McCain is the Greatest Flip Flopper of all time

[jreeves]

No, I don't believe anyone, I read the loan application myself. It says without stuttering that public financing isn't to be used as collateral.

Have you read the loan application?

 

[jreeves]

Have you read the loan application?

Here you go, pay close attention to parts D and E of the loan application.
http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/20080220c1image.pdf

 

[Jeepers]

Your an idiot reeves... this is greater excerpt from the same article that posted that you chose to ignore...

"Earlier this year, he opted out of the public financing system in the primary campaign when he seemed assured of capturing the presidential nomination. But his effort was questioned by FEC Chairman David Mason, a Republican, who said the presumptive Republican nominee had to assure the regulatory agency that he had not used the promise of public money to secure a $4 million line of credit in November.

Then the Democratic National Committee (DNC) got into the act Feb. 25, filing a lawsuit to compel the FEC to conduct an investigation. It was rejected in U.S. District Court, which ruled the agency still had 120 days to fully consider the issue. That deadline expired Tuesday, though the FEC could not have acted until its vacancies had been filled.

The Senate was ready to vote last week on the FEC nominees, but in what Republicans saw as transparent political move, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid delayed the vote for a week until the deadline passed, clearing the way for the DNC to refile its lawsuit.

The DNC's renewed suit charges that Mr. McCain had decided to "unilaterally withdraw from the FEC's matching funds program despite using the program to financially benefit his campaign."

"In order to receive matching funds, John McCain signed a binding agreement with the FEC to accept spending limits and to abide by the conditions of receiving those funds. The FEC requires that any request to withdraw from the agreement must be granted by the FEC," the DNC said in a statement Tuesday.

The Republican National Committee dismissed the DNC's claims Tuesday, saying "the same frivolous lawsuit was thrown out of court over a month ago."

"The law states that a candidate must actually receive public funds to be subject to the primary campaign spending limit. The McCain campaign never received any primary matching funds, and the campaign's lending bank has made clear that no entitlements to public funds were used as collateral to secure any loan," RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross said in a statement.

How the FEC will rule on the matter is unclear, but it is not likely to complete its consideration of the issue before the election, legal advisers have said.

"Either they say he could withdraw [from the primary system], or his actions were not valid and that he exceeded the spending limits that are imposed on a candidate participating in public funding," Mr. Baran said. "Then months or years from now, after the fighting is over, he would have to pay a penalty."

 

[Jeepers]

I guess since the RNC dismissed it, it must be so right.. what an idiot...

 

[midcan5]

Johnny has joined the republican sect and like all converts he has changed. LOL

McCain Sets a New Record: 10 Flip-Flops in Two Weeks

Crooks and Liars McCain Sets a New Record: 10 Flip-Flops in Two Weeks


A vote for John McCain is a vote against the fundamental principle of America, the right of the individual to lead their life privately without the government interfering.

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[nomdeplume]

Johnny has joined the republican sect and like all converts he has changed. LOL

McCain Sets a New Record: 10 Flip-Flops in Two Weeks
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What a crock of horseshit. That doesn't have ten flipflops, it has 10 examples of how stupid and poor readers dumbocrats are, at best, and their pathological lieing nature at worst.

 

[editec]

McCain is the Greatest Flip Flopper of all time

Not sure about that, but this thread title might be a candidate for The Most Hyperbolic Thread Title Written by a McCain opposer in quite some time.

 

[jreeves]

Your an idiot reeves... this is greater excerpt from the same article that posted that you chose to ignore...

All you have to do is read the loan application. It explicity states that public funding isn't to be used as collateral, how much more freaking clear could it have been? If you can't read the contract, who is the real idiot?

 

[sealybobo]

No, I don't believe anyone, I read the loan application myself. It says without stuttering that public financing isn't to be used as collateral.

Hey jackass, I'm at work so I can PROVE anything you think I made up. By the way, do you really want McCain's camp to be the next ADMINISTRATION?

WASHINGTON - Senator John McCain’s campaigns have long been defined by internal squabbling and power plays, zigzagging lines of command and a penchant by the candidate for consulting with former advisers without alerting current ones, always a recipe for disquiet.

After a period of relative calm on that score, it is becoming clear that his campaign is once again a swirl of competing spheres of influence, clusters of friends, consultants and media advisers who represent a matrix of clashing ambitions and festering feuds. The cast includes the surviving members of Mr. McCain’s 2000 campaign, led by Rick Davis and Mark Salter; a new camp out of the world of Karl Rove, led by the recently ascendant Steve Schmidt; and on the periphery, the ever-present Mike Murphy, Mr. McCain’s strategist in the 2000 presidential race who has been dispensing advice to the candidate to the annoyance of the other camps, and is the subject of intensifying rumors in Republican circles that he is about to re-enter the campaign.

Mr. McCain is uncomfortable firing people or banishing them entirely. His orbit remains filled with people who have been demoted without being told they are being demoted, like Mr. Davis, who continues to hold the title of campaign manager even as Mr. Schmidt manages the campaign. Yet, Mr. McCain inspires uncommon loyalty in those who serve with him — hence the willingness of Mr. Murphy to consider coming back into the McCain campaign, despite his own rather brutal history of enmity with Mr. Davis.

Politics heat up at McCain campaign - The New York Times - MSNBC.com

 

[sealybobo]

If mccain can't manage his own campaign, how will he manage the country? Notice Obama runs a smooth campaign? That's right.

 

[Jeepers]

All you have to do is read the loan application. It explicity states that public funding isn't to be used as collateral, how much more freaking clear could it have been? If you can't read the contract, who is the real idiot?

If what you are saying is true then Fidelity Banking $ Trust is in deep shit for giving Mac a sweetheart loan with No Collateral and a chance that the loan would have been defaulted on.... LOL.. someones head is gonna roll over this deal one way or another... I wonder which makes more sense... a secure loan for millions or an unsecured loan for millions... give it up.. common sense says you can stuff you loan application theory back in your ass cause if means little when the ramifications of this transaction are scrutinized....

 

[sealybobo]

All you have to do is read the loan application. It explicity states that public funding isn't to be used as collateral, how much more freaking clear could it have been? If you can't read the contract, who is the real idiot?

Why I don't blame you for being a nucklehead:

Conservatives have spent decades defining their ideas, carefully choosing the language with which to present them, and building an infrastructure to communicate them

George Lakoff tells how conservatives use language to dominate politics

So they worked for decades to sucker guys like you into falling for their bullshit and boy did you swallow it!!!!! You still are!!!!

 

[jreeves]

Hey jackass, I'm at work so I can PROVE anything you think I made up. By the way, do you really want McCain's camp to be the next ADMINISTRATION?

WASHINGTON - Senator John McCain’s campaigns have long been defined by internal squabbling and power plays, zigzagging lines of command and a penchant by the candidate for consulting with former advisers without alerting current ones, always a recipe for disquiet.

After a period of relative calm on that score, it is becoming clear that his campaign is once again a swirl of competing spheres of influence, clusters of friends, consultants and media advisers who represent a matrix of clashing ambitions and festering feuds. The cast includes the surviving members of Mr. McCain’s 2000 campaign, led by Rick Davis and Mark Salter; a new camp out of the world of Karl Rove, led by the recently ascendant Steve Schmidt; and on the periphery, the ever-present Mike Murphy, Mr. McCain’s strategist in the 2000 presidential race who has been dispensing advice to the candidate to the annoyance of the other camps, and is the subject of intensifying rumors in Republican circles that he is about to re-enter the campaign.

Mr. McCain is uncomfortable firing people or banishing them entirely. His orbit remains filled with people who have been demoted without being told they are being demoted, like Mr. Davis, who continues to hold the title of campaign manager even as Mr. Schmidt manages the campaign. Yet, Mr. McCain inspires uncommon loyalty in those who serve with him — hence the willingness of Mr. Murphy to consider coming back into the McCain campaign, despite his own rather brutal history of enmity with Mr. Davis.

Politics heat up at McCain campaign - The New York Times - MSNBC.com

OMG...the NYT has issues with MCcain's campaign what a shock...

 

[jreeves]

If what you are saying is true then Fidelity Banking $ Trust is in deep shit for giving Mac a sweetheart loan with No Collateral and a chance that the loan would have been defaulted on.... LOL.. someones head is gonna roll over this deal one way or another... I wonder which makes more sense... a secure loan for millions or an unsecured loan for millions... give it up.. common sense says you can stuff you loan application theory back in your ass cause if means little when the ramifications of this transaction are scrutinized....

Evidently you didn't read the loan application either....The loan was secured with future income excluding public financing. Common sense and a fifth grade reading level tells you that there was nothing inappropriate about this loan.

 

[jreeves]

If mccain can't manage his own campaign, how will he manage the country? Notice Obama runs a smooth campaign? That's right.

huh.....

AYERS,REZKO,WRIGHT.....etc.....

 

[Jeepers]

...The loan was secured with future income...

Oh I get it... a multi million dollar loan was given to a third tier candidate based on his vast following and fund raising abilities... Try again...

 

[sealybobo]

huh.....

AYERS,REZKO,WRIGHT.....etc.....

Wright? His preacher? That's the best you have on him? Ayers? Isn't that the guy that he met when Obama was 6 or 8 years old?

If you won't vote for Obama because of them, you should stay home this November.

FACT CHECK:

JOHN MCCAIN’S LOBBYIST FRIENDS

Anti-Western Political Parties…

Campaign Manager Rick Davis’s Firm Represented Anti-Western Political Party in Ukraine. “A consultant to Sen. John McCain hired a public-relations firm last year to burnish the U.S. image of a Ukrainian political party backed by Russian leader Vladimir Putin, according to documents filed with the Justice Department. The lobbying firm of Davis Manafort Inc. arranged for the public-relations firm’s work through an affiliate last spring, at the same time Davis Manafort was being paid by the Republican presidential candidate’s campaign. The firm is co-owned by lobbyist Rick Davis, manager of Sen. McCain’s presidential campaign, and longtime Republican strategist Paul Manafort.” [Wall Street Journal, 5/14/08]
Mob-Connected Russian Oligarchs…

Davis Introduced McCain to Putin-Ally, Mafia-Linked Russian Oligarch. While seeking to do business with him, McCain campaign manager Rick Davis - while simultaneously at the Reform Institute and lobbying for Davis Manafort - introduced McCain to Oleg Deripaska, a Putin ally whose U.S. visa was revoked due to suspicions over his ties to Russian organized crime. McCain, Deripaska and Davis rendezvoused at least twice - first in January 2006 in Davos, then during a codel in Montenegro in August 2006. [Washington Post, 1/25/08]
The Saudi Royal Family…

Former Campaign Finance Chair Tom Loeffler Lobbied McCain for Saudi Clients. “But the fallout may not be over. One top campaign official affected by the new policy is national finance co-chair Tom Loeffler, a former Texas congressman whose lobbying firm has collected nearly $15 million from Saudi Arabia since 2002 and millions more from other foreign and corporate interests, including a French aerospace firm seeking Pentagon contracts. Loeffler last month told a reporter ‘at no time have I discussed my clients with John McCain.’ But lobbying disclosure records reviewed by NEWSWEEK show that on May 17, 2006, Loeffler listed meeting McCain along with the Saudi ambassador to ‘discuss US-Kingdom of Saudi Arabia relations.’” [Newsweek, 5/26/08: ]Newsweek - National News, World News, Health, Technology, Entertainment and more... | Newsweek.com
Companies doing business in Iran…

McCain Campaign Manager Rick Davis Represented Ukrainian Companies Doing Business in Iran. “Before Rick Davis began serving as John McCain’s campaign manager, his lobbying firm had a pretty cosmopolitan set of clients. For example, Ukranian billionaire Rinat Akhmetov, who has several business links to Iran… Davis Manafort was helping Akhmetov’s conglomerate, System Capital Management Holdings, to develop a “corporate communications strategy” between the beginging of 2005 through the end of summer 2005, the company said. The company’s subsidiary, Metinvest, a steel company, has one of its 11 offices in Tehran. And another subsidiary, Khartsyzsk Pipe Plant, sells large pipes to Iran. Those business ties go back to at least 2005, when Davis Manafort was working for the company, according to a handful of stories in business publications like the Russia & CIS Metals and Mining Weekly and the Mining and the Metals report, which we found on Nexis.” [TPM, 5/30/08: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/before_rick_davis_began_servin.php]
The Brutal Myanmar Junta…

Doug Goodyear Left Campaign After Revelations His Firm Represented Myanmar Regime. “The man picked by the John McCain campaign to run the 2008 Republican National Convention resigned Saturday after a report that his lobbying firm used to represent the military regime in Myanmar. Doug Goodyear resigned as coordinator of the Twin Cities convention and issued a two-sentence statement.” [Associated Press, 5/11/08]
Goodyear and Doug Davenport, Regional Campaign Manager, Tied to Oppressive Myanmar Junta. “ABC News’ Jan Simmonds reports: Two of Sen. John McCain’ campaign aides resigned this weekend after media reports brought to light their ties to a lobbying group that once represented the military junta of Burma, which the regime calls Myanmar. The aides, Douglas Goodyear, who was tapped as the GOP Convention Coordinator, and Doug Davenport, a regional manager focusing on the mid-Atlantic states, both worked for DCI. The firm was hired in 2002 to represent Burma’s military junta to try to begin a dialogue of political reconciliation with the United States.” [ABCNews.com, 5/11/08]
…and some of history’s Most Brutal Tyrants.

Charlie Black Pioneered the “Revolving Door Between Campaign Consulting and Lobbying.” “Then in his 30s, Black already had established himself as a pioneer of the revolving door between campaign consulting and lobbying, having been a senior adviser on President Ronald Reagan’s reelection campaign before returning to K Street. And his clients, as often as not, were foreign leaders eager to burnish their reputations…The lobbying shop represented Bethlehem Steel, the Tobacco Institute and the government of the Philippines. The political consulting firm helped elect a slew of lawmakers — including Sens. Phil Gramm, Jesse Helms, Charles McC. Mathias Jr., Arlen Specter, Paula Hawkins and David F. Durenberger — who worked on legislation that directly impacted the firm’s clients.” [Washington Post, 5/22/08]
“Longtime Uber-Lobbyist” Helped Burnish Reputations of Some of the World’s Worst Tyrants.” “Longtime uber-lobbyist Charles R. Black Jr. is John McCain’s man in Washington, a political maestro who is hoping to guide his friend, the senator from Arizona, to the presidency this November. But for half a decade in the 1980s, Black was also Jonas Savimbi’s man in the capital city. His lobbying firm received millions from the brutal Angolan guerrilla leader and took advantage of Black’s contacts in Congress and the White House.” [Washington Post, 5/22/08]
Black’s Client List a Whose Who of Repressive Rulers. “In addition to Savimbi, Black and his partners were at times registered foreign agents for a remarkable collection of U.S.-backed foreign leaders whose human rights records were sometimes harshly criticized, even as their opposition to communism was embraced by American conservatives. They included Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos, Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire, Nigerian Gen. Ibrahim Babangida, Somali President Mohamed Siad Barre, and the countries of Kenya and Equatorial Guinea, among others.” [Washington Post, 5/22/08]

 

[Charles_Main]

Yes yes, McCain Flip Flops, and Obama Revises. LOL, keep drinking the Koolaide people.

 

[busara]

Yes yes, McCain Flip Flops, and Obama Revises. LOL, keep drinking the Koolaide people.

are people so absorbed in their party they cant say that their candidate flipflops along with the other candidate? i dont understand the hatred people carry toward the partys that arent their own

 

[Charles_Main]

We are all a bunch of Lemmings eating up the Act Both candidates are putting on for us. If we had any brains at all , we would all vote 3rd party simply to tell these Assholes in Both Parties we have had enough of their game.