McGreevy Gay.....

[nakedemperor]

Why do all of you have a problem with gay people? As a member of the homosexual community, I gotta say I'm deeply affended by the level of intolerance and biggotry by citizens of a country built on racial and cultural diversity, and especially on equality.

Come on guys, live and let live.

 

[Moi]

Why do all of you have a problem with gay people? As a member of the homosexual community, I gotta say I'm deeply affended by the level of intolerance and biggotry by citizens of a country built on racial and cultural diversity, and especially on equality.

Come on guys, live and let live.

It's certainly not bigoted to believe that homosexuality is abnormal and immoral. There are laws all around the world affecting marriage...that doesn't make those who support them bigoted.

 

[OCA]

Why do all of you have a problem with gay people? As a member of the homosexual community, I gotta say I'm deeply affended by the level of intolerance and biggotry by citizens of a country built on racial and cultural diversity, and especially on equality.

Come on guys, live and let live.

Live and let live? What the fuck? Should we also say this to crack addicts, pedophiles and heroin users? We say its wrong behavior in these 3 cases and so in something that is in every way, shape and form wrong and a perversion we should live and let live? Your wrong, your lifestyle choice was wrong and furthermore your charade of indignance is blown off because deep down you know what you're doing is wrong. To compare yourself to racial and cultural diversity is an insult to all the people who could not change who they were and did not have a choice unlike you, and now you want special rights? You have every inalienable right as a citizen of America that I do, accept the fact that America is not going to give special rights to a chosen perversion and move on.

 

[William Joyce]

As Pat Buchanan said, "the love that dare not speak its name... now won't shut up."

Allow me:

SHUT UP.

I live in NYC, where on New York 1, the cable channel, I'm watching all these NYC libs and gay politicos weigh in, going on about what a "brave man" and blah blah blah McGreevey is. Please. Announcing to the world that you're a sexual deviant isn't "brave." Fighting for your country is brave. Rushing into a burning building is brave. Facing daily anonymous life as a normal, law-abiding, tax-paying citizen with no grievance-group qualification like homosexuality is brave.

Declare you're a Hershey Trail Hiker and the media, the government, the law and all the Powers That Be rush in to tell you how wonderful you are. Declare you're going to marry someone of the opposite sex and have children, and the same Powers tell you how boring and racist and intolerant you are.

Maybe homosexuality happens, maybe it's genetic. But McGreevey knows exactly what he's doing. He's covering up his incredible string of fuckups with a "plea for tolerance." He knows that Big Media will portray him sympathetically. He knows that Rosie gots his back. He knows he's surrounded himself with the impenetrable (so to speak) barrier of "diversity." Dog him now, and you're "intolerant." Only "homophonbes" would dare criticize him in his hour of need.

Fuck all that. That sorry piece of shit needs to pull up his pants, pull the dick out of his mouth and get off the stage, pronto.

 

[OCA]

Maybe because he was getting a pole in the behind, he was afraid getting behind in the polls?

HAHAHAHAHAHA! That was brilliant, absolutely fucking brilliant! ROTFLMFAO!

 

[nakedemperor]

Live and let live? What the fuck? Should we also say this to crack addicts, pedophiles and heroin users? We say its wrong behavior in these 3 cases and so in something that is in every way, shape and form wrong and a perversion we should live and let live? Your wrong, your lifestyle choice was wrong and furthermore your charade of indignance is blown off because deep down you know what you're doing is wrong. To compare yourself to racial and cultural diversity is an insult to all the people who could not change who they were and did not have a choice unlike you, and now you want special rights? You have every inalienable right as a citizen of America that I do, accept the fact that America is not going to give special rights to a chosen perversion and move on.

First of all, my sexuality is not my choice, I was born this way. Second, my indignance is a charade? You are in NO way able to make that judgement. Just like black people, I CANNOT CHANGE WHO I AM. Whether by nature or nurture, whether genetically or by external environmental influences, I am what I am. And uh, why is getting married a special right? For many people, marriage is completely and utterly secular or spiritual, having nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion. If I get married I'm certainly not going to do it in a Church (I'm not a Christian), it is merely a spiritual symbol of affection and connection to my partner.

And lastly, I'm at a loss when people say homosexuality is "immoral". A book thousands of years old tells Christians that homosexuality is immoral, but offers not philisophical reason as to why. I respect that those are the Christian God's words, but I don't understand why the simple concept of a man being romantically in love with another man is frowned upon. It seems that just like many racial and cultural "abnormalities", its negativity stems from its inherently "not being the norm". But how many times has this time of thinking been discarded along the way? Blacks have equal mental capacity, which was once commonly (if not universally) accepted. Women have the constitution to make collected, smart political decisions, also once not commonly accepted. The list goes on and on. As the population becomes more and more enlightened, I hope and believe this type of acceptance becomes the norm for Gays.

And hehe no, I didn't come out on a message board =)

 

[OCA]

Can you show me where it has been definitively proven that people are born homosexual? Well of course you can't because it doesn't exist despite millions and millions of dollars poured into studies by the homosexual leadership to find one. One only needs a basic understanding of biology to realize homosexuality is 180 degrees the opposite of normal. But you know all this already and I assume you know right from wrong yet you still CHOOSE to engage in this vile and despicable lifestyle and act, interesting.

Results of Missouri vote on banning gay marriage

YES 71%
NO 29%

Thankfully most of the populace will not be bullied by a special interest group whose only goal is to legitimize their perversion du jour.

 

[Avatar4321]

First of all, my sexuality is not my choice, I was born this way. Second, my indignance is a charade? You are in NO way able to make that judgement. Just like black people, I CANNOT CHANGE WHO I AM. Whether by nature or nurture, whether genetically or by external environmental influences, I am what I am. And uh, why is getting married a special right? For many people, marriage is completely and utterly secular or spiritual, having nothing to do with Christianity or any other religion. If I get married I'm certainly not going to do it in a Church (I'm not a Christian), it is merely a spiritual symbol of affection and connection to my partner.

And lastly, I'm at a loss when people say homosexuality is "immoral". A book thousands of years old tells Christians that homosexuality is immoral, but offers not philisophical reason as to why. I respect that those are the Christian God's words, but I don't understand why the simple concept of a man being romantically in love with another man is frowned upon. It seems that just like many racial and cultural "abnormalities", its negativity stems from its inherently "not being the norm". But how many times has this time of thinking been discarded along the way? Blacks have equal mental capacity, which was once commonly (if not universally) accepted. Women have the constitution to make collected, smart political decisions, also once not commonly accepted. The list goes on and on. As the population becomes more and more enlightened, I hope and believe this type of acceptance becomes the norm for Gays.

And hehe no, I didn't come out on a message board =)

First, how sad your life must be without hope. To live with the idea that you cant change your life is to live without hope. We all have weaknesses. We all give into the weakness of natural tendencies from time to time. The hope we have lies in the fact that we can change. We arent programed to be a robot from the time of conception.

Second, Homosexuality is immoral because it mocks life. It mocks the creation process. You cant play with the powers of life and death and not get burned. its a fact of life.

Third, Intolerance is natural. according to your logic intolerant people cant change who they are. So why are you so intolerant of them?

Fourth, Gays arent prohibited from voting or making political decisions. that doesnt mean they get to force their political agenda on the rest of us. And just FYI Gays arent prohibited from marrying. after all Governor McGreevey is gay and he is married. But you have no right to change the deffinition of marriage to justify your immorality. Its like changing the deffinition of a square so a circle can be included. you change the deffinition of something and it changes the meaning of the entire institution.

 

[Moi]

As the population becomes more and more enlightened, I hope and believe this type of acceptance becomes the norm for Gays.

This is the true meaning and reason behind homosexual marriage...acceptance. I am against homosexual marriage and civil unions. Homosexuality should not be cavorted in front of others because it's abnormal.

There is still the majority rule in this country and it appears the majority of people are opposed to it too.

I hope it's put up for a vote from all citizens, not just a bunch of judges sitting on high.

There is no correlation to behaviors as there is to race or gender...no one can change their race or gender (unnatural surgery aside). People can control their behavior. That's kind of what sets us apart from animals. The fact that we don't have to act according to instinct or what we want to the detriment of society in general.

 

[nakedemperor]

Can you show me where it has been definitively proven that people are born homosexual? Well of course you can't because it doesn't exist despite millions and millions of dollars poured into studies by the homosexual leadership to find one. One only needs a basic understanding of biology to realize homosexuality is 180 degrees the opposite of normal. But you know all this already and I assume you know right from wrong yet you still CHOOSE to engage in this vile and despicable lifestyle and act, interesting.

OCA: more careful reading might be in order. I said:
"Whether by nature or nurture, whether genetically or by external environmental influences, I am what I am."

And to avatar: Why should I retain hope that I can change my natural predisposition to homosexuality? Should you retain hope that you can change your heterosexuality?

 

[popefumanchu]

I was always partial to just plain "homo." Makes me giggle.

Being against homosexuality doesn't mean you hate homosexuals. I am against rampant alcoholism, but I don't hate drunks. I have known and been good friends with quite a few drunks and homos, but I don't have to approve.

Continuing with that analogy, just because someone is born with a genetic predisposition to being an alcoholic, it doesn't mean they should be a drunk.

 

[popefumanchu]

OCA: more careful reading might be in order. I said:
"Whether by nature or nurture, whether genetically or by external environmental influences, I am what I am."

And to avatar: Why should I retain hope that I can change my natural predisposition to homosexuality? Should you retain hope that you can change your heterosexuality?

How about "I am what I choose to be"

I heard some sound bite today along the lines of
"At some point you have to take a hard look in the mirror and face the unique truth about yourself. Not what you want it to be, but what it is."

This is true. We have to face the ugly truth about ourselves at times. This does NOT mean we have to just say, "well, okay," and continue on.

One day I looked in the mirror and said, "You are a lazy, perverted dope fiend." Did that mean I should have just live my life smoking a joint, watching a porno, jerkin off, playing a video game and then going to the bar to get drunk and bed some skank. As much fun as that sounds, I realized that I wanted more than that in my life.

It is easier to be happy if you know that you chose to do the right thing.

 

[nakedemperor]

There is still the majority rule in this country and it appears the majority of people are opposed to it too.

I hope it's put up for a vote from all citizens, not just a bunch of judges sitting on high.

There is no correlation to behaviors as there is to race or gender...no one can change their race or gender (unnatural surgery aside). People can control their behavior. That's kind of what sets us apart from animals. The fact that we don't have to act according to instinct or what we want to the detriment of society in general.

Majority rule huh? Like the majority that voted for Al Gore? Put it up for a vote from all citizens, not just a bunch of judges sitting on high? What like the supreme court in the 200 elections. I LOVE this irony!!!

Ok, that being said, I accept the result of the 2000 election. Our system chose a president, he's our man. It just seemed a funny tidbit.

Also, analogies to alcoholism, etc. have been made as natural tendancies that should be squelched because they are socially and morally abhorrent. Agreed. However I disagree that homosexuality is a BAD thing that needs to be denied, even if it is part of one's intrinsic nature. Of course you can't argue with a Christian that homosexuality isn't immoral, because the bible says it is and anything in the bible is self-evidently true because it is necessarily the word of God. Can't really argue with that one. But I will address the objections to homosexuality as they stand...

1. Health Reasons: Homosexuals have a significantly higher rate of contracting HIV/AIDS. This is because many homosexuals have anal sex. The solution to this is exactly equivalent to preventing spread of STDs among heterosexuals: use protection and have your partner tested for diseases. This is a health-awareness issue, much as it is in Africa. Again, Catholicism (and other sects) of Christianity don't approve of contraception, but in this case, it's obviously not contraception. Moreover, not all homosexuals engage in anal sex. Self included.

2. Desanctification of marriage: Many argue that allowing homosexuals to marry desanctifies the institution of marriage. Well, for many people marriage is a spiritual, but not religious, institution. They marry not in the eyes of the Christian God, but in the eyes of love, devotion and companionship. Christian Gays trying to marry in a Church is obviously the Church's jurisdiction, so they can block Christian marriages for Gays, which I totally support, because that is their right. After all, God abhorres gays, in black and white, in the scriptures.

3. Unstable/unhealthy home life for children: In reference to this I have personal experience. Three gay couples (2 lesbian, 1 gay) live in my building in NYC and all three have children. According to them, the neighborhood is very tolerant, and to this I can attest. The children forego very little intolerance or discrimination, which I have read on this board is reason enough not to have the child. However, historically, blacks who bore children were either born into slavery or into extreme rascism, intolerance, and discrimination. Does anyone agree that black couples should have avoided having children merely on account of the intolerance of others? There are many places in this counrty where it is safe and healthy to raise children in a homosexual marriage.

4. Homosexuality is abnormal: I have read on this board that homosexuality is abnormal and immoral, implying that abnormality is a negative trait. Well, this hardly bears saying, but are people with red hair bad because they're abnormal?

So, those are my reasons for believing that homosexuality isn't a trait one should repress. It follows that if one should repress homosexuality, one shouldn't get married, lest they risk lying to their spouse about being in love with them (I don't think romantic love can exist without sexual attraction). Is this fair to ask of them? Is this equal rights? Someone said earlier that I shouldn't be intolerant of people who are intolerant of homosexuality. I agree that our nation was built on tolerance, but tolerating intolerance is taking it one step too far. Should we sit back and tolerate the degradation and inequality of women in some Islamic communities? Anyway, I don't ask that anyone, Christians specifically, AGREE with homosexuality. How could you? Your very faith says you can't. But I do ask that you be tolerant of those not within the folds of your faith when they do something that doesn't, in my opinion, harm you.

 

[Jackass]

Come on guys, live and let live.

EXACTLY!!


Now bring on the lesbians!! :teeth:

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Not to change the subject but I really suspect the timing of McGreevey's announcement. And he was altogether too cheery when making his announcement. Kind of a cocky in your face attitude. Gay-American indeed. How about us Angry-Americans? Also what is with the wife by the side? You'd think she would be spitting mad both for his unfaithfulness to their marriage and for putting the children through the mess. Seems like more fabricated stuff. Or maybe they're both bisexuals with extra marital partners? Maybe they're for polyamory marriage? In any case pretty sick.

You will notice that the liberal media totally downplayed today's announcement of the California court ruling against the gay marriages. This should have been huge news. For the gay lobby it had to be a major blow and I am sure they did not want it to get much media coverage.

Somehow I suspect that McGreevey's situation (which probably had to come out at some point) was timed just perfectly to become the headliner news that would be used to overshadow the bad California news. I would not even put it past the gay lobby to sacrifice one gay governor for their bigger goals. Maybe they cut a deal with McGreevy. Does that sound too conspiracy oriented?

 

[Avatar4321]

Not to change the subject but I really suspect the timing of McGreevey's announcement. And he was altogether too cheery when making his announcement. Kind of a cocky in your face attitude. Gay-American indeed. How about us Angry-Americans? Also what is with the wife by the side? You'd think she would be spitting mad both for his unfaithfulness to their marriage and for putting the children through the mess. Seems like more fabricated stuff. Or maybe they're both bisexuals with extra marital partners? Maybe they're for polyamory marriage? In any case pretty sick.

You will notice that the liberal media totally downplayed today's announcement of the California court ruling against the gay marriages. This should have been huge news. For the gay lobby it had to be a major blow and I am sure they did not want it to get much media coverage.

Somehow I suspect that McGreevey's situation (which probably had to come out at some point) was timed just perfectly to become the headliner news that would be used to overshadow the bad California news. I would not even put it past the gay lobby to sacrifice one gay governor for their bigger goals. Maybe they cut a deal with McGreevy. Does that sound too conspiracy oriented?

Normally id say yes but there is deffinately more to this story. Maybe they are having him resign because he is gay and then they are going to pretend there is public outcry to keep him in office and he will change his mind. make it look legitimate.... i doubt that will happen though. not if there actually is a sexual harassment suit against him.

 

[007]

OCA: more careful reading might be in order. I said:
"Whether by nature or nurture, whether genetically or by external environmental influences, I am what I am."

And to avatar: Why should I retain hope that I can change my natural predisposition to homosexuality? Should you retain hope that you can change your heterosexuality?

First of all "naked", and it appears you choose that name wisely... there is NOTHING NATURAL about being a fag. You say you were "born" that way. Then I ask you, if you had been born with your left hand hanging off your forhead, would you not have seeked help? If you had been born one leg a foot and half shorter than the other one, would you not have seeked help? And since you say you were born a queer, why haven't you seeked help for that? ALL are "BIRTH DEFECTS" in that essence.

Homosexuality is as wrong and against the very fabric of the universe, as a river flowing upstream. It's unatural, perverse, immoral, repulsive and sickening. I think fag's ask enough of people to just let them do what they want to do so long as they don't "stick it in our face". Then we got a real problem. Now you sick fucks want to take over something that belongs to US! MARRIAGE! Well FUCK THAT! Take your Civil Union and shut your JOHNSON SUCKING HOLE!

Spoken to all fags as a whole...

 

[ld_avid]

wow, it seems that people here give a lot of attention to marriage, why does your country have the highest divorce rate? is it the liberals?

 

[Moi]

wow, it seems that people here give a lot of attention to marriage, why does your country have the highest divorce rate? is it the liberals?

Frankly, yes. Liberal, in this case, meaning allowing anything and not necessarily Liberals. The more liberal we are with what we allow and stand for no standards on conduct, the more divorce (as well as a ton of other problems) arises.

Simply, we divorce because we can. It's easy, cheap and there is no stigma from it so why work at marriage? Why not just cut and run to the divorce laywers.

 

[Annie]

wow, it seems that people here give a lot of attention to marriage, why does your country have the highest divorce rate? is it the liberals?

Probably has to do with the highest marriage rate also, per 1000.