McCain Still Afraid of Debate Even After Agreement Reached

[Jon]

I can't believe you people think McCain is scared of a debate about FOREIGN POLICY against Obama. How delusional can you be?

 

[frazzledgear]

Something to worry about, anything Bush/McCain has their hands into!

What should worry you far more is why you would support Democrats when it has been Republicans who have tried repeatedly to get oversight regulation back in place in order to prevent what happened with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the first place -and for many years now. Three of the last 5 years, Bush tried -and specifically warned that these two institutions would be in dire straits unless something was done. McCain stood on the floor of the Senate in 2006 and warned what was going to happen with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. But DEMOCRATS decided they liked things the way they were, voted down the one bill that made it out of committee and ignored it entirely the rest of the time. And now act like they had no idea this was coming? This was due to the total lack of leadership, expertise and even basic knowledge of economic and financial issues in the first place. By the party now controlling both Houses of Congress. Who are even now crafting the means of making sure taxpayers get hosed for THEIR inaction!

And now bozos want to make it a disaster trifecta by putting THE single most unqualified person to run for President in the last 100 years in the White House! While insisting a governor as VP candidate on the other ticket is the one not qualified -a claim NEVER made in history about a governor anywhere on a Presidential ticket. She would only be unqualified if she had not been able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of governor well -and that isn't the case. Palin's own experience means she is more qualified for President than Obama and Biden combined! Governors' biggest shortcoming -even when running for the top spot is naturally foreign policy. It is pretty much the one issue governors do not deal with as an executive although they have dealt on a state level with nearly all other issues a President will. Clinton as governor of Arkansas -had no foreign policy experience himself either when he ran for President -not VP. There is a reason half our Presidents and even more of our VPs -were GOVERNORS. Since those with TRUE foreign policy experience are current and former Presidents, those whose job is it to help a President set and carry out his foreign policy or PhDs at universities who teach foreign policy issues -simply being a CRITIC of a President's foreign policy does not endow that person with foreign policy experience himself! So Obama's real claim is that after just 18 months as a do-nothing freshman Senator, his criticism and having a different opinion about what it should be actually counts as foreign policy "experience". Get real. This is no different from what ANY Presidential candidate is saying as well. People make their choice based on whether they AGREE with where a candidate wants to take the country on ALL SORTS of issues, foreign policy just being one -but no candidate actually has any experience with setting, making, enacting or changing foreign policy in this country. Not until they ARE President. Until then, all they have are OPINIONS about what they think it should be. Nothing more.

Foreign policy experience is acquired with FAR more ease and more rapidly than what someone like Obama totally lacks. Governors bring a far more detailed knowledge of hundreds of different DOMESTIC issues with direct hands-on experience dealing with them -as an executive, not as a legislator and sidelines critic. The reason so many Presidents and VPs have been governors and are ALWAYS considered qualified for the job - is because what they DO have is exactly what Senators running for President TOTALLY LACK but is an absolute necessity. EXECUTIVE SKILLS -right off the bat along with that firsthand experience of dealing with hundreds of domestic issues AS an executive. If a President lacks that -whether you like his policies or not, it means they will likely be an ineffective President unable to get many of his policies off the ground anyway. Executive and leadership skills and talents aren't just miraculously endowed on someone who has nothing but legislative skills -and a scanty amount of even that. Most people do NOT ever have them or develop them. Someone can be a brilliant orator -but that in no way means they are also a brilliant executive! Yet BEING an effective executive is a critical necessity for a President. Or VP. What Palin brings to McCain are the very things he may find himself shortest on in order to get his policies moving -the very creation of a well-run executive office which involves making literally thousands of decisions before ever getting around to getting a single policy change in motion. Something Palin has already shown she knows how to do very well. And what does Biden bring to Obama? More useless legislative skills that will have no purpose or function in an executive office.

Like Bush or hate Bush -one thing no one can dispute is the fact that guy runs the Executive Office very efficiently and got it that way within weeks of taking office. For those with no previous executive experience, it typically takes more than 2 years to get on their feet as President -IF they ever do. Half a term wasted hoping a guy with zero executive and leadership skills can develop them -if he ever does. But it IS something governors have already done, have already proven whether they possess those necessary skills and experience for the job or not -and already learned from past mistakes in doing it. No one brings that missing expertise to Obama though.

Obama/Biden are essentially just a NOVICE Senator who hasn't held the job long enough to prove he can even do that job well and a longtime legislative hack as his back-up used to a position that called upon the skillful use of PARTISAN politics, but never executive skills. Neither have any knowledge or experience with running an executive office -much less doing it well! But without that -he's the one who is truly least qualified to be on a Presidential ticket, much less the top spot. Obama made a disastrous choice, someone who brought NOTHING of use or filled any spot that Obama was lacking himself. This isn't an issue of Palin's policies and opinions, because they will be McCain's policies and any VP can stick to the President's playbook on policies. (Biden shows a strange inability to even do that though.) But she has hands-on executive experience, has proven she already possesses the necessary executive and leadership skills for the job -and the other ticket is entirely bereft of any. Charismatic speaking skills can never substitute for them either.

Whack me in the head the day I agree that someone who was a part-time community organizer, a state legislator who worked not quite 4 months a year and now a Senator who works 8 months of the year (but still didn't show up on the job for more than 1/3 of the votes) and 18 months later hopes to use that paltry experience as a springboard to President -is fit and qualified to hold the most powerful executive office in the world! He's held no job that gave him any relevant skills, experience or preparation to hold the most powerful job in the world. But hey, let's give him the job even though he is the most unqualified person to seek that office in over a century. After all, the guy can read off a teleprompter most eloquently, can't he? I demand much more than that from MY President. If Obama is elected, we will all pay for the fact that too many people didn't also demand a whole lot more than that.

 

[Truthmatters]

Frazzle this is utter horseshit

 

[Jon]

Frazzle this is utter horseshit

Stellar response.

Frazzled, you made a lot of excellent points. Bush DID warn about Fannie and Freddie, and Democrats didn't listen. I won't say that it's the fault of the Democrats, but they certainly didn't do anything to stop it, either.

As for Palin's experience, you're absolutley right. Governorship is a lot more like being a President than any seat in the Senate. Palin could have been governor for a decade, but because she's not a governor from a big state it doesn't matter. Clinton was governor of Arkansas, it's not like we're a big state, but Clinton was an amazing President. Having to actually make decisions on your own is a lot more difficult than making decisions in committees. McCain, Obama, nor Biden have ever had to make an executive decision in their lives.

 

[midcan5]

As an old saying goes, McCain cannot walk and chew gum.


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j56i15Wdgok]YouTube - Mccain Caught Lying(exposed on youtube) Worst Nightmare[/ame]

 

[dilloduck]

He's pretty much got no choice now. If you'd watched the polls, the majority of Americans wanted the debates to happen regardless of McCain's grandstanding. He knows he'll look like a coward, or a tired old man, if he doesn't attend.

One debate will erase that perception in seconds. Don't worry. There will be a debate so you can move on to something more substantial that calling McCain a "scaredy cat" .

 

[greenpartyaz]

What should worry you far more is why you would support Democrats when it has been Republicans who have tried repeatedly to get oversight regulation back in place in order to prevent what happened with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the first place -and for many years now. Three of the last 5 years, Bush tried -and specifically warned that these two institutions would be in dire straits unless something was done. McCain stood on the floor of the Senate in 2006 and warned what was going to happen with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. But DEMOCRATS decided they liked things the way they were, voted down the one bill that made it out of committee and ignored it entirely the rest of the time. And now act like they had no idea this was coming? This was due to the total lack of leadership, expertise and even basic knowledge of economic and financial issues in the first place. By the party now controlling both Houses of Congress. Who are even now crafting the means of making sure taxpayers get hosed for THEIR inaction!

And now bozos want to make it a disaster trifecta by putting THE single most unqualified person to run for President in the last 100 years in the White House! While insisting a governor as VP candidate on the other ticket is the one not qualified -a claim NEVER made in history about a governor anywhere on a Presidential ticket. She would only be unqualified if she had not been able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of governor well -and that isn't the case. Palin's own experience means she is more qualified for President than Obama and Biden combined! Governors' biggest shortcoming -even when running for the top spot is naturally foreign policy. It is pretty much the one issue governors do not deal with as an executive although they have dealt on a state level with nearly all other issues a President will. Clinton as governor of Arkansas -had no foreign policy experience himself either when he ran for President -not VP. There is a reason half our Presidents and even more of our VPs -were GOVERNORS. Since those with TRUE foreign policy experience are current and former Presidents, those whose job is it to help a President set and carry out his foreign policy or PhDs at universities who teach foreign policy issues -simply being a CRITIC of a President's foreign policy does not endow that person with foreign policy experience himself! So Obama's real claim is that after just 18 months as a do-nothing freshman Senator, his criticism and having a different opinion about what it should be actually counts as foreign policy "experience". Get real. This is no different from what ANY Presidential candidate is saying as well. People make their choice based on whether they AGREE with where a candidate wants to take the country on ALL SORTS of issues, foreign policy just being one -but no candidate actually has any experience with setting, making, enacting or changing foreign policy in this country. Not until they ARE President. Until then, all they have are OPINIONS about what they think it should be. Nothing more.

Foreign policy experience is acquired with FAR more ease and more rapidly than what someone like Obama totally lacks. Governors bring a far more detailed knowledge of hundreds of different DOMESTIC issues with direct hands-on experience dealing with them -as an executive, not as a legislator and sidelines critic. The reason so many Presidents and VPs have been governors and are ALWAYS considered qualified for the job - is because what they DO have is exactly what Senators running for President TOTALLY LACK but is an absolute necessity. EXECUTIVE SKILLS -right off the bat along with that firsthand experience of dealing with hundreds of domestic issues AS an executive. If a President lacks that -whether you like his policies or not, it means they will likely be an ineffective President unable to get many of his policies off the ground anyway. Executive and leadership skills and talents aren't just miraculously endowed on someone who has nothing but legislative skills -and a scanty amount of even that. Most people do NOT ever have them or develop them. Someone can be a brilliant orator -but that in no way means they are also a brilliant executive! Yet BEING an effective executive is a critical necessity for a President. Or VP. What Palin brings to McCain are the very things he may find himself shortest on in order to get his policies moving -the very creation of a well-run executive office which involves making literally thousands of decisions before ever getting around to getting a single policy change in motion. Something Palin has already shown she knows how to do very well. And what does Biden bring to Obama? More useless legislative skills that will have no purpose or function in an executive office.

Like Bush or hate Bush -one thing no one can dispute is the fact that guy runs the Executive Office very efficiently and got it that way within weeks of taking office. For those with no previous executive experience, it typically takes more than 2 years to get on their feet as President -IF they ever do. Half a term wasted hoping a guy with zero executive and leadership skills can develop them -if he ever does. But it IS something governors have already done, have already proven whether they possess those necessary skills and experience for the job or not -and already learned from past mistakes in doing it. No one brings that missing expertise to Obama though.

Obama/Biden are essentially just a NOVICE Senator who hasn't held the job long enough to prove he can even do that job well and a longtime legislative hack as his back-up used to a position that called upon the skillful use of PARTISAN politics, but never executive skills. Neither have any knowledge or experience with running an executive office -much less doing it well! But without that -he's the one who is truly least qualified to be on a Presidential ticket, much less the top spot. Obama made a disastrous choice, someone who brought NOTHING of use or filled any spot that Obama was lacking himself. This isn't an issue of Palin's policies and opinions, because they will be McCain's policies and any VP can stick to the President's playbook on policies. (Biden shows a strange inability to even do that though.) But she has hands-on executive experience, has proven she already possesses the necessary executive and leadership skills for the job -and the other ticket is entirely bereft of any. Charismatic speaking skills can never substitute for them either.

Whack me in the head the day I agree that someone who was a part-time community organizer, a state legislator who worked not quite 4 months a year and now a Senator who works 8 months of the year (but still didn't show up on the job for more than 1/3 of the votes) and 18 months later hopes to use that paltry experience as a springboard to President -is fit and qualified to hold the most powerful executive office in the world! He's held no job that gave him any relevant skills, experience or preparation to hold the most powerful job in the world. But hey, let's give him the job even though he is the most unqualified person to seek that office in over a century. After all, the guy can read off a teleprompter most eloquently, can't he? I demand much more than that from MY President. If Obama is elected, we will all pay for the fact that too many people didn't also demand a whole lot more than that.

First of all you know that this argument of executive experience is total bullshit. Who do you trust, a mayor of a po-dunk little town in Alaska or a sitting senator who has experience in the senate. It is a powdercake issue. Bush is a business failure, he has been a failure all of his life when it comes to managing things. Arbusto Drilling, Spectrum 7, Harken Energy (investigated by the SEC for insider trading). Bush/Cheney have been the worst administration that we have ever seen in the modern era! The Republicans deserve the mother of all shellackings for what they have done over the last eight years! You can invoke Clinton's name all you want, but there is no escaping the dufus YOU enabled to sit in the White House over the last eight years. And as far as lipstick on a pig, well nobody is expecting McCain to serve out his full term if he were somehow elected. His age is a major factor in his VP choice. Her total lack of experience is downright scary. It shows in her efforts to dodge every tough interview. Not to mention that she is a religious fundamentalist wacko. She wants creationism taught. She inquired three times to have books removed from the local library in an effort to censor information. She invokes god and military conflict. McCain wants to create irresponsible tax cuts that are not sustainable economically. Obama wants to tax people making about a quarter of a million dollars. And why do you feel the need to talk to me like I'm a second class citizen? I am not a Democrat, by any means. Your political bigotry shows.

 

[Mauser]

Wuss.... Can you imagine the whining that the rabid right would be doing if Obama was the one refusing to debate? RAFLMAO!

McCain isn't "refusing" to debate. He merely asked to postpone the debate until an agreement can be reached on the bailout arrangement.

Somehow, the "rabid" left has translated that into a refusal to debate, or that McCain is somehow afraid to debate Obama on foreign policy and national security....two areas in which McCain excels.

 

[greenpartyaz]

McCain isn't "refusing" to debate. He merely asked to postpone the debate until an agreement can be reached on the bailout arrangement.

McCain doesn't have all of his cards in order for the debate. This political stunt only serves two fold, to help McCain prepare his talking script for the debate upcoming, and to make him appear that he "cares." Considering that he was for de-regulation of the banks all along. And god damn it!!! He should show up for Letterman!

 

[Diuretic]

i believe him halting the campaign will have the same affect halting the convention for the hurricane had...

makes him look more genuinely sincere and concerned

Nope, the folks are awake to him now. He's finished.

 

[Diuretic]

If you seriously think McCain is afraid to debate foreign policy and national security issues (the topic of the first debate) with a FRESHMAN Senator with just a few months on the job before running for President and needs 300 foreign policy advisors when that should tell you what a serious lack of knowledge and expertise he really has -you need to check back into reality.

He's shitting himself.

 

[Diuretic]

I can't believe you people think McCain is scared of a debate about FOREIGN POLICY against Obama. How delusional can you be?

He's scared alright. He's in a big blue funk.

 

[Mauser]

McCain doesn't have all of his cards in order for the debate. This political stunt only serves two fold, to help McCain prepare his talking script for the debate upcoming, and to make him appear that he "cares." Considering that he was for de-regulation of the banks all along. And god damn it!!! He should show up for Letterman!

Unlike Barack Obama.....John McCain won't be needing cue cards or teleprompters in order to discuss foreign policy and national security matters.

 

[Diuretic]

What should worry you far more is why you would support Democrats when it has been Republicans who have tried repeatedly to get oversight regulation back in place in order to prevent what happened with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in the first place -and for many years now. Three of the last 5 years, Bush tried -and specifically warned that these two institutions would be in dire straits unless something was done. McCain stood on the floor of the Senate in 2006 and warned what was going to happen with Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. But DEMOCRATS decided they liked things the way they were, voted down the one bill that made it out of committee and ignored it entirely the rest of the time. And now act like they had no idea this was coming? This was due to the total lack of leadership, expertise and even basic knowledge of economic and financial issues in the first place. By the party now controlling both Houses of Congress. Who are even now crafting the means of making sure taxpayers get hosed for THEIR inaction!

And now bozos want to make it a disaster trifecta by putting THE single most unqualified person to run for President in the last 100 years in the White House! While insisting a governor as VP candidate on the other ticket is the one not qualified -a claim NEVER made in history about a governor anywhere on a Presidential ticket. She would only be unqualified if she had not been able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of governor well -and that isn't the case. Palin's own experience means she is more qualified for President than Obama and Biden combined! Governors' biggest shortcoming -even when running for the top spot is naturally foreign policy. It is pretty much the one issue governors do not deal with as an executive although they have dealt on a state level with nearly all other issues a President will. Clinton as governor of Arkansas -had no foreign policy experience himself either when he ran for President -not VP. There is a reason half our Presidents and even more of our VPs -were GOVERNORS. Since those with TRUE foreign policy experience are current and former Presidents, those whose job is it to help a President set and carry out his foreign policy or PhDs at universities who teach foreign policy issues -simply being a CRITIC of a President's foreign policy does not endow that person with foreign policy experience himself! So Obama's real claim is that after just 18 months as a do-nothing freshman Senator, his criticism and having a different opinion about what it should be actually counts as foreign policy "experience". Get real. This is no different from what ANY Presidential candidate is saying as well. People make their choice based on whether they AGREE with where a candidate wants to take the country on ALL SORTS of issues, foreign policy just being one -but no candidate actually has any experience with setting, making, enacting or changing foreign policy in this country. Not until they ARE President. Until then, all they have are OPINIONS about what they think it should be. Nothing more.

Foreign policy experience is acquired with FAR more ease and more rapidly than what someone like Obama totally lacks. Governors bring a far more detailed knowledge of hundreds of different DOMESTIC issues with direct hands-on experience dealing with them -as an executive, not as a legislator and sidelines critic. The reason so many Presidents and VPs have been governors and are ALWAYS considered qualified for the job - is because what they DO have is exactly what Senators running for President TOTALLY LACK but is an absolute necessity. EXECUTIVE SKILLS -right off the bat along with that firsthand experience of dealing with hundreds of domestic issues AS an executive. If a President lacks that -whether you like his policies or not, it means they will likely be an ineffective President unable to get many of his policies off the ground anyway. Executive and leadership skills and talents aren't just miraculously endowed on someone who has nothing but legislative skills -and a scanty amount of even that. Most people do NOT ever have them or develop them. Someone can be a brilliant orator -but that in no way means they are also a brilliant executive! Yet BEING an effective executive is a critical necessity for a President. Or VP. What Palin brings to McCain are the very things he may find himself shortest on in order to get his policies moving -the very creation of a well-run executive office which involves making literally thousands of decisions before ever getting around to getting a single policy change in motion. Something Palin has already shown she knows how to do very well. And what does Biden bring to Obama? More useless legislative skills that will have no purpose or function in an executive office.

Like Bush or hate Bush -one thing no one can dispute is the fact that guy runs the Executive Office very efficiently and got it that way within weeks of taking office. For those with no previous executive experience, it typically takes more than 2 years to get on their feet as President -IF they ever do. Half a term wasted hoping a guy with zero executive and leadership skills can develop them -if he ever does. But it IS something governors have already done, have already proven whether they possess those necessary skills and experience for the job or not -and already learned from past mistakes in doing it. No one brings that missing expertise to Obama though.

Obama/Biden are essentially just a NOVICE Senator who hasn't held the job long enough to prove he can even do that job well and a longtime legislative hack as his back-up used to a position that called upon the skillful use of PARTISAN politics, but never executive skills. Neither have any knowledge or experience with running an executive office -much less doing it well! But without that -he's the one who is truly least qualified to be on a Presidential ticket, much less the top spot. Obama made a disastrous choice, someone who brought NOTHING of use or filled any spot that Obama was lacking himself. This isn't an issue of Palin's policies and opinions, because they will be McCain's policies and any VP can stick to the President's playbook on policies. (Biden shows a strange inability to even do that though.) But she has hands-on executive experience, has proven she already possesses the necessary executive and leadership skills for the job -and the other ticket is entirely bereft of any. Charismatic speaking skills can never substitute for them either.

Whack me in the head the day I agree that someone who was a part-time community organizer, a state legislator who worked not quite 4 months a year and now a Senator who works 8 months of the year (but still didn't show up on the job for more than 1/3 of the votes) and 18 months later hopes to use that paltry experience as a springboard to President -is fit and qualified to hold the most powerful executive office in the world! He's held no job that gave him any relevant skills, experience or preparation to hold the most powerful job in the world. But hey, let's give him the job even though he is the most unqualified person to seek that office in over a century. After all, the guy can read off a teleprompter most eloquently, can't he? I demand much more than that from MY President. If Obama is elected, we will all pay for the fact that too many people didn't also demand a whole lot more than that.

He's been treated for bruising between his knees, they're knocking that hard.

 

[Diuretic]

McCain isn't "refusing" to debate. He merely asked to postpone the debate until an agreement can be reached on the bailout arrangement.

Somehow, the "rabid" left has translated that into a refusal to debate, or that McCain is somehow afraid to debate Obama on foreign policy and national security....two areas in which McCain excels.

He's running away.

 

[Diuretic]

Unlike Barack Obama.....John McCain won't be needing cue cards or teleprompters in order to discuss foreign policy and national security matters.

No, he just need a getaway car.

 

[Mauser]

He's running away.

The guy who wanted more debates rather than less?

Sure he is.

 

[Diuretic]

The guy who wanted more debates rather than less?

Sure he is.

I admire him.

At his age he legged it faster than Usain Bolt.

 

[greenpartyaz]

I admire him.

At his age he legged it faster than Usain Bolt.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[editec]

MCain is facing a real problem, isn't he?

He's been talking up the whole business as usual thing for some time.

His whole "If but only the rich had MORE money, american would be fine" rhetoric looks pretty damned stupid now, doesn't it?

He isn't sure he can run as a liberal democrat which is what is needed now that capitalism shat all over itself AGAIN.

So I can hardly blame him for wanting to not have to go out there and refute everything political philosophy he'd been touting for the last couple years.