Massive investment between Iran and Turkey

[ekrem]

Hello.
"South Pars" is the world's biggest natural gas field in reliance to reserves. It is being shared geographically by Katar and Iran.
We will only concentrate on Iran as this is the thread subject:

The Iranian side accounts for 10% of the world's and 60% of Iran's total gas reserves. Iran's portion of the field contains an estimated 436 trillion ft³

http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/southpars/

Between Iran and Turkey is an arbitration procedure going on about natural gas related. Iran currently supllies 10 billion m³ a year to Turkey, or so Iran should.
Iran's consumption of natural gas is 88 billion m³ and its production lies at 86 billion m³. So Turkey does not always get its contracted natural gas and Iran itself must import natural gas from Turkmenistan.
Allthough Iran has 2nd biggest natural gas reserves in the world.

In petroleum branch Iran lately went to rationing of gasoline and imports refined petroleum products for years now from Turkey, allthough Turkey itself does not have oil reserves but Turkey has biggest industrial refining capacities in the region. So Iran's energy sector is in a bad condition.

Sacked Iran minister warns of energy 'catastrophe'
08.19.07

http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/08/19/afx4033657.html

Iran and Turkey are now for months in consultations and it is agreed to go into an full Energy-Partnership. Ranging from Refineries, electricity generation plants, Pipelines and explotation and marketing of Iranian ressources.

Turkish state company TPAO will invest about 3,5 billion $ in this "South Pars" gas-field and will produce 20 billion m³ natural gas a year which accounts for about 60% of Turkish consumption of natural gas. This was announced between Turkey and Iran these days.

Also Austrian company OMV will invest in this field. Some months ago there was some turmoil about this in USA where it was said that OMV could face sanctions if it goes on with its plans.
Nevertheless OMV will invest with another Turkish company (Petrol Ofisi) in "south Pars" natural gas field.
http://www.irantender.com/english/news/detail.asp?codeclass=453&id=30364

To overcome Iran's energy/electricity crisis, Turkey will also build 3 electricity production facilities fired with natural gas within Iran. These 3 facilities will add 6.000 MW of installed capacity to Iran's electricity production capability.
This project will be financed by Iran and Turkey together and Turkish companies alone will build them.

Currently Iran has an installed capacity of 40.000 MW.
Turkish companies will also build Hydro-power plants in Iran with a total capacity of 10.000 MW. This investment will be financed and constructed by BOT-Model (Build Operate Transfer) from Turkish companies. Iran will not pay anything to this project.
(All informations from Turkish MSNBC interview with Turkish Energy minister)
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/417736.asp

In Turkey KW/h is produced at 5,4 cent. In Iran it is 3 cents. So Turkish companies will now invest in Iran in electricity sector. Till these natural gas and hydro plants are built, Turkey will transfer electricity to Iran when daily peak times of Turkish industry are over, as Iran and Turkey have different time zones.
Iran will have 56.000 MW electricity capacity in near future from now 40.000 MW and its energy crisis will be overcome thanks to Turkey.
As a reward Turkish Electricity companies will enter monopol Iran electricity sector and will generate huge income and Iran gives Turkish companies rights to develop huge Iranian gas fields.

Turkey and Iran will set-up a natural gas marketing company with 49:51 share. This company will lay pipelines between Iran and Turkey and will market Iranian natural wealth to Europe, generating money for both Iran and Turkey by selling Iranian natural wealth.
Peace in the region through economic cooperation.

If you have some questions, i can answer you.

 

[ReillyT]

Thanks for the info. That was interesting.

 

[dilloduck]

Hello.
"South Pars" is the world's biggest natural gas field in reliance to reserves. It is being shared geographically by Katar and Iran.
We will only concentrate on Iran as this is the thread subject:


http://www.offshore-technology.com/projects/southpars/

Between Iran and Turkey is an arbitration procedure going on about natural gas related. Iran currently supllies 10 billion m³ a year to Turkey, or so Iran should.
Iran's consumption of natural gas is 88 billion m³ and its production lies at 86 billion m³. So Turkey does not always get its contracted natural gas and Iran itself must import natural gas from Turkmenistan.
Allthough Iran has 2nd biggest natural gas reserves in the world.

In petroleum branch Iran lately went to rationing of gasoline and imports refined petroleum products for years now from Turkey, allthough Turkey itself does not have oil reserves but Turkey has biggest industrial refining capacities in the region. So Iran's energy sector is in a bad condition.


http://www.forbes.com/markets/feeds/afx/2007/08/19/afx4033657.html

Iran and Turkey are now for months in consultations and it is agreed to go into an full Energy-Partnership. Ranging from Refineries, electricity generation plants, Pipelines and explotation and marketing of Iranian ressources.

Turkish state company TPAO will invest about 3,5 billion $ in this "South Pars" gas-field and will produce 20 billion m³ natural gas a year which accounts for about 60% of Turkish consumption of natural gas. This was announced between Turkey and Iran these days.

Also Austrian company OMV will invest in this field. Some months ago there was some turmoil about this in USA where it was said that OMV could face sanctions if it goes on with its plans.
Nevertheless OMV will invest with another Turkish company (Petrol Ofisi) in "south Pars" natural gas field.
http://www.irantender.com/english/news/detail.asp?codeclass=453&id=30364

To overcome Iran's energy/electricity crisis, Turkey will also build 3 electricity production facilities fired with natural gas within Iran. These 3 facilities will add 6.000 MW of installed capacity to Iran's electricity production capability.
This project will be financed by Iran and Turkey together and Turkish companies alone will build them.

Currently Iran has an installed capacity of 40.000 MW.
Turkish companies will also build Hydro-power plants in Iran with a total capacity of 10.000 MW. This investment will be financed and constructed by BOT-Model (Build Operate Transfer) from Turkish companies. Iran will not pay anything to this project.
(All informations from Turkish MSNBC interview with Turkish Energy minister)
http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/news/417736.asp

In Turkey KW/h is produced at 5,4 cent. In Iran it is 3 cents. So Turkish companies will now invest in Iran in electricity sector. Till these natural gas and hydro plants are built, Turkey will transfer electricity to Iran when daily peak times of Turkish industry are over, as Iran and Turkey have different time zones.
Iran will have 56.000 MW electricity capacity in near future from now 40.000 MW and its energy crisis will be overcome thanks to Turkey.
As a reward Turkish Electricity companies will enter monopol Iran electricity sector and will generate huge income and Iran gives Turkish companies rights to develop huge Iranian gas fields.

Turkey and Iran will set-up a natural gas marketing company with 49:51 share. This company will lay pipelines between Iran and Turkey and will market Iranian natural wealth to Europe, generating money for both Iran and Turkey by selling Iranian natural wealth.
Peace in the region through economic cooperation.

If you have some questions, i can answer you.

Then why would they need nuclear plants ?

 

[ekrem]

Alone Istanbul with 12 Mio people from 72 Million Turkey has the same GDP like Iran (72 Million people).

Istanbul: 2006 GDP of 217 Billion $
Iran: 2006 GDP of 222 Billion $
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/DATASTATISTICS/Resources/GDP.pdf

Turkish growth rates:
Turkey(...), with a booming economy growing at 7 percent a year and a gross domestic product now greater than that of Sweden -- and doubling in size every nine years
http://www.upi.com/International_Se.../08/06/walkers_world_the_turkish_crisis/5451/

Currently 17th biggest economy. 2009 we will overtake Netherlands which is currently 16th and in 2010 we will overtake Australia which is currently 15th
http://www.dbresearch.de/servlet/reweb2.ReWEB?rwkey=u1562150&$rwframe=0


From:
Economist Intelligence Unit - 2007
Foresight 2020
(PDF link from University) http://ref.advancity.net/En/Moduller/Makaleler/MakaleForm.aspx?KodAl=0&mdId=300

Contribution to Global Growth between 2006-20
China 26,7%
USA 15,9%
India 12,2%
Brazil 2,4%
Russia 2,3%
Indonesia 2,3%
S.Korea 2,1%
UK 1,9%
Germany 1,9%
France 1,5%
Mexiko 1,4%
Canada 1,3%
Turkey 1,2%
Japan 1,1%

Biggest Stock Exchanges in Muslim world:
1. Saudi-Arabia: Tadawul Marketcapitalization 292 Billion $ % of GDP: 76
2. Malaysia: Bursa Marketcapitalization:190 Billion $ %of GDP: 161
3. Turkey: Istanbul Marketcapitalization: 98 Billion $ % of GDP: 24

Currently only 24% of Turkish economy in reliance to GDP is listed in stock exchange. Once more and more companies open up for shareholders Istanbul stock exchange will become biggest stock exchange.
Malaysian stock exchange with a market capitalization of 161% to real GDP will collapse anytime.
Before new-economy crash in USA NASDAQ was 185% to real worth of listed companies.
This means that future speculative earnings from listed companies in NASDAQ in sizes of almost twice the actual value of listed companies where already calculated in company at present.
So it is in Malaysia today with companies listed representing 161% in relation to real GDP.

Turkish market capitalization in reliance to real GDP is 24% Also in Istanbul stock exchange current listed companies are overpriced. So listed companies in Istanbul stock represent about 15-20% of Turkish GDP. 85-80% of Turkish economy is yet to go to stock exchange.
Together with doubling of Turkish economy in 9 years, like United Press Internatzional link said, it is our ordinance to be financial powerhouse, too. In gold market we already are.

Turkey world’s third largest gold market
Turkey climbed up to third place among global gold markets in the second quarter of 2007 by surpassing the US for the first time, said World Gold Council Turkey General Manager Murat Akman in a written statement yesterday.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=119778
http://www.marketing.gold.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=88&Itemid=508

Turkey already is one of the biggest Investors in Central Asia, North Africa and Balkans.
In Middle East a long time political divergencies hindered Turkish investments there as in example with Turkcell and Iran:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/16/business/hot.php

Anyway Turkey is behind UAE and Saudi-Arabia 3rd biggest investor among Muslim countries themselves:

Such cooperation with Iran by removing divergencies through Mega-cooperation will also redirect Turkish capital to Mid-East.
Whilst Turkish capital comeing from human capital and industry must compete with Arab petroleum capital.

I will stop here and if further interested you can see in this Thread "Science in muslim world" how Turkey remarkabely dominates other Muslim countries in field of Science, industry etc:
http://usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=38967

And for military related domination:
http://usmessageboard.com/showpost.php?p=544066&postcount=2

I just wanted to show, that Turkish expansion through industry projects into our neighbours is coerciveness.
Our expansion can not be stopped by competitiveness or other factors, but by political divergency.
So Turkish strategy is to keep same distance to everyone around us and promote ecopnomic cooperation.
Turkey can never reach its potential when even countries in Latin America have a bigger mutual trade with us then our neighbours have.
As long as there is no enemy action by our neighbours, they are good neighbours for economic cooperation and good market for Turkish companies.
What USA thinks about Iran-Turkey business activity is secundary, as Turkey does also not come to USA's agenda with stopping business relations to Mexiko or Canada.
We are geographically where we are.

Histrorically speaking countries like Egypt or Saudi-Arabia have no lead-function in Muslim world, as they never have been. Once Turks approached in Anatolia in 1071 we dominated whole Sunnite world. So it is with Iran with Shiites, by whom for many centuries Shiite Turks were rulers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_dynasty

Iran will establish itself as ultimative leader of world Shiites and will try to gain influence via Arabian peninsula to Lebanese Meditarenean. New military deals by USA with Saudi-Arabia and Egypt will not hinder Iran in long run.
Iran will play beautifull bride to Turkey and fullfill Turkey's demands in order Turkey not to interfere in Arabian peninsula and stop Iranian expansion.

And Turkey?

Turkey is not China, but in becoming the largest Muslim economy, as well as the largest economy in the eastern Mediterranean, Southeastern Europe, the Middle East, the Caucasus and east to the Hindu Kush, Turkey is moving to regain its traditional position of primacy in the region.
(...)
The ability of Greece, Armenia, Syria, Iraq and Iran to remain hostile to Turkey decreases as the Turkish economy grows. Ideology and history are very real things, but so is the economic power of a dynamic economy. Turkey's economic power, coupled with its substantial regional military power, will over time change the balance of power in each of the regions Turkey faces.
(...)
For the past 90 years, Turkey has not played its historic role. Now, however, economic and politico-military indicators point to Turkey's slow reclamation of that role.

http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=293204&selected=Analyses

Correct.
Also we are the "Water-Superpower" in the region.
Iraq is thirsty-Thread
http://usmessageboard.com/showthread.php?t=34695

The fate of the Mid-East region will not be shaped by USA, Egypt, Saudi-Arabia or Israel but by IRAN and ultimatively Turkey.
What USA makes is damage control.
Turkey will handle the region in Neo-Ottomanism philosophy as new-independent little kids from stepfather without history and any right to constitute a claim or act in the region against Turkish interests.
USA itself by playing Kurdish card forced Turkey to abandon "not-my-business" philosophy in Mid-East.
I said it in past. Mid-East power structure is like a fine swiss clockwork. You modify one gearwheel, the other gearwheels move automatically with. Turkey was a gearwheel which's spotlight was not in Mid-East.
Now Turkey gearwheel is directed at Mid-East beginning primarily with North-Iraq.

In such philosophy a Kurdish state against our will is a no-go.
Nobody will shape Turkish boarders, the question who is our neighbour, against our will.
Iraq is 3 Ottoman vilayets. Assyrians, Kurds and Turcomans are in Musul vilayet. If Iraq is broken up Musul vilayet with Turcoman population will become KITC (North Iraq Turkmen State) analog to KKTC (North Cyprus Turkish State) in Cyprus.
In Cyprus it took 10 years from the point where Turkey started to begin to voice its objections and transform words into action.
So better clean PKK whilst Turkey is still talking, when we come we come to stay. North-Iraq is about 120.000 to 150.000 km², we take it as lunch.

If Turkey transforms words into action, its highly mobile army could occupy North-Iraq practically overnight with long-range patrols, helicopters, and maybe even paratroopers. Peshmergas would either hide or flee southwards where their big-buddy Al-Sadr and Al-Qaeda is waiting for them or take their consequence of raising gun against Turkey. Our Turcoman brothers would awake to find Turkish soldiers directing their traffic.

George Walker Bush, April 2006

"I laid out a doctrine, and it said: 'If you harbor a terrorist, you're equally as guilty as the terrorists.' The reason I said that is because I understand that a terrorist network can sometimes burrow in society and can sometimes find safe haven from which to plot and plan. The perfect example of that was Afghanistan."

With the second-biggest army in NATO, Turkey is out of the league of letting region change by non-Turkish motive.
Arab-League which invites Turkey as observer country will say nothing. They could anyhow do nothing against us. But if they say something they face consequence of angering Turkey and so makeing Iran happy in starting Arab-Iran power struggle.
Maybe people like Joseph Biden should study the region before makeing suggestions of splitting anywhere.
Nowehre will be split by anyone but by us, if something is going to be split on our boarder.

 

[dilloduck]

Why are they building nuclear reactors ?

 

[ReillyT]

Why are they building nuclear reactors ?

They want nuclear weapons. On this, I feel we agree.

 

[ekrem]

Why are they building nuclear reactors ?

When i login into USmessageboard, it says something like:
"Click here if your brwoser does not redirect you"

So everything, even questions, have their destiny. And why Iranians build nuclear power plants is not my business primarily. The destination of this question is for example Russia.
But if you want to hear it from me, i can say, that they will keep option of going nuclear in same line as expanding power production capacity.
An option unconditionally to legal status which every countries has investing in Nuclear Power Plants.
I could write surely more for example by developing nuclear weapons to close the gap for example to Turkey's military power, but an Iranian nuclear bomb is not redirected at Turkey primarily and Turkey would develop Nuclear bombs, too.
Capable of this without help from outside we are. But help from outside would speed up that process, whilest i think, that Israel would give Nuclear bombs to Turkey without our request immediately to ensure power balance of the region represents against conventional factors, so Iran being not Number 1 doing anything without fearing consequence.

 

[dilloduck]

When i login into USmessageboard, it says something like:
"Click here if your brwoser does not redirect you"

So everything, even questions, have their destiny. And why Iranians build nuclear power plants is not my business primarily. The destination of this question is for example Russia.
But if you want to hear it from me, i can say, that they will keep option of going nuclear in same line as expanding power production capacity.
An option unconditionally to legal status which every countries has investing in Nuclear Power Plants.
I could write surely more for example by developing nuclear weapons to close the gap for example to Turkey's military power, but an Iranian nuclear bomb is not redirected at Turkey primarily and Turkey would develop Nuclear bombs, too.
Capable of this without help from outside we are. But help from outside would speed up that process, whilest i think, that Israel would give Nuclear bombs to Turkey without our request immediately to ensure power balance of the region represents against conventional factors, so Iran being not Number 1 doing anything without fearing consequence.

Good to see you prospering while assisting Iran to become more dangerous to civilization than ever.

 

[ReillyT]

Good to see you prospering while assisting Iran to become more dangerous to civilization than ever.

Maybe you didn't catch the part where he said that questions about Iran's nuclear program would be more properly directed towards Russia (which is actually building the reactors) than Turkey (which is not).

 

[ekrem]

Good to see you prospering while assisting Iran to become more dangerous to civilization than ever.

A mullah-country throwing nuclear bombs everywhere around is propaganda. Iran follows way of North-Korea forceing USA to diplomacy.

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Not only Turkey does prosper but also Iranian peoples which will have more energy related ressources for use.
Germany and France implemented peace by economic activity. Why it should not be between Iran and Turkey or anyone else?

At that time when Saddam was sanctioned, Iraq was our 2nd biggest trade partner after Germany.
Turkey will never reach its full potencial when political divergency is harming our economical interests.
2 turkish companies will produce natural gas in Iran. One of hat company alone will supply Turkish consumption at a rate of 60% at producer prices.

There is no option following irrationality.
Or does US tax payers want to compensate Turkey?
Iraq sanctions and not more, our industry would have been much more advanced when Iraq for 10 years would not have been boycotted.
Also every year about 70.000 Turkish trucks pass Iran to reach Turkic Republics in Central Asia.

 

[dilloduck]

A mullah-country throwing nuclear bombs everywhere around is propaganda. Iran follows way of North-Korea forceing USA to diplomacy.

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Not only Turkey does prosper but also Iranian peoples which will have more energy related ressources for use.
Germany and France implemented peace by economic activity. Why it should not be between Iran and Turkey or anyone else?

At that time when Saddam was sanctioned, Iraq was our 2nd biggest trade partner after Germany.
Turkey will never reach its full potencial when political divergency is harming our economical interests.
2 turkish companies will produce natural gas in Iran. One of hat company alone will supply Turkish consumption at a rate of 60% at producer prices.

There is no option following irrationality.
Or does US tax payers want to compensate Turkey?
Iraq sanctions and not more, our industry would have been much more advanced when Iraq for 10 years would not have been boycotted.
Also every year about 70.000 Turkish trucks pass Iran to reach Turkic Republics in Central Asia.

Maybe you have no problems with your Muslim brothers because you are Muslim. Germany and France are just thrilled to have the explosion of muslims there. Peace by economic security my ass. Germany and France have already surrendered.

 

[dilloduck]

Maybe you didn't catch the part where he said that questions about Iran's nuclear program would be more properly directed towards Russia (which is actually building the reactors) than Turkey (which is not).

No, I caught that dodge very nicely, thank you !

 

[ekrem]

Maybe you have no problems with your Muslim brothers because you are Muslim. Germany and France are just thrilled to have the explosion of muslims there. Peace by economic security my ass. Germany and France have already surrendered.

Muslim brothers i have not transnationally. I have brotherhood bonds to people in a constitutional way, as Turkish constitution gives explanation who is my brother in terms of nationality which becomes relevant in transnationally viewing of the region. Also ethnical links, Not Religion.
Whether it is Russia, Syria, Iran or Israel. As long as there is no enemy behaving, Turkey will try to stand to everyone in same distance. This means economic activity as long there is no enemy action.
Through more economy activity, options for enemy actions is decreasing.

Like stratfor says:
Ideology and history are very real things, but so is the economic power of a dynamic economy.

We can expand our discussion to Germany if you want. But about France i do not know much.

 

[ReillyT]

Muslim brothers i have not transnationally. I have brotherhood bonds to people in a constitutional way, as Turkish constitution gives explanation who is my brother in terms of nationality which becomes relevant in transnationally viewing of the region. Also ethnical links, Not Religion.
Whether it is Russia, Syria, Iran or Israel. As long as there is no enemy behaving, Turkey will try to stand to everyone in same distance. This means economic activity as long there is no enemy action.
Through more economy activity, options for enemy actions is decreasing.

Like stratfor says:
Ideology and history are very real things, but so is the economic power of a dynamic economy.

We can expand our discussion to Germany if you want. But about France i do not know much.

Yes, actually the idea that economic ties will prevent future conflicts should not be new to the West. It was FDR and Winston Churchill who advocated this when they established the Bretton Woods institutions.

 

[dilloduck]

Yes, actually the idea that economic ties will prevent future conflicts should not be new to the West. It was FDR and Winston Churchill who advocated this when they established the Bretton Woods institutions.

You continually fail to get the point-----our enemies have no interest nor motive to come to any agreements. Hell--in Viet Nam they at least faked it but knew all along the Unites States would be weakened from within and retreat.

 

[ekrem]

Yes, actually the idea that economic ties will prevent future conflicts should not be new to the West. It was FDR and Winston Churchill who advocated this when they established the Bretton Woods institutions.

Yes. Every country has a past of bilateral relations.
And economic activity between states raise bilateral relations from ideological factors to real factors like money, jobs, energy security etc.. So things in relations become predictable.
Just because country X has bad relations with country Y, Turkey will not arrange its economic activity on someone elses interests.
USA laws are not binding for Turkey. It is the United Nations which restrict Turkey and we will follow UN decisions.

As long as UN (in multipolar representing of world) does not forbid Turkey do business with Iran, we will do business.

 

[ReillyT]

As long as there is no enemy behaving, Turkey will try to stand to everyone in same distance. This means economic activity as long there is no enemy action. Through more economy activity, options for enemy actions is decreasing.

You continually fail to get the point-----our enemies have no interest nor motive to come to any agreements. Hell--in Viet Nam they at least faked it but knew all along the Unites States would be weakened from within and retreat.

Hmmm.... perhaps you would be right, if he were referring to the US and Iran. Unfortunately for you, the discussion was centered around Turkey and Iran.

You continually fail to get the point!

However, if we are to speak of western trade with Iran, take note that Iran has negotiated trade agreements with Europe in the past, and that Europe is currently Iran's largest trading partner.

http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/iran/intro/index.htm

 

[ReillyT]

Dillo, I thought you might enjoy this little excerpt from the website of the European Commission.

Iran total trade with the world in 2004 amounted €57,215 million with a trade superavit of €275 million total exports were €28,470 million (0.4% of total world trade) and €28,475 million in imports (0.3% of total world trade).

In relation to commercial partners, Iran has a quite diversified market where the EU is its main trading partner then with 35.1% of total market share, followed by Japan with 12.3%, China 9.1%, South Korea 5.7% and Turkey, U.A. Emirates, South Africa, Russia and Singaporewith between 2% and 4% each.

In 2004 Iran's main suppliers were the EU (44% of total imports), China (7.8%), U.A. Emirates (6.4%) and South Korea (6,3%) and the main export markets were EU(26.2%), Japan (21%), China (10.4%) and South Africa (6.6%).

http://ec.europa.eu/trade/issues/bilateral/countries/iran/index_en.htm

Apparently, dialogue with Iran is futile.

 

[dilloduck]

Dillo, I thought you might enjoy this little excerpt from the website of the European Commission.



http://ec.europa.eu/trade/issues/bilateral/countries/iran/index_en.htm

Apparently, dialogue with Iran is futile.

AMERICAN dialogue. Cmon---don't be a dork.

 

[ekrem]

Hmmm.... perhaps you would be right, if he were referring to the US and Iran. Unfortunately for you, the discussion was centered around Turkey and Iran.

You continually fail to get the point!

However, if we are to speak of western trade with Iran, take note that Iran has negotiated trade agreements with Europe in the past, and that Europe is currently Iran's largest trading partner.

http://ec.europa.eu/external_relations/iran/intro/index.htm

He does understand well. It is the common bad-speaking of everything Turkey related allthough his position to Turkey would be different if i would not represent Turkey on this board. So it is mostly personal-related, since (must have been somwhere at my 500th post) we had a personal dispute with personal words allthough dilloduck was in the beginning the friendliest person to confront me on this board.
Now it is just same procedure as every login.
I accept that fully and modificate my discussion style to person who responds to me.
When someone like GunnyL is engageing me in a discussion i answer different as i would when people confront me of whom i know they have some sympathy for me. Yes they exist, but will not tell.
And absolute mostly only people answer to me in threads which have no sympathy, so my writing style and views mutate in accordance to audience i speak with.
But it is anyway fun, allthough i try not to be provocative to get sanctioned and between provocative writing embed informations and arguments.
But it is no big issue, and overall i am happy with my time writing here. Otherwise i would use my time different.