MD Governor..(D) Union Cuts

[Wicked Jester]

And yes, when dealing with unions, there are only so many places you can go when talking about compromise. Only so many places you can go when taliking about cutting costs. Pay, benefits and pensions.....Are you trying to say that this isn't what the MD governor has in mind?......Damn right that's what he has in mind.

Cut cost? Sure. That's pretty clear.

My question was were in the article did it mention union busting in the same manner as Gov. Walker.

Didn't see it in the article.



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Ya' know, "union busting" is a catchy phrase...but it means nothing if the union wasn't busted. Nor if no attempt was made to bust the union.....Man, the unions surely do have people mesmerized with false propoganda BS.

Of course "UNION BUSTING" wasn't mentioned in the article. Like Walker, O'malley won't be trying to bust the union. Just bring 'em back down to earth where they belong....Do you actually think any gov, rep or dem are going to come out and say i'm going to bust the union. Particularly if their goal is not to actually bust the union?

O'malley knows what needs to be done. And i'm quite sure he's going to have to fall on his proverbial sword to get it done.

 

[WorldWatcher]

And yes, when dealing with unions, there are only so many places you can go when talking about compromise. Only so many places you can go when taliking about cutting costs. Pay, benefits and pensions.....Are you trying to say that this isn't what the MD governor has in mind?......Damn right that's what he has in mind.

Cut cost? Sure. That's pretty clear.

My question was were in the article did it mention union busting in the same manner as Gov. Walker.

Didn't see it in the article.



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Ya' know, "union busting" is a catchy phrase...but it means nothing if the union wasn't busted. Nor if no attempt was made to bust the union.....Man, the unions surely do have people mesmerized with false propoganda BS.

Of course "UNION BUSTING" wasn't mentioned in the article. Like Walker, O'malley won't be trying to bust the union. Just bring 'em back down to earth where they belong....Do you actually think any gov, rep or dem are going to come out and say i'm going to bust the union. Particularly if their goal is not to actually bust the union?

O'malley knows what needs to be done. And i'm quite sure he's going to have to fall on his proverbial sword to get it done.

WI, removed all collective bargaining except for wages, then limited the ability to negotiate for wages with the employer after the unions had already conceded benefit and pension concessions.

If you don't recognize it for what it was, then there are two possibilities: you're are being purposely dishonest, or you just don't see it. In either case I don't see how I can help you.

Is there anything else?



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[Wicked Jester]

Cut cost? Sure. That's pretty clear.

My question was were in the article did it mention union busting in the same manner as Gov. Walker.

Didn't see it in the article.



>>>>>

Ya' know, "union busting" is a catchy phrase...but it means nothing if the union wasn't busted. Nor if no attempt was made to bust the union.....Man, the unions surely do have people mesmerized with false propoganda BS.

Of course "UNION BUSTING" wasn't mentioned in the article. Like Walker, O'malley won't be trying to bust the union. Just bring 'em back down to earth where they belong....Do you actually think any gov, rep or dem are going to come out and say i'm going to bust the union. Particularly if their goal is not to actually bust the union?

O'malley knows what needs to be done. And i'm quite sure he's going to have to fall on his proverbial sword to get it done.

WI, removed all collective bargaining except for wages, then limited the ability to negotiate for wages with the employer after the unions had already conceded benefit and pension concessions.

If you don't recognize it for what it was, then there are two possibilities: you're are being purposely dishonest, or you just don't see it. In either case I don't see how I can help you.

Is there anything else?



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So, I still don't see proof of that "union busting" claim. Or of some "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!"

Walker, like many more governors are going to have to do, did the right thing. Without busting the union......It's time to bring these unions, and their unsustainable packages back down to earth.......It's time for the employees to start contributing more to their own goodies.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So, I still don't see proof of that "union busting" claim. Or of some "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY!"

Walker, like many more governors are going to have to do, did the right thing. Without busting the union...

Well I guess that tells me which reason.

...It's time to bring these unions, and their unsustainable packages back down to earth.......It's time for the employees to start contributing more to their own goodies.

Actually I agree, there is a problem and it has two sides. Unions have negotiated deferred compensation packages and politicians have refused to fund those packages pushing cost into future years and in some cases have accessed retirement funds as part of the operating budget instead of "walling it off".

Personally I'd like to see the long term transition from deferred compensation plans (sometimes called defined benefit plans) to individual contribution plans which are more portable in today's mobile society. In addition the funds for future retirement would be in an account owned by the individual and not available to the politicians to raid. In Virginia contributions are made into VRS and the State Constitution (Article X Section 11) requires that the retirement trust shall be separate and independent of other State funds and administered solely in the interest of members and beneficiaries. While I think that there should be a transition to defined contribution plans, there is (and should be) a commitment to honoring prior commitments to those that have worked a large number of years under certain promises.

Personally I'll be able to retire at about 67 after 25 years with 40% of base salary from VRA which is projected to be $24,000 a year. That won't be our only source of income though because both my wife and I work and both contribute to 403b (government employee equivalent of a 401K) now and will ramp that up more once the kids are out of college.



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[WorldWatcher]

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G'night all.


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[hipeter924]

Keep believing a system where government is just for the money and you get just for the money, if you had a voluntary government where private citizens give a moment of their time to help and have a job on the side this wouldn't be a problem.

The government budget would shrink by at least 60% if serving in government was a voluntary/patriotic duty, the money being spent on essential things to do with the jobs involved and materials, it wouldn't be any less 'educated' either, in fact intellectuals from all those universities that want a go but get bared by government bureaucrats will get a chance to make the economy and society work better, and retired people could put their time into something other than fishing, hunting, sewing and complaining about how the country is going down the toilet, and put their ideas into action.

PS: But saying that there will always be specialist jobs, just the money will be there to pay for them.

 

[Wicked Jester]

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G'night all.


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[Lumpy 1]

any more on this?