CDZ Maybe Those "Evil" Rich People Will Save Us?

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    Part of the cost being driven up is the fault of the medical community too. Bad doctors and so much of the crap being sold should be put away but many times they aren't. Common sense should rule peoples minds but then once you are sick or hurt to the point that you need to go to a doctor your mind isn't in tip top shape so you must depend on someone else for help. I have seen so many things at this point that are utterly disgusting in the insurance, legal and medical fields I don't put much stock in any of them. When I started looking at FDA, EPA, plus the other agencies back in 2007 and what they have let get into the system for the sake commerce that is affecting peoples lives/health it infuriated me. Now in the past two years I learn that I suffered through surgeries that could have been prevented I am even more aggravated at the whole medical community and their insurance companies. If Congress and judges are going to continue giving the chemical companies, big pharma and big agra a free pass the people as a whole do not have much of a chance at staying healthy. If Congress is not willing to put the brakes on and clean up the whole what good does any of it do for the people to have them there in offices in DC or anywhere else in government to represent them?
     
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    This is true and one of the reasons that tort reform also needs to be part of the process. A doctor should not be subject to lawsuit if he/she fails to order a test or procedure that is not medically indicated upon examination. And a 'take only as directed' order on the medicine bottle should be sufficient to protect the manufacturer or seller from lawsuit if the patient abuses that medication and suffers harm because of it.

    And while the FDA needs to be diligent in banning or providing strong warnings re potentially dangerous products--and yes the government should enact regulations to punish those who engage in illegal/harmful acts--we also need to protect manufacturers from lawsuit should the product be misused or there was an undetectable side effect that surfaces. If they hide defects or perils they know exist, the book should be thrown at them. But if reasonable and honest testing did not produce knowledge of that peril, they should not be held liable.

    That would greatly bring down the costs of doing business that would result in lower healthcare costs.
     
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    Reasonable and honest is the key. For doctors or any medical professional of any kind that intentionally lies to patients they should be totally banned from any medical practice of any kind forever and be held fully personally responsible, losing anything that they have gained financially with their deceptive practices.

    I haven't gotten over the insurance company and their doctor attempting to poison me further with drugs after the chemical exposure. I doubt I will let that one go as they were both a menace to a lot of people that were hurt on the job that needed help. Forgiveness would be one thing if they had any regrets but the fact is they have enriched themselves over other people miseries and as far as I am concerned they should be financially stripped and the people who they damaged should be compensated.
     
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    Yeah...they were totally transparent.
    Obamacare architect: We passed law due to ‘stupidity of the American voter’
     
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    And we got healthcare thats too expensive to use...whata deal!!
     
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    There are studies that suggest the health outcomes of those with Medicaid is little better if at all than the uninsured.
     
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    Foxfyre, have you ever fished in the ocean and caught a fish or seen a fish that has fishing lines around it? When we were down in the Everglades I saw several Porpoises and larger fish that had deep scars where fishing lines had been wrap on them for a good while. Their skin envelopes the fish lines and distorts area where the lines are. If you wrap up an area anywhere on a growing living being with any material eventually that material will either rot or the tissue will encompass the materials. Now picture in your mind a company selling mesh products to put inside of humans. One of my mom's friends was telling me about her mesh surgery prior to all the lawsuits starting for the damage this crap did to so many women who were foolish enough to believe the doctors that sold them that crap. The poor woman was absolutely miserable and she had bought the whole 'we're gonna make you better' scam. As I sat there listening to her story I could recall clearly those large Porpoises that looked so miserable with that fishing line wrapped around them.
     
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    And I'm supposed to care about their healthcare problems when I have my own due to their seeming inability to function in society?
    This is a life and death thing,dont expect those of us who work and pay our own way to feel sorry for someone who doesn't.
     
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    That is because people on Medicaid use the urgent care centers and emergency rooms at the same rate as the uninsured. Those with Medicaid MIGHT be a little better off because they MIGHT get periodic checkups which the uninsured usually don't.

    These days, and Obamacare is partially responsible, most people HAVE to use the urgent care centers or E.R. because their doctor is unable or unwilling to work in sick or injured people among all the routine exams. And as yet, my regular doctor has not caught any medical issues that I eventually wound up in urgent care or E.R. to have treated.
     
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    I suspect there are an awful lot of people who don't want to see a doctor for periodic checkups whether they're insured or not. Some school districts require your kids to get some kind of checkup before the school year starts I think, but I'm guessing most people wait until they have a problem before they see a doctor. And a lot of them go the ER or an Urgent Care Facility. IOW, I think the benefits for HC prevention is overestimated.
     
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