Mayor: Health care costs 'killing us' Richmond shops for new plan after 2011 claims

[Claudette]

Chill folks.

Obamacare is gonna make HC affordable and available to everyone.

Just ask Barry. He'll tell you how great and inexpensive its gonna be.

That is of course if the SC doesn't find it unconstitutional.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obamacare is gonna make HC affordable and available to everyone.

That's the spirit!

 

[Full-Auto]

Obamacare is gonna make HC affordable and available to everyone.

That's the spirit!

More freebees should really do the trick.

But the government subsidies will have a real impact.

 

[The T]

What free market as government has continued to provide mandates.

what mandates from 1995 are you speaking of?

Already moving the posts 5 years.

Thanks for playing.


You still have to explain how a free market works with government interference to boot.

That's just it. The Free-market is evil in thier feeble minds.

The government therefore should dictate from on high with cookie-cutter crap designed by bureaucrats beholden to no one.

They really should be careful for what they wish for and applaud...when thier choices as an individual are gone...companies that might have covered what thier needs are no longer exist...they will be the first ones in line protesting wondering what happened to thier 'choice' they thought they were getting.

 

[g5000]

They could always follow the Republican Plan:

"Let Him Die!"

And I'm sure deanie weanie that you have a link to said "Republican Plan"?

Sure.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PepQF7G-It0]Crowd Yells Let Him Die - YouTube[/ame]

That is not the Republican plan.

And the example in that video was a man who could afford insurance and chose not to buy it.

Does the taxpayer pay for your car if you don't buy auto insurance and then crash it?

So far, this is the only "Plan" I've seen.

Of course that is the only Republican plan you have seen. Because you are incapable of seeing one unless it happens to be on TV. You don't actually bother to LOOK for one. That takes actual effort!

The GOP had an alternate plan to ObamaCare. Do you even have a clue what was in it, or does it not exist unless it is on YouTube in your airhead world?

Got another one?

Well?

Well?

Thought so.

Thought wrong.

And I actually have several ideas to bend the cost curve of health care down. Shiiiiiiit, I'm chock full of ideas how to do it.

First, raise the retirement age. We are living longer, we should be working longer.

When Social Security was enacted in 1935, and the retirement age was set at 65, the average life expectancy was 60. And only 6 percent of Americans were over 65.

The Left screams when the minimum wage isn't raised for a decade, but no one has screamed that the retirement age hasn't been changed since it was set 77 years ago! Even though the percentage of Americans over 65 has literally doubled since then.

If you work five years longer, then that is five years more you are paying into the system, and five years less you are drawing out of it.

Right now, you work for 47 years and live off the government tit for 13 years.

Raise the retirement age to 70 and you work for 53 years and live off the government tit for 8 years.

Huge savings on Medicare alone.


Next, get rid of employer-provided health insurance. This was an invention of labor unions about three quarters of a century ago, and it has been bending the cost curve up ever since.

You should be buying your health insurance the same way you buy your auto, home, and life insurance. And this way, if you want your birth control covered, well by golly you can pay for that option! No one can tell you otherwise. God bless America!

And you should be able to buy your insurance across state lines from any insurance company you like, just like you do with auto, home, and life insurance. Competition is a good thing.


If you lose your job, who pays your auto insurance? No one. Gasp! But...but...but what if you crash your car?

If you lose your job, who pays your home insurance? No one. Gasp! But...but...but what if your house burns down?

If you lose your job, who pays your life insurance? No one. Gasp! But...but...but what if you die?

Health insurance should be treated exactly like any other insurance.

Gasp! But...but...but what if you end up in a coma?

Aren't appeals to emotion logical fallacies grand? They help us to keep driving up the cost of health care so we can then roll out the cancer lady to help us appeal to more emotion to get the government to do something about it which will drive up health care costs even more.

Time to break out of the stupid, vicious cycle.

So that is what I have for starters.

 

[Syphon]

what mandates from 1995 are you speaking of?

Already moving the posts 5 years.

Thanks for playing.


You still have to explain how a free market works with government interference to boot.

That's just it. The Free-market is evil in thier feeble minds.

The government therefore should dictate from on high with cookie-cutter crap designed by bureaucrats beholden to no one.

They really should be careful for what they wish for and applaud...when thier choices as an individual are gone...companies that might have covered what thier needs are no longer exist...they will be the first ones in line protesting wondering what happened to thier 'choice' they thought they were getting.

prove that the free market has driven down costs when it comes to health care

what choices are being taken away with the health care law? this puts to private insurer out of business, it does not create a single payer system to compete with the private health care market. you lying to yourself if you think your personal choices are being taken away.

 

[Full-Auto]

Already moving the posts 5 years.

Thanks for playing.


You still have to explain how a free market works with government interference to boot.

That's just it. The Free-market is evil in thier feeble minds.

The government therefore should dictate from on high with cookie-cutter crap designed by bureaucrats beholden to no one.

They really should be careful for what they wish for and applaud...when thier choices as an individual are gone...companies that might have covered what thier needs are no longer exist...they will be the first ones in line protesting wondering what happened to thier 'choice' they thought they were getting.

prove that the free market has driven down costs when it comes to health care

Prove there is a free market in insurance!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Syphon]

That's just it. The Free-market is evil in thier feeble minds.

The government therefore should dictate from on high with cookie-cutter crap designed by bureaucrats beholden to no one.

They really should be careful for what they wish for and applaud...when thier choices as an individual are gone...companies that might have covered what thier needs are no longer exist...they will be the first ones in line protesting wondering what happened to thier 'choice' they thought they were getting.

prove that the free market has driven down costs when it comes to health care

Prove there is a free market in insurance!!!!!!!!!!

prove there isnt. youre the one making the claim that the government control all aspects of the health insurance market, no me. so prove it.

 

[Full-Auto]

prove that the free market has driven down costs when it comes to health care

Prove there is a free market in insurance!!!!!!!!!!

prove there isnt.

Government interference does the job. Or the fact that crossing state lines is shall we say frowned upon.


This would be much better if you had any real insight.

 

[Syphon]

Prove there is a free market in insurance!!!!!!!!!!

prove there isnt.

Government interference does the job. Or the fact that crossing state lines is shall we say frowned upon.


This would be much better if you had any real insight.

again... what government interference from the 90's would you be talking about?

youve been ranting for like 10 posts now, and havent been able to provide one example. so either your a liar, or your just really bad at debating.

 

[Full-Auto]

prove there isnt.

Government interference does the job. Or the fact that crossing state lines is shall we say frowned upon.


This would be much better if you had any real insight.

again... what government interference from the 90's would you be talking about?

Why are you fixated on the 90s. Is that where you think you have your best shot?

There are no less then 50 insurance commissioners. which makes talking to you absolutely pointless.

 

[g5000]

Prove there is a free market in insurance!!!!!!!!!!

prove there isnt. youre the one making the claim that the government control all aspects of the health insurance market, no me. so prove it.

You cannot buy health insurance across state lines. Some states have reciprocal agreements with each other, but you cannot buy your health insurance the same way you can buy your auto insurance.

Selling Health Insurance Across State Lines: A Race to the Bottom?

Allowing individuals to purchase health insurance from out of state would certainly make for a more robust, competitive health insurance market. Individuals would no longer be stuck with dwindling in-state options for health plans, which means that many residents in states with abnormally high insurance premiums would be able to buy insurance from states where prices are less expensive.

Now, in many cases, those premium prices are less expensive because they’re saddled with fewer state-level insurance mandates. According to insurance industry data, state mandates can add anywhere from 30-50 percent to the price of an insurance premium, so states with more mandates tend to have more expensive premiums. Allowing the purchase of health insurance across state lines would allow individuals to circumvent those mandates and purchase insurance from states that have fewer requirements.

 

[Trajan]

Haven't they disowned everything that made it into Obama's reforms? Kind of rules out the vast majority of that link.

Whom are they...Let us climb over that hurdle first...

The right, but more specifically the GOP.

I haven't heard any of them acknowledge that there's a tremendous amount in Obama's ACA that they like, including provisions Paul Ryan and others had incorporated into their own health reform proposals shortly before the ACA was unveiled. Are you willing to admit that?

as long as you're willing to admit that there were sane voices at say the new republic among others who found a lot to like in Ryans plan too.

 

[initforme]

Lets just let the free market do its thing without gov't interference.....for the rich that is.

 

[The T]

Whom are they...Let us climb over that hurdle first...

The right, but more specifically the GOP.

I haven't heard any of them acknowledge that there's a tremendous amount in Obama's ACA that they like, including provisions Paul Ryan and others had incorporated into their own health reform proposals shortly before the ACA was unveiled. Are you willing to admit that?

as long as you're willing to admit that there were sane voices at say the new republic among others who found a lot to like in Ryans plan too.

Ryan's plan addresses the pain ALL are going to have to endure if we are to correct our course to bring down the deficit...curb spending...Some seek status quo and more debt.

We cannot endure it much longer as Greece be our course.

 

[Syphon]

Government interference does the job. Or the fact that crossing state lines is shall we say frowned upon.


This would be much better if you had any real insight.

again... what government interference from the 90's would you be talking about?

Why are you fixated on the 90s. Is that where you think you have your best shot?

There are no less then 50 insurance commissioners. which makes talking to you absolutely pointless.

I said health care costs have increased 10 fold since 1990 due to the free market. U claimed it increased due to regulations. I simply want u to point out which regulations from the 90's caused the increase. Apparently u can't remember what you posted in this thread. So tell us all what regulation hampered the free market during the 90's cause prices to increase so dramatically.

And btw the Health care allows you to buy insurance across state lines now. Man that's such a terrible idea we should repeal that