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Annie

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Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...
 
I like the cut of your jib. Barack Obama thinks this is Cuba or Venezuela. He thinks he can manage people's misery by throwing them a loaf of bread, or healthcare, and his self-aggrandisement and lashing out at an enemy of the state du jour will carry him the rest of the way.
 
I like the cut of your jib. Barack Obama thinks this is Cuba or Venezuela. He thinks he can manage people's misery by throwing them a loaf of bread, or healthcare, and his self-aggrandisement and lashing out at an enemy of the state du jour will carry him the rest of the way.

Course he does. That's why he wants to shut down conservative talk radio, so that he can personally address the people each week with his own liberal double talk and lies, just like chauves wanted to do. He's no different than any other little two bit, third world, dictator, and he's trying to run America just like it's a little third world shit hole. He's been doing a pretty good job of it lately too. He's fucked this country worse in his first 100 days than all the rest of our Presidents combined. We need a revolution.
 
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I like the cut of your jib. Barack Obama thinks this is Cuba or Venezuela. He thinks he can manage people's misery by throwing them a loaf of bread, or healthcare, and his self-aggrandisement and lashing out at an enemy of the state du jour will carry him the rest of the way.

Course he does. That's why he wants to shut down conservative talk radio, so that he can personally address the people each week with his own liberal double talk and lies, just like chauves wanted to do. He's no different than any other little two bit, third world, dictator, and he's trying to run America just like it's a little third world shit hole. He's been doing a pretty good job of it lately too. He's fucked this country worse in his first 100 days than all the rest of our Presidents combined. We need a revolution.

<whispers> The password is "thug".
 
Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...

I'd LOVE to see some threads where conservatives are focused on issues, and NOT on bashing Obama. Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

The first two responses were, surprise surprise, bashing Obama and hardly issue-oriented.
 
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Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...

I'd LOVE to see some threads where conservatives are focused on issues, and NOT on bashing Obama. Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

The first two responses were, surprise surprise, bashing Obama and hardly issue-oriented.

I believe this is what conservatives refer to as a "circle jerk."
 
obamama is very unsophisticated as a leader.. if he were more sophisticated he would be for all the people not just democwats and he would not spew/spout stuff from the KOS,,
 
Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...

Nice try Annie but your mates on the right let you down - they immediately went into personal attack! :lol:
 
if the republicans had focused on issues instead of avenging daddy ....then perhaps we wouldnt be in this mess...but here we are....8 yrs of republican bullshit got us here..
 
Republicans are idiots.

Most of the solutions to our problems are progressive ones.
 
[quoteSeems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons][/quote]

Right, that's why Rush and Gingrich are your current spokespersons.


Conservatives are the party of no - nothing - nada. That could be the reason they got their asses handed to them in the last two election.

Their current focus on Sotomayor is truly issue oriented.:lol::eek::cuckoo:
 
Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...

I'd LOVE to see some threads where conservatives are focused on issues, and NOT on bashing Obama. Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

The first two responses were, surprise surprise, bashing Obama and hardly issue-oriented.

Let's start with agreeing on what it is we'd like to actually "conserve" :eusa_think:

The constitution, national security, personal freedom, personal responsibility, equal opportunity, justice for all, our economy, our environment, our infrastructure...
 
Their current focus on Sotomayor is truly issue oriented.:lol::eek::cuckoo:

Well, it IS the Supreme Court! :rolleyes:




Cases Reviewed by the Supreme Court

&#8226; Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008) -- decision pending as of 5/26/2009

&#8226; Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007) -- reversed 6-3 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg)

&#8226; Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006) -- upheld, but reasoning was unanimously faulted

&#8226; Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005) -- reversed 8-0

&#8226; Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005) -- Upheld 5-4 (Dissenting: Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, Alito)

&#8226; Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000) -- reversed 5-4 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer)

&#8226; Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997) -- reversed 7-2 (Dissenting: Stevens, Breyer)

&#8226; Affirmative Action (New Haven firefighter case): Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel that ruled in February 2008 to uphold a lower court decision supporting the City of New Haven's decision to throw out the results of an exam to determine promotions within the city's fire department. Only one Hispanic and no African-American firefighters qualified for promotion based on the exam; the City subsequently decided not to certify the results and issued no promotions. In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority to deny a rehearing of the case by the full court. The Supreme Court agreed to review the case and heard oral arguments in April 2009. Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008)

&#8226; Environment (Protection of fish at power plants): Sotomayor, writing for a three-judge panel, ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency may not engage in a cost-benefit analysis in implementing a rule that the "best technology available" must be used to limit the environmental impact of power plants on nearby aquatic life. The case involved power plants that draw water from lakes and rivers for cooling purposes, killing various fish and aquatic organisms in the process. Sotomayor ruled that the "best technology" regulation did not allow the EPA to weigh the cost of implementing the technology against the overall environmental benefit when issuing its rules. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 6-3 decision, saying that Sotomayor's interpretation of the "best technology" rule was too narrow. Justices Stevens, Souter, and Ginsburg dissented, siding with Sotomayor's position. Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007)

&#8226; Taxes (Deductability of trust fees): In 2006, Sotomayor upheld a lower tax court ruling that certain types of fees paid by a trust are only partly tax deductable. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's decision but unanimously rejected the reasoning she adopted, saying that her approach "flies in the face of the statutory language." Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006)

&#8226; Finance (Rights of investors to sue firms in state court): In a 2005 ruling, Sotomayor overturned a lower court decision and allowed investors to bring certain types of fraud lawsuits against investment firms in state court rather than in federal court. The lower court had agreed with the defendant Merrill Lynch's argument that the suits were invalid because the Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act of 1998 required that such suits be brought only in federal court. The Supreme Court unanimously overturned Sotomayor's ruling in an 8-0 decision, saying that the federal interest in overseeing securities market cases prevails, and that doing otherwise could give rise to "wasteful, duplicative litigation." Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005)

&#8226; Health Insurance (Reimbursement of insurance benefits): In 2005, Sotomayor ruled against a health insurance company that sued the estate of a deceased federal employee who received $157,000 in insurance benefits as the result of an injury. The wife of the federal employee had won $3.2 million in a separate lawsuit from those whom she claimed caused her husband's injuries. The health insurance company sued for reimbursement of the benefits paid to the federal employee, saying that a provision in the federal insurance plan requires paid benefits to be reimbursed when the beneficiary is compensated for an injury by a third party. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 opinion. Justices Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, and Alito dissented. Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005)

&#8226; Civil Rights (Right to sue federal government and its agents): Sotomayor, writing for the court in 2000, supported the right of an individual to sue a private corporation working on behalf of the federal government for alleged violations of that individual's constitutional rights. Reversing a lower court decision, Sotomayor found that an existing law, known as "Bivens," which allows suits against individuals working for the federal government for constitutional rights violations, could be applied to the case of a former prisoner seeking to sue the private company operating the federal halfway house facility in which he resided. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 decision, saying that the Bivens law could not be expanded to cover private entities working on behalf of the federal government. Justices Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer dissented, siding with Sotomayor's original ruling. Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000)

&#8226; Intellectual Property (Distribution of freelance material): As a district court judge in 1997, Sotomayor heard a case brought by a group of freelance journalists who asserted that various news organizations, including the New York Times, violated copyright laws by reproducing the freelancers' work on electronic databases and archives such as "Lexis/Nexis" without first obtaining their permission. Sotomayor ruled against the freelancers and said that publishers were within their rights as outlined by the 1976 Copyright Act. The appellate court reversed Sotomayor's decision, siding with the freelancers, and the Supreme Court upheld the appellate decision (therefore rejecting Sotomayor's original ruling). Justices Stevens and Breyer dissented, taking Sotomayor's position. Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997)

Other Notable Cases

&#8226; Abortion (Mexico City policy): Sotomayor ruled against an abortion rights group in its challenge to the so-called "Mexico City Policy," which states that nations that receive U.S. funds may neither perform nor promote abortions. The abortion rights advocates alleged that the policy violated their First Amendment, due process, and equal protection rights. Sotomayor upheld a lower court ruling dismissing the case, saying that the group's First Amendment rights had not been violated and that it had not been denied due process. On the equal protection claim, Sotomayor wrote, "The Supreme Court has made clear that the government is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds." Sotomayor did not address the underlying abortion issue. Center for Reproductive Law and Policy vs. Bush, 304 F.3d 183 (2002)

&#8226; Major League Baseball Strike: As a district court judge, Sotomayor issued an injunction against team owners for alleged violations of the National Labor Relations Act during collective bargaining negotiations with the MLB players association. The owners had sought to end the system of free agency and salary arbitration and imposed a lock-out against players as negotiations began to break down. The ruling ended the longest baseball strike in history. National Labor Relations Board vs. Major League Baseball, 880 F. Supp. 246 (1995)
Sotomayor's resume, record on notable cases - CNN.com

Looks like four were overturned?
 
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obamama is very unsophisticated as a leader.. if he were more sophisticated he would be for all the people not just democwats and he would not spew/spout stuff from the KOS,,

This must count as one of the "issue" posts that Annie was referring to.





that is an issue,, a big issue,, you ever watch C-span?? :eusa_whistle::eusa_whistle:

That Obama gets his info from the DailyKos? Surely you jest. First, he doesn't (try the other way around, dear), and second, it is hardly an "issue" that C-Span would be bothered with even if suspected. They don't deal in RUMORS created by viral bloggers.
 
Their current focus on Sotomayor is truly issue oriented.:lol::eek::cuckoo:

Well, it IS the Supreme Court! :rolleyes:




Cases Reviewed by the Supreme Court

• Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008) -- decision pending as of 5/26/2009

• Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007) -- reversed 6-3 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg)

• Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006) -- upheld, but reasoning was unanimously faulted

• Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005) -- reversed 8-0

• Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005) -- Upheld 5-4 (Dissenting: Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, Alito)

• Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000) -- reversed 5-4 (Dissenting: Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer)

• Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997) -- reversed 7-2 (Dissenting: Stevens, Breyer)

• Affirmative Action (New Haven firefighter case): Sotomayor was part of a three-judge panel that ruled in February 2008 to uphold a lower court decision supporting the City of New Haven's decision to throw out the results of an exam to determine promotions within the city's fire department. Only one Hispanic and no African-American firefighters qualified for promotion based on the exam; the City subsequently decided not to certify the results and issued no promotions. In June 2008, Sotomayor was part of a 7-6 majority to deny a rehearing of the case by the full court. The Supreme Court agreed to review the case and heard oral arguments in April 2009. Ricci v. DeStefano 530 F.3d 87 (2008)

• Environment (Protection of fish at power plants): Sotomayor, writing for a three-judge panel, ruled that the Environmental Protection Agency may not engage in a cost-benefit analysis in implementing a rule that the "best technology available" must be used to limit the environmental impact of power plants on nearby aquatic life. The case involved power plants that draw water from lakes and rivers for cooling purposes, killing various fish and aquatic organisms in the process. Sotomayor ruled that the "best technology" regulation did not allow the EPA to weigh the cost of implementing the technology against the overall environmental benefit when issuing its rules. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 6-3 decision, saying that Sotomayor's interpretation of the "best technology" rule was too narrow. Justices Stevens, Souter, and Ginsburg dissented, siding with Sotomayor's position. Riverkeeper, Inc. vs. EPA, 475 F.3d 83 (2007)

• Taxes (Deductability of trust fees): In 2006, Sotomayor upheld a lower tax court ruling that certain types of fees paid by a trust are only partly tax deductable. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's decision but unanimously rejected the reasoning she adopted, saying that her approach "flies in the face of the statutory language." Knight vs. Commissioner, 467 F.3d 149 (2006)

• Finance (Rights of investors to sue firms in state court): In a 2005 ruling, Sotomayor overturned a lower court decision and allowed investors to bring certain types of fraud lawsuits against investment firms in state court rather than in federal court. The lower court had agreed with the defendant Merrill Lynch's argument that the suits were invalid because the Securities Litigation Uniform Standards Act of 1998 required that such suits be brought only in federal court. The Supreme Court unanimously overturned Sotomayor's ruling in an 8-0 decision, saying that the federal interest in overseeing securities market cases prevails, and that doing otherwise could give rise to "wasteful, duplicative litigation." Dabit vs. Merrill Lynch, 395 F.3d 25 (2005)

• Health Insurance (Reimbursement of insurance benefits): In 2005, Sotomayor ruled against a health insurance company that sued the estate of a deceased federal employee who received $157,000 in insurance benefits as the result of an injury. The wife of the federal employee had won $3.2 million in a separate lawsuit from those whom she claimed caused her husband's injuries. The health insurance company sued for reimbursement of the benefits paid to the federal employee, saying that a provision in the federal insurance plan requires paid benefits to be reimbursed when the beneficiary is compensated for an injury by a third party. The Supreme Court upheld Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 opinion. Justices Breyer, Kennedy, Souter, and Alito dissented. Empire Healthchoice Assurance, Inc. vs. McVeigh, 396 F.3d 136 (2005)

• Civil Rights (Right to sue federal government and its agents): Sotomayor, writing for the court in 2000, supported the right of an individual to sue a private corporation working on behalf of the federal government for alleged violations of that individual's constitutional rights. Reversing a lower court decision, Sotomayor found that an existing law, known as "Bivens," which allows suits against individuals working for the federal government for constitutional rights violations, could be applied to the case of a former prisoner seeking to sue the private company operating the federal halfway house facility in which he resided. The Supreme Court reversed Sotomayor's ruling in a 5-4 decision, saying that the Bivens law could not be expanded to cover private entities working on behalf of the federal government. Justices Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer dissented, siding with Sotomayor's original ruling. Malesko v. Correctional Services Corp., 299 F.3d 374 (2000)

• Intellectual Property (Distribution of freelance material): As a district court judge in 1997, Sotomayor heard a case brought by a group of freelance journalists who asserted that various news organizations, including the New York Times, violated copyright laws by reproducing the freelancers' work on electronic databases and archives such as "Lexis/Nexis" without first obtaining their permission. Sotomayor ruled against the freelancers and said that publishers were within their rights as outlined by the 1976 Copyright Act. The appellate court reversed Sotomayor's decision, siding with the freelancers, and the Supreme Court upheld the appellate decision (therefore rejecting Sotomayor's original ruling). Justices Stevens and Breyer dissented, taking Sotomayor's position. Tasini vs. New York Times, et al, 972 F. Supp. 804 (1997)

Other Notable Cases

• Abortion (Mexico City policy): Sotomayor ruled against an abortion rights group in its challenge to the so-called "Mexico City Policy," which states that nations that receive U.S. funds may neither perform nor promote abortions. The abortion rights advocates alleged that the policy violated their First Amendment, due process, and equal protection rights. Sotomayor upheld a lower court ruling dismissing the case, saying that the group's First Amendment rights had not been violated and that it had not been denied due process. On the equal protection claim, Sotomayor wrote, "The Supreme Court has made clear that the government is free to favor the anti-abortion position over the pro-choice position, and can do so with public funds." Sotomayor did not address the underlying abortion issue. Center for Reproductive Law and Policy vs. Bush, 304 F.3d 183 (2002)

• Major League Baseball Strike: As a district court judge, Sotomayor issued an injunction against team owners for alleged violations of the National Labor Relations Act during collective bargaining negotiations with the MLB players association. The owners had sought to end the system of free agency and salary arbitration and imposed a lock-out against players as negotiations began to break down. The ruling ended the longest baseball strike in history. National Labor Relations Board vs. Major League Baseball, 880 F. Supp. 246 (1995)
Sotomayor's resume, record on notable cases - CNN.com

Looks like four were overturned?

So how much of the context of the above cases has been discussed by the right wing noise machine? Perhaps a lambasting of her over the firefighter suit, but none of the others. No, they'd much rather act like little children and take a word or a sentence from her entire history and use THAT as ammunition. I rarely watch Keith Olberman, or anything else that time of day, but last night I happened to catch the very beginning of his show when he did an excellent montage of clips from the right wing chatterbox, which was hilarious. It put the whole thing in perspective of just how silly they are behaving.
 
Seems the Democrats/Liberals are going gaga over the conservatives tendency to focus on issues and not persons. I've actually seen some posts on busy threads saying just that, 'that the conservatives are focused on issues, not bashing Obama.' The polls are changing, on ideas. Not yet, personas. All want to give Obama a chance, but time is wearing thin...

I'd LOVE to see some threads where conservatives are focused on issues, and NOT on bashing Obama. Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

The first two responses were, surprise surprise, bashing Obama and hardly issue-oriented.
Why, so you could reply: but Bush... :lol:
 

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