CDZ Maybe Those "Evil" Rich People Will Save Us?

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    I had to chuckle when I ran across this article. All our complaining about a feckless Congress that can't or won't get anything done has apparently fallen on deaf ears. Congress doesn't try to get much done actually. The status quo serves them personally much better than actually doing something.

    So now we have the super rich, mega donor crowd chiming in. And they threaten to close the donor bank if Congress doesn't get off its rear end, repeal Obamacare, and reform taxes. They know full well there is a limited time to do that before the 2018 campaign is in high gear.

    And all I can say to that is "right on!"

    Donors to GOP: No cash until action on health care, taxes
     
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    A prudent choice. Society has been losing way too many good doctors also over the mess that they created with their ACA.

    I did some more sleuthing on some of the connections in that whole take out in the mining affair the other day. It was very interesting the connections I found between New Castle and Virgin. I'm guessing at this point but I would imagine some of the big players in the insurance industry for ACA will tie in there too.
     
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    How so?
     
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    While you may say "right on," people who recognize that money is what drives much, too much actually, of all policy actions and positions will see the announcement as just one more indicator of the corrupting influence money has in the American political and legislative process. People of principle and integrity who decry the political influence of "big money" will object to money's controlling influence regardless of whether it is used to advance matters they support or those they oppose; thus they will also not espouse a "right on" view of the the mega-rich's ultimatum/quid pro quo of which you write.
     
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    The permanent political class in Washington exists for its own benefit, not ours. They arrive in Washington usually moderately well to do. When they leave, they are mostly 1 percenters. They use their office to increase their personal influence, power, and personal wealth. And they maintain the status quo so that nothing interferes with their ability to be self-serving. Somebody like President Trump who actually wants to accomplish something good for the country threatens their very existence.

    They throw us just enough bones to keep us voting for them. The only difference in Republicans and Democrats for the most part are the bases that they serve and therefore they throw different kinds of bones to their base.

    But, if the big money guys they depend on to maintain their lifestyles and ambitions give them problems, and that should catch on, they might have to start doing their jobs and become public servants. What an effing nightmare!!!!! Yes?
     
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    Everyone of them that has let themselves be compromised needs to step down. Then each and everyone going in needs to do it for the right reasons to actually serve the people and not plan on making it a lifelong career move.
     
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    As Peter Schweizer's book EXTORTION brilliantly demonstrated, it works both ways. Big business in America pays off the Congress to maintain the status quo--Congress dangles attractive legislation and suggests its passage depends on big money donors or it dangles harmful legislation and suggests that taking it off the table depends on big money donors. They don't say that in so many words of course, but everybody knows how the game is played. That is why so many of the big businesses contribute to both parties.

    Those who benefit more from big government and government programs give more to Democrats. Those who benefit from less government interference give more to Republicans. But don't pretend they aren't aware of what government is doing and how it will affect them.

    And now we may have a game changer if this new trend of patriotic rich start demanding that Congress do what is right or else.

    If it catches on we might actually regain our government of the people and start electing more true public servants who are less susceptible to being 'bought'.
     
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    Certainly those whose healthcare is government subsidized, i.e. by the taxpayer, want those subsidies to continue. Certainly those receiving free healthcare want to continue to get free healthcare. Certainly those who don't have any clue what the ACA has done to the country believe at least some of those who tell them that the reform will throw millions out of their healthcare plans and kill babies and old people and drown puppies.

    A poll is only as good as who they poll. And the media, most especially left wing advocates such as Business Insider, are going to promote the idea that Republicans are evil and the Democrats are wonderful to protect Obamacare that most Americans despise.

    With almost no objective publicity re what the Republicans are proposing, I am not surprised that so many Americans have no idea what they are proposing but believe the negative press.

    I have no doubt that some things in the Republican proposal won't work out as intended. I am also confident that they will leave open ways to fine tune, amend, ad to, and correct what they pass.

    For sure Obamacare is imploding under its own weight. And all projections are that there will be another massive increase in premiums this year if something isn't done. And those who have been priced out of their insurance are likely to vote very differently than those who are having theirs furnished for them.
     
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    Part of the problem with the ACA is the Republican majority has steadfastedly refused to consider any proposed legislation to fix it with the express desire that they want it to fail. Any piece of large comprehensive legislation requires tweaks and fixes as it moves along. ACA is no different in that regard.

    What most people want is affordable health care. The new proposal is not going to provide it, and in fact will have the opposite effect. It's also disturbing to see subsidies and medicaire expansions traded in exchange for huge tax cuts for the wealthy.

    You talk people referring to"evil" rich people...but it seems as if the other side is demonizing poor people.
     
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