McDonalds Introduces Self Serving Kiosks in Response to Min Wage Increase

[AntonToo]

^Big Mac study was based on bad math and you are also further misrepresenting it.

A Big Mac miss by The Huffington Post

Nice try. Different study.

Study: Raising wages to $15 an hour for limited-service restaurant employees would raise prices 4.3 percent - Purdue University

Look I'm all for busting up conservative bullshit about minimum wage but it's not just $0.17 for Big Macs - no way, no how.

From your link:

The purpose of this paper was to examine the effect that higher wages and health-care benefits have on costs and prices in limited-service restaurants. In order to compensate for higher wages, prices would have to increase between 4% and 25% and/or product size would have to be scaled back between 12% and 70%.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The average McDonalds nets $156,000 on 2.6 million dollars in yearly sales. If they can't afford a wage increase out of the $156,000 how they hell are they going to purchase expensive automation equipment?

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Because it replaces some of the salaries they would have to pay, and the hourly operating costs even with maintenance figured in is much much less than a breathing employee?

Not only that but people think when an employer increases wages by two dollars an hour, it's just two dollars an hour they lost.

There are many more costs when an employer gives a raise that are not considered, especially if your city or state increases it from $8.00 an hour to $15.00 an hour.

When in reality they lost $2.30 dollars?

No. When an employer gives a rate increase, he also has to pay more to match their SS contributions, to match their Medicare contributions, it increases their unemployment and workman's compensation insurance since if there is a claim, they would have to pay out more because compensation is based on their wage.

Then there is vacation and holidays to consider since that's money you are being paid for not working. If you work for a company that pays into your retirement plan based on your gross pay (like my company) that's also an additional expense.

So whats the total /hour cost increase for $2/h raise?

P.S. vacations and holidays for minimum wage workers? Really?

It varies by state. For instance in our state, my employer is paying over 50K a year just for workman's compensation insurance, and we have less than a dozen employees and no major claims. When he gives out raises, that insurance (along with unemployment) increases.

 

[danielpalos]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

Here is something to consider:

Sterne Agee CRT restaurant analyst Lynne Collier said that while the wage impact is deleterious, "the other impact is a slight positive on the demand front, where the lower-income consumer gets a pay raise — and that is McDonald's customer base."

On the whole, she said, higher minimum wages are "neutral to slightly negative," and certainly not a major headwind.

Some fast-food operators see higher minimum wages as a major positive.

Source: How higher minimum wages could hurt McDonald's

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

^Big Mac study was based on bad math and you are also further misrepresenting it.

A Big Mac miss by The Huffington Post

Nice try. Different study.

Study: Raising wages to $15 an hour for limited-service restaurant employees would raise prices 4.3 percent - Purdue University

Look I'm all for busting up conservative bullshit about minimum wage but it's not just $0.17 for Big Macs - no way, no how.

From your link:

The purpose of this paper was to examine the effect that higher wages and health-care benefits have on costs and prices in limited-service restaurants. In order to compensate for higher wages, prices would have to increase between 4% and 25% and/or product size would have to be scaled back between 12% and 70%.

It's based on volume.

Sure, if you increase minimum wage, you can divide that out by a thousand big macs a day. But your hardware store doesn't sell a thousand hammers a day, or 500 boxes of nails a day.

Minimum wage has different impacts on different industries.

 

[Preacher]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

 

[AntonToo]

Because it replaces some of the salaries they would have to pay, and the hourly operating costs even with maintenance figured in is much much less than a breathing employee?

Not only that but people think when an employer increases wages by two dollars an hour, it's just two dollars an hour they lost.

There are many more costs when an employer gives a raise that are not considered, especially if your city or state increases it from $8.00 an hour to $15.00 an hour.

When in reality they lost $2.30 dollars?

No. When an employer gives a rate increase, he also has to pay more to match their SS contributions, to match their Medicare contributions, it increases their unemployment and workman's compensation insurance since if there is a claim, they would have to pay out more because compensation is based on their wage.

Then there is vacation and holidays to consider since that's money you are being paid for not working. If you work for a company that pays into your retirement plan based on your gross pay (like my company) that's also an additional expense.

So whats the total /hour cost increase for $2/h raise?

P.S. vacations and holidays for minimum wage workers? Really?

It varies by state. For instance in our state, my employer is paying over 50K a year just for workman's compensation insurance, and we have less than a dozen employees and no major claims. When he gives out raises, that insurance (along with unemployment) increases.

So there is absolutely no number that would seem reasonable to you?

To me that number should be around 2.30, at 15% extra cost.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

 

[Preacher]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

Dufus thinks the minimum wage is the government giving corporations money.

Cat got your tongue about Democrats putting people out of work yet again?

 

[ColonelAngus]

I love the innovation that the push for a $15.00 federal minimum wage was fostered! Thanks, Service Employees International Union, for speeding up the process of convenience to the customer.

I'd rather buy a cheeseburger from a kiosk than a shithead snowflake who thinks this is a career anyways.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

Corporate welfare is like climate change, a misleading term that causes people to think something that's really not. You know, like "hacking" when nothing was hacked, just somebody broke into some emails. But the uninformed voter thinks of somebody hacking into the election.

Letting companies keep more of THEIR money is not welfare of any kind. Giving people money from other people is.

Yes, we whine when government subsidies workers with welfare. We do not complain about the money they make, that's their business. We complain that they are getting welfare from the government when they shouldn't be.

 

[Bush92]

I'm calling bullshit.

They would have done the kiosk thing anyway.

How long does it take to design and develop the kiosks and computer programs? How long to install them nationwide?

This has been in the works longer than the call for wage increases.

This is where socialist intervention gets you.

 

[Preacher]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

Corporate welfare is like climate change, a misleading term that causes people to think something that's really not. You know, like "hacking" when nothing was hacked, just somebody broke into some emails. But the uninformed voter thinks of somebody hacking into the election.

Letting companies keep more of THEIR money is not welfare of any kind. Giving people money from other people is.

Yes, we whine when government subsidies workers with welfare. We do not complain about the money they make, that's their business. We complain that they are getting welfare from the government when they shouldn't be.

They wouldn't NEED nor GET welfare if the corporations weren't stealing their labor for unfair wages. Not only do the companies get away with wage theft but they also end up having the best lawyers around get around paying ANY taxes!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Not only that but people think when an employer increases wages by two dollars an hour, it's just two dollars an hour they lost.

There are many more costs when an employer gives a raise that are not considered, especially if your city or state increases it from $8.00 an hour to $15.00 an hour.

When in reality they lost $2.30 dollars?

No. When an employer gives a rate increase, he also has to pay more to match their SS contributions, to match their Medicare contributions, it increases their unemployment and workman's compensation insurance since if there is a claim, they would have to pay out more because compensation is based on their wage.

Then there is vacation and holidays to consider since that's money you are being paid for not working. If you work for a company that pays into your retirement plan based on your gross pay (like my company) that's also an additional expense.

So whats the total /hour cost increase for $2/h raise?

P.S. vacations and holidays for minimum wage workers? Really?

It varies by state. For instance in our state, my employer is paying over 50K a year just for workman's compensation insurance, and we have less than a dozen employees and no major claims. When he gives out raises, that insurance (along with unemployment) increases.

So there is absolutely no number that would seem reasonable to you?

To me that number should be around 2.30, at 15% extra cost.

Like I said, it depends on the state.

When Commie Care went into play and my employer dropped our insurance, he decided to give us the money he was paying for our insurance instead, minus his costs. Because Commie Care was designed to screw people, they made no provision for employers to do what my employer wanted to do; just hand over a tax free check. All employers could do is give a pay increase minus their associated costs.

He provided us a list of what he had to pay in order to give us that raise for him to break even. I didn't keep the list, but it was something like $170.00 a month. That's almost half of what he was paying for our insurance. Granted, he does contribute to our retirement, but those other associated costs are much more than you think. He didn't include what it would cost him extra for vacations and holidays. So I'm sure it's pretty close to the same.

 

[Bush92]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

Corporate welfare is like climate change, a misleading term that causes people to think something that's really not. You know, like "hacking" when nothing was hacked, just somebody broke into some emails. But the uninformed voter thinks of somebody hacking into the election.

Letting companies keep more of THEIR money is not welfare of any kind. Giving people money from other people is.

Yes, we whine when government subsidies workers with welfare. We do not complain about the money they make, that's their business. We complain that they are getting welfare from the government when they shouldn't be.

They wouldn't NEED nor GET welfare if the corporations weren't stealing their labor for unfair wages. Not only do the companies get away with wage theft but they also end up having the best lawyers around get around paying ANY taxes!

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Go live in North Korea communist. No mean Ol capitalist there.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Thanks to the left, now even high school kids can't get jobs.

Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks Nationwide

GOP-We only support welfare for corporations!
GOP-Too stupid to realize underpaid workers=workers getting welfare!

Lot of McDonalds employees wishing they were making $12 soon.

And lot of republicans whining that their tax dollars are paying for the welfare of underpaid workers that the COMPANY should have been paying legit wages...but like I said yall got no problem with corporate welfare....its just when the poor person needs it.

Corporate welfare is like climate change, a misleading term that causes people to think something that's really not. You know, like "hacking" when nothing was hacked, just somebody broke into some emails. But the uninformed voter thinks of somebody hacking into the election.

Letting companies keep more of THEIR money is not welfare of any kind. Giving people money from other people is.

Yes, we whine when government subsidies workers with welfare. We do not complain about the money they make, that's their business. We complain that they are getting welfare from the government when they shouldn't be.

They wouldn't NEED nor GET welfare if the corporations weren't stealing their labor for unfair wages. Not only do the companies get away with wage theft but they also end up having the best lawyers around get around paying ANY taxes!

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There you go with your Clintonization of words. There is no theft there.

If you are selling a car for less than that I think it's worth, and I buy your car, did I steal anything from you? Of course not. We both agreed on the deal.

Nobody forces you to work for them. They offer a job for X wages, and you either accept the job or you don't. There is nothing unfair about that.

That being said, it's not up to an employer to pay you enough wages to keep you off of welfare, that's what you need to do for yourself. Walmart and McDonald's doesn't give you welfare--Democrat politicians give you welfare. So if you want to slow down welfare, don't look at McDonald's or Walmart to do that because they didn't give you welfare in the first place. You elect politicians that promise to end welfare for those people instead, and then those workers can figure out what they need to to do make up for it.

 

[Indeependent]

CVS in Nassau County has removed the kiosks.
Too many breakdowns.

The kiosks are Stop & Shop are a nightmare...malfunctions galore.

The kiosks at Home Depot are good for small items.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I love the innovation that the push for a $15.00 federal minimum wage was fostered! Thanks, Service Employees International Union, for speeding up the process of convenience to the customer.

I'd rather buy a cheeseburger from a kiosk than a shithead snowflake who thinks this is a career anyways.

I had a couple I rented an apartment to. They moved out about a year ago. They were with me for several years, and both worked restaurant jobs. She worked at Pizza Hut and he at McDonald's.

It's not like there were no other opportunities around, it's just that they smoked pot and couldn't get a better job because better jobs drug test employees.

They were always late with the rent, drove beat up cars, but they always paid and were good kids. It was my hope that one day when financial interests became more important than pot, they's smoke their last bag and concentrate how to be more productive in life.

If we ever had a huge increase in minimum wage, that day might come a lot later if at all. They would be professional pizza flippers and french fry makers, and never pursue a better life for themselves.

 

[Grandma]

They are getting better and better. Most of the CVS's and Walgreens I go into have self checkout. Same as the Stop & shops.

Their biggest issue isn't the reliability of the machines, its people trying to steal crap. That's where a cashier/bagger is a more effective barrier.

But the companies are working on the theft angle.

I'm curious about this - some of the stores around here have self-checkout and it looks like it would be pretty easy to steal stuff.

What are the stores doing to prevent it?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

CVS in Nassau County has removed the kiosks.
Too many breakdowns.

The kiosks are Stop & Shop are a nightmare...malfunctions galore.

The kiosks at Home Depot are good for small items.

I went to see my doctor at the Cleveland Clinic last year. When I approached the check in desk, I was met with no lights and empty chairs. A woman walked over and escorted me to their new kiosks. Now you have to check yourself in.

I didn't care, but there were older people there that were outraged. The assistant did just about everything for them, but they resented it all the more.

It will be a slow conversions, but in 20 years from now, that's going to be the only way to get service from places. I don't use self checkouts myself.