or super science of God which is above the level of souls.

 

[Ralph]

Meaning of second coming of Jesus

The names like Rama, Krishna, Jesus etc., belong to the external human body, which has taken birth. Such names are generated only after the birth of these human bodies. Therefore, such names are certainly the names of the external human bodies only, which are like the shirts. When the human bodies perish, these names also must perish. But these names exist as eternal names even after the disappearance of these human bodies due to death. The reason is that these names were directed towards the inner Lord even during the time of existence these human bodies. A person is carrying vegetables for selling. You call him by the name “ Vegetables”.

The person is not vegetable and the vegetables are not the person also. But the possessor of the vegetables is called by the name of the possessed material. Similarly, when the name “ Krishna or Jesus” was called, this name was directed towards the internal Lord also. Therefore, even if the human body perished, since the Lord is eternal, Krishna or Jesus is also eternal. When Krishna said that He will come again and again, whenever necessary ( Yada Yada hi….Gita), it means the eternal Lord present in the human body will come again and again through different human forms. Similarly, when it is told that Jesus will come again, it means the Lord present in that human body will come again. Here the names Krishna and Jesus indicate the Lord and not the human body.

When some body says that He will come again after 20 years, it does not mean that he will come in the same shirt. Even in the case of the ordinary human beings the name indicates the inner eternal soul also. When people say that Subba Rao died, it means that the name indicates the external human body. People say that Subba Rao’s last journey is today. It means that the name indicates only the external body, which is going to be cremated in the burial ground on that day. In these sayings the name indicates the external human body. But after one-year people say that today is the yearly ceremony of Subba Rao. When you have stated that Subba Rao finished his last journey one year back, how can you bring Subba Rao again after one year? Here the name indicates the inner soul. Therefore, even in the worldly terminology the name indicates both the external body and inner soul according to the context.

Therefore, when you say that Jesus was crucified and killed, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Jesus will come again on final day of destruction of this world, the name indicates the inner Lord. Thus, the same name indicates the external or internal item according to the context. When you say that Krishna danced in Brundavanam, the name indicates the external human body. When you say that Krishna will come again and again whenever necessary, the name indicates the inner Lord. If you realise this discrimination, you have no quarrel with any religion. When you say that Jesus or Krishna will come again, it means that the inner Lord is going to come in different human bodies again.

When you are drawing the picture of Jesus or Krishna, the picture represents the external human body only and not the inner Lord. You can never draw the picture of the inner Lord because He is beyond the realm of imagination. You cannot say about the existence of two unimaginable Lords. When the Lord is unimaginable, He can be only one. If you say that there are two entities, it means that both the entities are imaginable. Therefore, you have to accept that there is only one unimaginable Lord or God. The external human bodies are different and cannot be one. When I say that Krishna is Jesus, it means that the Lord in the body of Krishna and in the body of Jesus is one and the same. It does not mean that the two different bodies are one and the same.

One problem with the drivel that you attempt to propagate as truth. Jesus was the "CHRIST"......having only occupied ONE BODY, with that one body being "...the image of the invisible God." -- Col. 1:15. The Christ has not occupied many bodies nor does he profess to have occupied many bodies, as He professed to be "I Am" (eternal) -- John 8:58
Jesus CREATED THE WORLDS -- John 1:3, Col. 1:15-17....God created the world through Jesus -- Hebrews 1:2

God...is not a man -- Numbers 23:19, Gods ways and mans ways are different -- Isaiah 55:8-9

Thus you are attempting to Compare Jesus and Christianity with Eastern Religion and reincarnation..a continual cycle of birth and rebirth. As far removed from the teachings of Jesus as is the night from the day. The Holy Scriptures teach that man's life is limited and can never be repeated -- Job: 14:5-2. With the disciples of Jesus teaching through divine guidance that man only dies ONCE -- Hebrews: 9:27.

Your faith attempts to teach that everything that happens to a man in his life...good or bad, is just the consequence of his conduct in a former life....aka KARMA. Whereas the Bible teaches that free will and natural happenstance direct the life of men....good things happen to bad people....bad things happen to good people because of these circumstances of CHOICE or acts of nature -- Eccl. 9:11. Even when one does right, this very act of righteousness is likely to bring about hardship and persecution -- Mark 5:10-12 as described by the Christ Himself in His direct teachings.

It is only AFTER this PHYSICAL LIFE if over that we face the consequences of our deeds of choice -- 2 Cor. 5:10

Your supposed faith has as it goal....an ultimate escape form the continuing cycle of reincarnation...to cease being a physical man while being consumed or absorbed into an impersonal God...such as Brahman..etc.

The Bible teaches that the very existence and reason of mankind is to serve God...not Himself on some quest of becoming apart of God. -- Eccl. 12:13-14. Thus, we the Christian serving the will of Jesus by a demonstration of love made by following His commandments -- John 14:15, are not seeking NON-EXISTENCE, but rather an eternal existence in Heaven in fellowship with God...in service and worship thereof. -- 1 Thess. 4:17-18, 5:9-10.

We do not do as much by simple MEDITATION or Yoga...in an attempt make people realize they themselves are apart of the divine NATURE of some impersonal NATURAL GOD....we do not seek to find GOD within ourselves...by USELESS and SENSELESS repetition of a show case prayer...like a peacock presenting its feathers. The Bible teaches that such a demonstration is WRONG and POMPOUS. -- Matthew 6:7, as declared by the Christ Himself done to draw the attention of MAN to oneself.

The Bible teaches us that ALL MEN suffer and die...even, "...the image of the invisible God", suffered and died for OUR SINS, so that we would not have to suffer past this vale of tears that we call life...in eternity. -- 1 Peter 3:18. Even when one of Jesus' closest disciples, PETER, objected to Jesus about speaking of the suffering that He knew was to shortly come.......Jesus called him Satan (Matthew 16:21-23), thus, Suffering is a part to the life of all men, it cannot be avoided, but accepted as being physical man...who was born to die, as all things physical are created with only a certain limited number of days......at the sole direction of the God of Creation, not man. Even the universe as been proven NON ETERNAL...but expiring, winding down....or dying. It is not eternal as presented in the lie that you are attempting to propagate. Thus, your teachings cannot stand the test of Physical Science as can the teachings of the Holy Scriptures.

The Bible informs us that WE as men have NO METHOD (LIKE MEDITATION, OR TM) outside of JESUS in which we can save ourselves -- Jer. 10:23

Thus when we do MEDITATE...such meditation should be placed to good use...by studying in the Word of God ( 2 Tim. 2:15-16)...not doing some mindless repetitive prayer of BABBLE. As demonstrated in Ps. -- 1:1-2

 

[The Illusion]

The first creation that came from God is space or inert energy. Akasa (space) and Tejas (inert energy) are one and the same because space is a form of inert energy only. Matter, work, light, heat, sound, electricity, magnetism and awareness are also other forms of inert energy. Our imagination cannot cross the limits of space. The link or process of production between God and space is also unimaginable like God. This link is beyond space and God is beyond this link. The space is called as Mahat. The link is called as Avyaktam which means unimaginable. The Parabrahman is mentioned as purusha. The Veda says that Avyaktam is beyond space and purusha is beyond Avyaktam (Mahatah paramavyaktam avyaktat purushah parah).

God is first. Space is second. Air is third. We can explain the generation of third from second, but not the second from first. Second and third are imaginable items. Space or energy became air. Air means atoms. This is energy condensing into matter. This process of condensation is explicable and debatable. This process is parinama or vivarta. If matter is different from energy only by quantitative way it is vivarta like water condensed to ice. Vivarta brings only physical difference. The parinama is qualitative difference like milk becoming curd. Before the creation of matter, only energy exists. If energy is condensed, it should be vivarta process only, which is physical. But if all the mater is energy only, how the qualitative difference came between items of matter? There cannot be qualitative difference between blocks of ice having various sizes. One block of ice may be more concentrated (or condensed) but it cannot bring a qualitative difference. But the qualitative difference between the milk and curd is practically experienced in the world. Milk and curd are also condensed products of same energy and may have quantitative difference. Thus this point of contradiction brings the unimaginability, which is the characteristic of God. Therefore, the presence of the unimaginable power of God (Maya) is everywhere in the world. The Gita says that this Prakruti is also Maya (Mayam tu prakrutim). Thus the entire world is affected by the hidden power of God (Maya), which is known by deep analysis.

When the energy and work are essentially same, the different quantities of energy-drops (electrons) giving rise to different properties mean different works of God giving rise to different properties. Here the wonder is that the working material and work are one and the same in essence. Therefore, the unimaginable God does wonderful works and His work it self is the working material. The work is power of God, which it self is the working material. All this creation is work without any separate working material because the working material itself is a form of work. According to science also, any material (matter) is a form of energy and work is also a form of the same energy. Thus, this wonder exists in science, which says that matter is a condensed form energy. For the process of condensation, space is required and the space should be different from energy for the process of condensation to take place. But space is a form of energy as per the special theory of relativity. In such case, how the energy is condensed? Because, space is also energy. This is another wonder. Like this, when this nature (Prakruti) is analyzed, it is a wonder (Maya) only as said in Gita (Mayam tu..).

Thus, Maya becomes the inner substratum of the world. God is the substratum of Maya (Mayinam tu…Gita). Thus, God is the final substratum of this world. The generation of matter on condensation of energy and the transformation of matter in to energy by dilution are wonders in the context of space being the energy. Thus, the generation, maintenance on substratum and dissolution are works of Maya, which mean wonders of God. Such wonder is for souls only and is well known to God and therefore it is not a wonder to God. Thus, Maya is a logic or science for God, just like the nature is a logical science to the souls. It is only higher logic or super science of God which is above the level of souls.

TWO WAYS OF VIEWING REALITY

By G. de Purucker

[From WIND OF THE SPIRIT, pages 199-201.]

The Real, the Reality, Sat, or more accurately Asat, Tat, is that
which IS during cosmic Mahapralaya; and all the manifested
universes are dreamed forth when Brahman falls asleep during what
we call Manvantara.

Note that just here there is a divergence not of knowledge, but
of expression, even among the occultists themselves. The more
common way in ancient times was to speak -- and I will now use
the Hindu terms -- of Brahman awaking, becoming both Brahma and
the manifested universe with all in it. In other words, Brahman
awakes when Manvantara begins, and falls asleep when Pralaya
comes.

This is quite correct if you want to look at it from this
standpoint. I might add, was a familiar notion to Greek and
Latin philosophic thought, as in the statement attributed to the
Stoic philosopher Cleanthes that has been rendered into Latin,
although he was a Greek, in the following words, "Whatsoever thou
mayest hear, whatsoever thou mayest see, is Jupiter." This is a
thought very familiar in ancient Hindustan where Brahma is said
to evolve forth the universe from itself, in other words, that
Brahma is the universe and yet transcendent to it: the universe
and all of it, and yet transcendent! This reminds one of Krishna
in the Bhagavad-Gita: "I establish all this universe from a
portion of myself, and yet remain transcendent."

But the other manner of viewing this matter and equally correct
-- and I will frankly say that sometimes as I ponder the matter,
perhaps more spiritual, perhaps more correct than the former, but
more difficult of understanding by us men -- is to think that
Brahman awakes when Mahapralaya begins; for then Reality, so to
speak, recommences its flow of lives.

The phenomenal universes have been swept out of their existences
until the next Manvantara and disappear like autumn leaves when
the autumn ends and winter begins. Driven along, as it were, by
the winds of Pralaya, all manifested life is swept out of
existence AS MANIFESTED LIFE. Everything that is real is
withdrawn inwards and upwards to its parent Reality, and then
divinity is in its own. This is Paranirvana. It is then awake
and dreams no more until the next Manvantara.

Those in ancient times who grasped this other manner of viewing,
of making Reality come into its own when manifested or phenomenal
things pass away into Pralaya, have stated the matter after
various tropes or figures of speech, the favorite one, however,
being this: all the manifested worlds are but the dreams of
Brahman. Brahman sleeps and dreams karmic dreams, dreams brought
about by karma. These dreams are the worlds of manifestation and
all that is in them. When the dreams end and the universes
vanish, then Brahman awakes. It is coming into itself once more.

I think both views are correct. Yet I have often wondered in my
own mind whether the second way of viewing it be not somewhat
loftier, closer to the ineffable truth than is the more popular
way because more easily understood. We have analogies in our own
lives. When we awaken in the morning, we go about our daily
duties, we do them, and they are karmic. But it is when we fall
asleep at night and the things of physical matter and the lower
mental plane vanish away, that we come closer to the divinity
within us. We rise upwards, closer to the god within us, towards
the abstract and away from the concrete.

I think the second view, though perhaps no more true than the
first way of viewing -- I think perhaps the second way of viewing
the matter, makes what they call Mahamaya, cosmic Maya, somewhat
more understandable by us men.

At the end of Brahma's life, even the Days and Nights of Brahma
pass away into the utterly Real, into the Reality at the heart of
the Real. When all is swept out and away or indrawn and
withdrawn upwards: I wonder if in this last thought we do not
have as it were, a striking confirmation of the statement that
perhaps the second way of viewing Brahma awake and Brahma asleep
is not the more real. For at the end of Brahma's life, when
Brahma rebecomes Brahman, not only do all manifested things pass
out of existence as so much dissolving mist, but even Cosmic
Mahat is indrawn or vanishes. Maha-Buddhi disappears and naught
remains but Brahman.

For an infinity, as it would seem to us men, hundreds of
trillions of years, Brahma is awake, itself, no longer dreaming
dreams of karmic universes, but as we are forced to express it,
sunken in Reality in the inexpressible deeps of Brahman's own
essence. All has vanished except Brahman; the dreams are ended.

Then when the new life, when Brahma rather, embodies itself
again, then the galaxy reawakens, but Brahman begins again to
dream, dreaming the worlds, dreaming the universes into
existence, dreaming the karmic dreams of destiny. Then the One
becomes the Many. The armies, the hosts, the multitudes, begin
to issue forth from the consciousness of the ineffable. Abstract
space is once more filled with suns, solar systems, and whirling
worlds.

We see therefore that Brahman and Brahma, the offspring of
Brahman, may have reference not merely to a planetary chain, but
to a solar system or to a galaxy, and on a still more magnificent
scale to a super-galaxy including many galaxies in the womb of
endless space. In other words, Brahman and its offspring Brahma,
may apply to any one or to all of these different ranges on an
increasing scale of grandeur. Brahman dreams karmic dreams of
destiny and the universes flash into being; they appear like
seeds of life or the spawn of Mother Space, and this we call
Manvantara or Maha-Manvantara. Conversely, when Brahman's
dreaming ends, the worlds are swept out of existence and Brahman
awakens as Brahman's Self.

Let us also remember as a final thought, that when we speak of
frontierless infinitude, or of the beginningless and endless or
boundless, we call this Tat, from the Sanskrit word meaning THAT;
and that innumerable Brahmans greater and smaller, in countless
numbers, are comprised within the boundless Tat.

******************************************

You stated, "Before the creation of matter, only energy exists." Therefore, energy must come before God because God is energy and in order for God to be created, energy had to exist.

Jamie

 

[Avatar4321]

You stated, "Before the creation of matter, only energy exists." Therefore, energy must come before God because God is energy and in order for God to be created, energy had to exist.

Jamie

Of course, that is presuming that both matter and energy are not eternal in nature having no beginning or end.

 

[Ralph]

TWO WAYS OF VIEWING REALITY

By G. de Purucker

[From WIND OF THE SPIRIT, pages 199-201.]

The Real, the Reality, Sat, or more accurately Asat, Tat, is that
which IS during cosmic Mahapralaya; and all the manifested
universes are dreamed forth when Brahman falls asleep during what
we call Manvantara.

Note that just here there is a divergence not of knowledge, but
of expression, even among the occultists themselves. The more
common way in ancient times was to speak -- and I will now use
the Hindu terms -- of Brahman awaking, becoming both Brahma and
the manifested universe with all in it. In other words, Brahman
awakes when Manvantara begins, and falls asleep when Pralaya
comes.

This is quite correct if you want to look at it from this
standpoint. I might add, was a familiar notion to Greek and
Latin philosophic thought, as in the statement attributed to the
Stoic philosopher Cleanthes that has been rendered into Latin,
although he was a Greek, in the following words, "Whatsoever thou
mayest hear, whatsoever thou mayest see, is Jupiter." This is a
thought very familiar in ancient Hindustan where Brahma is said
to evolve forth the universe from itself, in other words, that
Brahma is the universe and yet transcendent to it: the universe
and all of it, and yet transcendent! This reminds one of Krishna
in the Bhagavad-Gita: "I establish all this universe from a
portion of myself, and yet remain transcendent."

But the other manner of viewing this matter and equally correct
-- and I will frankly say that sometimes as I ponder the matter,
perhaps more spiritual, perhaps more correct than the former, but
more difficult of understanding by us men -- is to think that
Brahman awakes when Mahapralaya begins; for then Reality, so to
speak, recommences its flow of lives.

The phenomenal universes have been swept out of their existences
until the next Manvantara and disappear like autumn leaves when
the autumn ends and winter begins. Driven along, as it were, by
the winds of Pralaya, all manifested life is swept out of
existence AS MANIFESTED LIFE. Everything that is real is
withdrawn inwards and upwards to its parent Reality, and then
divinity is in its own. This is Paranirvana. It is then awake
and dreams no more until the next Manvantara.

Those in ancient times who grasped this other manner of viewing,
of making Reality come into its own when manifested or phenomenal
things pass away into Pralaya, have stated the matter after
various tropes or figures of speech, the favorite one, however,
being this: all the manifested worlds are but the dreams of
Brahman. Brahman sleeps and dreams karmic dreams, dreams brought
about by karma. These dreams are the worlds of manifestation and
all that is in them. When the dreams end and the universes
vanish, then Brahman awakes. It is coming into itself once more.

I think both views are correct. Yet I have often wondered in my
own mind whether the second way of viewing it be not somewhat
loftier, closer to the ineffable truth than is the more popular
way because more easily understood. We have analogies in our own
lives. When we awaken in the morning, we go about our daily
duties, we do them, and they are karmic. But it is when we fall
asleep at night and the things of physical matter and the lower
mental plane vanish away, that we come closer to the divinity
within us. We rise upwards, closer to the god within us, towards
the abstract and away from the concrete.

I think the second view, though perhaps no more true than the
first way of viewing -- I think perhaps the second way of viewing
the matter, makes what they call Mahamaya, cosmic Maya, somewhat
more understandable by us men.

At the end of Brahma's life, even the Days and Nights of Brahma
pass away into the utterly Real, into the Reality at the heart of
the Real. When all is swept out and away or indrawn and
withdrawn upwards: I wonder if in this last thought we do not
have as it were, a striking confirmation of the statement that
perhaps the second way of viewing Brahma awake and Brahma asleep
is not the more real. For at the end of Brahma's life, when
Brahma rebecomes Brahman, not only do all manifested things pass
out of existence as so much dissolving mist, but even Cosmic
Mahat is indrawn or vanishes. Maha-Buddhi disappears and naught
remains but Brahman.

For an infinity, as it would seem to us men, hundreds of
trillions of years, Brahma is awake, itself, no longer dreaming
dreams of karmic universes, but as we are forced to express it,
sunken in Reality in the inexpressible deeps of Brahman's own
essence. All has vanished except Brahman; the dreams are ended.

Then when the new life, when Brahma rather, embodies itself
again, then the galaxy reawakens, but Brahman begins again to
dream, dreaming the worlds, dreaming the universes into
existence, dreaming the karmic dreams of destiny. Then the One
becomes the Many. The armies, the hosts, the multitudes, begin
to issue forth from the consciousness of the ineffable. Abstract
space is once more filled with suns, solar systems, and whirling
worlds.

We see therefore that Brahman and Brahma, the offspring of
Brahman, may have reference not merely to a planetary chain, but
to a solar system or to a galaxy, and on a still more magnificent
scale to a super-galaxy including many galaxies in the womb of
endless space. In other words, Brahman and its offspring Brahma,
may apply to any one or to all of these different ranges on an
increasing scale of grandeur. Brahman dreams karmic dreams of
destiny and the universes flash into being; they appear like
seeds of life or the spawn of Mother Space, and this we call
Manvantara or Maha-Manvantara. Conversely, when Brahman's
dreaming ends, the worlds are swept out of existence and Brahman
awakens as Brahman's Self.

Let us also remember as a final thought, that when we speak of
frontierless infinitude, or of the beginningless and endless or
boundless, we call this Tat, from the Sanskrit word meaning THAT;
and that innumerable Brahmans greater and smaller, in countless
numbers, are comprised within the boundless Tat.

******************************************

You stated, "Before the creation of matter, only energy exists." Therefore, energy must come before God because God is energy and in order for God to be created, energy had to exist.

Jamie

God was never created....God is a Spirit ( John 4:24), He is not physical. Only the physical requires a "CAUSE". Even energy is physical and can be measured. Simply present a way to measure...GOD. The Physical has no method to measure the Spiritual might less offer Subjective explanations about the CREATION of GOD.

God is an eternally existing being ( Genesis 21:33, Deut. 33:27). God cannot even be comprehended in His entirety by physical man ( Ps. 8:22-26, Ps. 93:1-2, 90:2, Isaiah 57:15).

God has given mankind just a small grasp or understanding of eternity...but that does not mean that we fully comprehend or understand everything about God. "He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their (man's heart) heart, EXCEPT NO ONE can find out the work that God does from beginning to end." -- Eccl. 3:11

Thus, we know only as much about God, as God wishes to reveal about His divine nature, everything else is secret....BUT WHAT IS REVEALED about Himself in His Word belongs to us and our Children...fore ever, that we might do the works of the Laws that God has established. -- Deut. 29:29.

When someone faces or attempts to understand the incomprehenisble....we do so by applying only what we can OBSERVE as we are limited by our very physical nature...but God is OMNIPRESENT. As the Scriptures tell us in His revelation that WE EXIST and have our very being.....IN HIM -- Acts 17:28. Thus He can observe everything physical...but the physical cannot observe Him. No one can see the entirety of all that is physical....but GOD.

What we do know about God, is measured by the product of what He has created.....we can observe His handi-work in nature itself. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen.....being understood by the things that are made......" -- Romans 1:20. But...All of Gods works cannot be recorded or even counted....such as the STARS -- Ps. 40:5

 

[vincubus]

i appreciate the time you spent on your post. however, you contradicted yourself and the laws of physics, which should be created by a god. should that god citcumvent his own laws, he isn't a god to worship, as he could not be trusted.

thanks for your information.

 

[dattaswami]

God was never created....God is a Spirit ( John 4:24), He is not physical. Only the physical requires a "CAUSE". Even energy is physical and can be measured. Simply present a way to measure...GOD. The Physical has no method to measure the Spiritual might less offer Subjective explanations about the CREATION of GOD.

God is an eternally existing being ( Genesis 21:33, Deut. 33:27). God cannot even be comprehended in His entirety by physical man ( Ps. 8:22-26, Ps. 93:1-2, 90:2, Isaiah 57:15).

God has given mankind just a small grasp or understanding of eternity...but that does not mean that we fully comprehend or understand everything about God. "He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also He has put eternity in their (man's heart) heart, EXCEPT NO ONE can find out the work that God does from beginning to end." -- Eccl. 3:11

Thus, we know only as much about God, as God wishes to reveal about His divine nature, everything else is secret....BUT WHAT IS REVEALED about Himself in His Word belongs to us and our Children...fore ever, that we might do the works of the Laws that God has established. -- Deut. 29:29.

When someone faces or attempts to understand the incomprehenisble....we do so by applying only what we can OBSERVE as we are limited by our very physical nature...but God is OMNIPRESENT. As the Scriptures tell us in His revelation that WE EXIST and have our very being.....IN HIM -- Acts 17:28. Thus He can observe everything physical...but the physical cannot observe Him. No one can see the entirety of all that is physical....but GOD.

What we do know about God, is measured by the product of what He has created.....we can observe His handi-work in nature itself. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen.....being understood by the things that are made......" -- Romans 1:20. But...All of Gods works cannot be recorded or even counted....such as the STARS -- Ps. 40:5

God has no beginning and no end because God is unimaginable. The beginning and the end must be also unimaginable for an unimaginable item. The beginning and the end of the cosmic energy or space or the creation are also unimaginable. Therefore, the beginning and the end are unimaginable for the unimaginable item like God and also for the imaginable item like space. Therefore, the two points, which are the beginning-less and end-less characteristics cannot help you in understanding the real nature of God. If you start recognizing the God by simply these two points (beginning-less and end-less), you may think that God is an imaginable item like the space or energy or the creation. In fact based on these two characteristics people have imagined God as an imaginable item like space or energy or creation. This concept has misled people to such a low level that people think that God is the very infinite space or infinite energy or infinite creation. Therefore, one should filter the concept of God at this juncture itself. One should think that God has no beginning and no end because the beginning and the end of an unimaginable item are also unimaginable.

Such God desired to create this Universe for entertainment. The very desire itself is the Creation. In view of God this present materialized universe in only an idea or imagination or the very desire itself. Therefore, the desire to create the world is itself the desire and also the created world itself is a desire. Thus the creation, maintenance and dissolution of the imaginary world are also imaginations or desires. A part of this infinite creation is the individual soul. The soul is like a drop of the infinite ocean of imagination or desire of God. Thus, quantitatively the entire ocean of imagination of God is very huge compared to the tiny soul. Remember that both the Universe and the tiny soul are made of the same substance called as imagination or desire. Thus the force of the Universe is far greater than the force of the soul. Due to such huge quantitative difference of the same phase, the Universe, which is far stronger than the soul appears as a materialized entity for the soul. But this infinite ocean of desire, which is the infinite Universe is a tiny drop compared to the infinite force of God. Therefore, again due to the same quantitative difference of force the entire universe is just the very weak imagination from the view of God. Thus imagination and materialization exist simultaneously true from the point of God and soul.

 

[Ralph]

i appreciate the time you spent on your post. however, you contradicted yourself and the laws of physics, which should be created by a god. should that god citcumvent his own laws, he isn't a god to worship, as he could not be trusted.

thanks for your information.

Please demonstrate how the LAWS of PHYSICS are contradicted by an eternally existing.......SPIRIT. The Laws of Physics cannot even define their own origin, might less attempt to define or measure a CAUSE to their own existence that is both external and superior to that existence. That which is SUPERNATURAL is indeed called SUPERNATURAL for a reason...no? That reason is the fact of the Supernatural being beyond the capacity of the NATURAL to measure or comprehend. If the origin of the Universe is NATURAL and can be explained and measured by that which is NATURAL or PHYSICAL.......PROCEED, enlighten us, explain in detail by the Scientific Method (observed, repeatable, experimentation concluded in empirical evidence) just what CAUSED the cosmic egg....or mass/energy that pre-existed the supposed Big Bang. No SUBJECTIVE philosophical theory dressed as science...but OBJECTIVE empirical prof....REAL, PHYSICAL SCIENCE.

It becomes tiresome when someone CLAIMS to have the knowledge of the truth by simply presenting some form of rhetorical and SUBJECTIVE OPINION based upon nothing but...Philosophy. Show me the money.....explain in empirical detail, how that cosmic egg of energy was birthed or caused. I especially enjoyed YOUR OPINION suggesting that God....who is the creator of the Physical cannot be trusted because He reserves the right to interact with that which he created. That is paramount to claiming that if....'I', constructed a house...and possessed the keys to the entrance thereof, I could not be trusted because I might choose to use those keys and enter...MY OWN HOUSE when and If I wished. What you are failing to address is the fact that God....created (supernaturally) and then commanded procreation (via the natural) -- Genesis 1. The only time the supernatural occurs thereafter is when God affirms his LAW by signs and wonders. There is not one instance in the Holy Scriptures where the supernatural is demonstrated for personal, physical wants or needs....it is always submitted for CONFORMATION of the WORD, as coming from GOD, the Almighty. God has no respect of person....NO person is authorized, or has lot nor part in the Supernatural..that is the realm of God as declared in scripture (Acts 8:20-21).....with this same Apostle declaring the Power of God which was being demonstrated was not HIS TO CONTROL but, rather Gods (Acts 4:8-10)

 

[editec]

Jesus is coming again?

Given how he was treated last time he visited this place, you'd think he'd change his vacation plans.

Some Godheads never learn, I guess.