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[Modbert]

"even" me?

I am not a republican, I have said that 50 times. ayers has nothing to do with why i am not voting for obama. I thought we were talking about it now
for philosophy's sake.

I never saw anywhere when we were talking about it for "Philosophy's sake."

I pose this question to you though, do you hang out with any convicted felons who have served their time?

If not, would you?

 

[Annie]

Again, what serious reasons would be there to look at their serving on the same Antipoverty Charity board together?

I don't know? What was the philosophy behind the Antipoverty Charity board? Did you know there was an ACORN connection there? Hmmm....

 

[Modbert]

I don't know? What was the philosophy behind the Antipoverty Charity board? Did you know there was an ACORN connection there? Hmmm....

So your saying back when he was on that board, they were planning THEN that in 2008 they would rob the election supposedly?

I figured the philosophy on a board that is Charity to help solve poverty and get rid of it.

 

[Annie]

So your saying back when he was on that board, they were planning THEN that in 2008 they would rob the election supposedly?

I figured the philosophy on a board that is Charity to help solve poverty and get rid of it.

ACORN is about way more than just vote fraud, they have real ties to the housing price collapse we are now suffering through...

Like I said, it takes a lot of reading.

 

[elvis]

I never saw anywhere when we were talking about it for "Philosophy's sake."

I pose this question to you though, do you hang out with any convicted felons who have served their time?

If not, would you?

A. i thought after a while it was for the sake of argument, it's a game I like to play.

B. it would depend on what they did. i used to hang out with a guy who got drunk and smashed a woman's car and injured her. he then fled the scene. he was supposed to get three years but the woman wanted him to go to bootcamp instead. I hung out with him, but i wouldn't want him in my home. not because of that crime, but because he was unpredictable in other ways.
I dont think i would hang out with someone who was happy about 9/11, ayers, or not.

 

[Modbert]

A. i thought after a while it was for the sake of argument, it's a game I like to play.

B. it would depend on what they did. i used to hang out with a guy who got drunk and smashed a woman's car and injured her. he then fled the scene. he was supposed to get three years but the woman wanted him to go to bootcamp instead. I hung out with him, but i wouldn't want him in my home. not because of that crime, but because he was unpredictable in other ways.
I dont think i would hang out with someone who was happy about 9/11, ayers, or not.

A.) I didn't realize this.

B.) Exactly, you wouldn't hang out with someone you wouldn't want to be friends with anyway. It's the stock and personality of the person.

Obama wouldn't be hanging out with terrorists like Osama Bin Laden. What you said for B could be applied for Ayers.

 

[elvis]

A.) I didn't realize this.

B.) Exactly, you wouldn't hang out with someone you wouldn't want to be friends with anyway. It's the stock and personality of the person.

Obama wouldn't be hanging out with terrorists like Osama Bin Laden. What you said for B could be applied for Ayers.

I dont think ayers and bin laden are on the same level. I can see being on a board with ayers but I dont know if that is the extent of the relationship. The Wright connection is more troubling to me because that was clearly a close relationship. Going to a church means you respect the pastor. Wright isn't someone to be respected. plus i think they were closer than most churchgoers and their pastor.

 

[Annie]

I dont think ayers and bin laden are on the same level. I can see being on a board with ayers but I dont know if that is the extent of the relationship. The Wright connection is more troubling to me because that was clearly a close relationship. Going to a church means you respect the pastor. Wright isn't someone to be respected. plus i think they were closer than most churchgoers and their pastor.

I find Wright, Ayers axis with Obama equally troubling for much the same reasons. It's their philosophy. It may be the Rezko connection that will nail him eventually, but that was about $$$. Much easier to understand.

 

[elvis]

I find Wright, Ayers axis with Obama equally troubling for much the same reasons. It's their philosophy. It may be the Rezko connection that will nail him eventually, but that was about $$$. Much easier to understand.

what is the connection between ayers and obama besides being on a charity board?

 

[jillian]

and the stuff you've posted about Sarah Palin has all been factual, no opinions or conjectures? You haven't tried to make people hate mccain and palin because of Palin's belefs? no left wing spew has come out of your posts?
If you don't like the "garbage" people are posting, maybe you should have Obama explain the connections to Wright and Ayers.

How is what working for me? I don't work for McCain's campaign.

I didn't mean to blaspheme Lord Obama.

now go look at your comment... the bold part is the difference between holding people accountable for THEIR beliefs and holding people accountable for the beliefs of OTHERS.

It's the guilt by association thing that you guys like so much which is so stupid.

as for inaccuracy. Personally, other than my initial error about sawah herself being part of the separatist group rather than the first dude...

sawah just told them they're doing a great job.

and i don't know why this obsession with the right wingnuts about "messiah"... or "lord obama" or other ignorant stupidity. but for me he's just better than eight more years of the same imbeciles who broke everything for the last 8 years.

so don't attribute YOUR worship of your pols to me.

 

[Annie]

what is the connection between ayers and obama besides being on a charity board?

I spent quite a bit of time yesterday on that, do a search.

 

[Annie]

what is the connection between ayers and obama besides being on a charity board?

As I said earlier, I don't see any reason for me to bring up sources and connections made earlier. If one really cares to know the nexis, one would look.

Saw this in the Tribune today:



Daley reins in radicals — the Chicago Way -- chicagotribune.com
chicagotribune.com

Daley reins in radicals — the Chicago Way

John Kass

5:26 PM CDT, October 11, 2008

Turn on the TV news when John McCain is picking up undecided voters by invoking Barack Obama's relationship with unrepentant American terrorist William Ayers and, invariably, some liberal talking head will sniff in disgust and say Ayers is no big deal where Obama comes from.

Unfortunately, that's true. Ayers is a terrorist. But this is Chicago.

Obama and Ayers are neighbors and they worked together on school issues with the same foundation. Obama's political coming-out party was held in Ayers' living room when Obama was running for his first political office.

And the boss of Chicago is Mayor Richard Daley. Mayor Shortshanks has thrown his protective embrace around both men. These are facts.

But the reason Ayers is not a big deal in Chicago has to do with the Chicago Way, and the left fork of that road that has been bought and paid for by the Daley machine, subsidized by taxpayers who foot the bill for public relations contracts from City Hall.

The new Daley machine is much more sophisticated than his father's. And the stereotype of knuckle-draggers and wiseguys—they're still around, and there are jobs on the city payroll for those who work the precincts.

Yet what's often ignored is that their university-educated cousins get city contracts to spin the news and shape the symbolism and tell out-of-town reporters that Ayers is no big deal. They won't bite the hand that feeds them. For an examination of the Daley spin machine—and its cost to taxpayers—please see Tribune reporter Dan Mihalopoulos' story in the Sunday editions.

One friend of Obama and Ayers is former '60s radical Marilyn Katz, now an Obama fundraiser, strategist and public relations maven. She's often a go-to quote for reporters to knock down the Ayers-Obama story.

"What Bill Ayers and [former Black Panther, now U.S. Rep.] Bobby Rush . . . did 40 years ago has nothing to do with [the presidential campaign]," Katz was quoted as saying in the Chicago Sun-Times in April. "[Ayers] has a national reputation. He lectures at Harvard [University] and Vassar [College]."

What that story and many other pro-Obama articles gloss over is that during the violent protests of the 1968 Democratic National Convention here, Katz was the security chief for the radical Students for a Democratic Society. She once advocated throwing studded nails in front of police cars, back in the SDS days when the group was alleged to have thrown cellophane bags full of human excrement at cops and cans of urine and golf balls impaled with nails.

How things change.

Under this Daley, her firm, MK Communications, has many city deals, and one involves public relations for the Chicago Police Department's community policing program. From nails to contracts, the Chicago Way. Apparently, irony was not a '60s thing.

Now, as Daley prepares to lay off more than 1,000 city workers, he's given Katz and other public relations firms five-year contracts that could pay them as much as $5 million each for consulting, advertising and promotion.

Getting in good with Daley hasn't been bad for business. She also lists as her clients Daley's Chicago Housing Authority, Daley's City Colleges, Daley's city Law Department, and Daley's Departments of Aviation, Environment, Housing, Human Services, Planning and Development, Public Health, Public Works, Streets and Sanitation, Intergovernmental Affairs, Special Events—the list goes on.

Clearly, if she wasn't a good soldier for Shortshanks her list of clients would be quite small. Katz is often aggravating, but she's also funny and smart, so I called her to submit my theory: That by buying off the political left—through PR contracts to Katz, through his own support for Ayers—Daley maintains control over message and symbolism.

"I don't see it that way," said Katz. "As kids, our issues were schools, the environment, housing—and these things are the same things that the mayor cares about. So we have this in common. The agendas that drove us pulled us together. It's about respect for each other's point of view, not what we did when we were 19."

On Ayers and Obama, Katz still insists it isn't a story.

"Bill and I were in different parts of SDS. We disagreed on tactics. Bill has spent his entire life contributing to the betterment of society. That's all I can say about Bill," she said.

Happily, I beg to differ. Ayers is a terrorist—the narcissistic son of privilege and clout—whose father, Thomas, was the boss of Commonwealth Edison and a friend of the late Mayor Richard J. Daley. As a leader of the ultraviolent Weather Underground, Ayers admitted to helping bomb the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s. He should have been sent to prison. Instead, Chicago political clout allowed him and his wife, fellow radical Bernardine Dohrn, to magically join the payrolls of universities here.

Obama says he was 8 years old when the bombs went off. But he was a grown man when he sought Ayers' political blessing, and when they worked on the same education projects.

"They're friends. So what?" Mayor Daley said in August.

He's the boss and the master spinner. So it must not be a story.

 

[elvis]

now go look at your comment... the bold part is the difference between holding people accountable for THEIR beliefs and holding people accountable for the beliefs of OTHERS.

It's the guilt by association thing that you guys like so much which is so stupid.

as for inaccuracy. Personally, other than my initial error about sawah herself being part of the separatist group rather than the first dude...

sawah just told them they're doing a great job.

and i don't know why this obsession with the right wingnuts about "messiah"... or "lord obama" or other ignorant stupidity. but for me he's just better than eight more years of the same imbeciles who broke everything for the last 8 years.

so don't attribute YOUR worship of your pols to me.

I don't worship anyone. I get tired of people making excuses every time something fishy about Obama comes out.

 

[Modbert]

I don't worship anyone. I get tired of people making excuses every time something fishy about Obama comes out.

And where's your getting tired of people making excuses every time something fishy about McCain comes out?

 

[elvis]

And where's your getting tired of people making excuses every time something fishy about McCain comes out?

the first words out of someone's mouth when reverand wright is brought up is sarah palin. if mccain had sat under David Duke for 20 years, i sure as helll wouldnt be making excuses for him.

 

[Modbert]

the first words out of someone's mouth when reverand wright is brought up is sarah palin. if mccain had sat under David Duke for 20 years, i sure as helll wouldnt be making excuses for him.

Your avoiding my question, nice attempt at spin though.

 

[Annie]

And where's your getting tired of people making excuses every time something fishy about McCain comes out?

I hear lots of nothing coming out of McCain, but nothing 'fishy', would you care to elaborate? On the other hand, Obama has much fishy, his response is to not respond, sometimes deflect. That doesn't concern you?

 

[greenpartyaz]

I hear lots of nothing coming out of McCain, but nothing 'fishy', would you care to elaborate? On the other hand, Obama has much fishy, his response is to not respond, sometimes deflect. That doesn't concern you?

One thing I will say is that McCain has no class! Obama at least knows when to take the high road. McCain has been a puppet of the RNC for so long, that we don't know what he really supports. McCain has been repeating the RNC's hateful message for so long that the beast has overpowered the master!

 

[elvis]

Your avoiding my question, nice attempt at spin though.

what did you have in mind?

 

[elvis]

I hear lots of nothing coming out of McCain, but nothing 'fishy', would you care to elaborate? On the other hand, Obama has much fishy, his response is to not respond, sometimes deflect. That doesn't concern you?

why would it? Obama's going to save the country. you just committed blasphemy.