Massive, Hidden Object in Space

[American Horse]

Well, whatever you wish to call them, and no matter what their origin, if one were to come through our solar system, it would definately be a case of there goes the neighborhood.

From NASA: The discovery is based on a joint Japan-New Zealand survey that scanned the center of the Milky Way galaxy during 2006 and 2007, revealing evidence for up to 10 free-floating planets roughly the mass of Jupiter. The isolated orbs, also known as orphan planets, are difficult to spot, and had gone undetected until now. The newfound planets are located at an average approximate distance of 10,000 to 20,000 light-years from Earth.

The bolded text clarifies the distance mentioned in the BLOG as 10 A.U.

SOURCE: Free-Floating Planets May be More Common Than Stars - NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, that's the ones they know about.

 

[American Horse]

Well, that's the ones they know about.

Of course. but since we know how they come into being we can make a rational evaluation of how many there are, and that was done; there may be as many as there are individual stars. Now consider how many stars collide, and/or come within proximity by random wandering and the number shrinks to inconspicuous odds because of the vastness of space. Those which have been detected lie within the central region of the galaxy where stars are most abundant as you'd expect. The article said 10 detected with 10 AU, but the original article from wich it was abstracted said 10 to 20,000 light years, so the frame of reference is off by a factor of .63 billion to one.

EDIT - It is one more thing to worry about, that's for sure, particularly because they are not visible in ordinary light. It should be pointed out that ordinary stars transit our neighborhood far more commonly than we would think. We might see a star withing a light year (63,000 AU) three or four times each million years.

 

[American Horse]

What the existence these dark Jupiter-plus sized objects speak to is the need for humanity to establish permanent outposts out of harm's way. Mars would be a smaller target and a moon of Jupiter smaller still, and close to a giant deflector/vacuum cleaner.

In time, free market capitalism, if not deterred but hopefully encouraged, will accomplish that as a matter of course.

 

[HUGGY]

What the existence these dark Jupiter-plus sized objects speak to is the need for humanity to establish permanent outposts out of harm's way. Mars would be a smaller target and a moon of Jupiter smaller still, and close to a giant deflector/vacuum cleaner.

In time, free market capitalism, if not deterred but hopefully encouraged, will accomplish that as a matter of course.

Huh? Why would they/it do that? Free market capitalism does NOTHING without a customer to sell a good or service to. What exactly would they be selling to whom to justify such a venture?

 

[American Horse]

What the existence these dark Jupiter-plus sized objects speak to is the need for humanity to establish permanent outposts out of harm's way. Mars would be a smaller target and a moon of Jupiter smaller still, and close to a giant deflector/vacuum cleaner.

In time, free market capitalism, if not deterred but hopefully encouraged, will accomplish that as a matter of course.

Huh? Why would they/it do that? Free market capitalism does NOTHING without a customer to sell a good or service to. What exactly would they be selling to whom to justify such a venture?

Here are just a few applications for commercial ventures in space – and how fortunes can be built:

Having a human presence in space would open up the need for support systems and facilities, or water for life support, transportation, logistics, etc.

Moving satellites or other materials from Low Earth Orbit (LEO) to geosynchronous Orbit (GEO), eventually from Earth LEO to the moon. Satellites could be placed in LEO then captured and lifted into GEO by transports (call them Space transport systems) waiting there - The fuel to power thise transports would be mined on the moon - here are potentially huge fuel savings with fuel transported from moon to any earth orbit and held in space depots for distribution to these space vehicles remaining in orbit.


And there are not just fuel savings: Would eliminate need for expendable booster stages when launching from Earth, and lifting the fuel to the final stage at LEO.

Satellite maintenance in orbit - Capturing, repairing and replacing satellites back into orbits (presently satellites are not built amenable to be maintained or upgraded, but to be replaced by costly new satellites, with additional launch costs.

Collecting and removing space debris from orbit; ejecting it back into earth atmosphere.

Commerical operations on moon - Mining fuels for use powering space transportation systems from LEO to GEO - Mining operations can be performed by “Tele-robots” with real time actuation. (here on earth military drones are an example of a Tele-robot in everyday use.)

Building and maintenance of Solar energy capture and transmission from GEO to Earth based transmission/distribution systems – Whole countries could be independent from earth source energy importation such as oil, coal, NG, and nuclear power.
Look Here=>msnbc.com updated 4/13/2009 10:41:47 PM ET

California's biggest energy utility announced a deal Monday to purchase 200 megawatts of electricity from a startup company that plans to beam the power down to Earth from outer space, beginning in 2016.

Space tourism – LEO habitat for the very wealthy - There are already examples of $20 million tickets for visits to ISS. (See Bigelow Aerospace)

Mining asteroids in Earth crossing obits for fuel and volatiles to be used in LEO, GEO, or Lunar Halo orbit.

Elon Musk now offers a complete package price contract to put 53 (117k pounds) metric tons into orbit at a cost of $849 per pound. (assumes full loads; this includes earth based support). This price is about one fifth the cost of the shuttle lifting a pound into orbit.

Elon MUsk believes (and has said) Aay long term human presence in space requires much cheaper access to space. Therefore, if your longterm goal is a long term human presence in space, you must focus on cheaper access to space. That's his goal, his thinking, and what he is accomplishing.

 

[percysunshine]

What the existence these dark Jupiter-plus sized objects speak to is the need for humanity to establish permanent outposts out of harm's way. Mars would be a smaller target and a moon of Jupiter smaller still, and close to a giant deflector/vacuum cleaner.

In time, free market capitalism, if not deterred but hopefully encouraged, will accomplish that as a matter of course.

Huh? Why would they/it do that? Free market capitalism does NOTHING without a customer to sell a good or service to. What exactly would they be selling to whom to justify such a venture?

General Motors will figure it out.

 

[FA_Q2]

He said free market capitalism, nor government companies

 

[RevBig]

Hmmm' I read the OT then went to this page and it seems like a different thread! Well I even though I am a minister I love astronomy. I am still trying to decide on a new scope and have been stuck observing with my Nocks' for many months (donations are down to starvation levels). However like the Vatican but on a much smaller scale my church is going to build a small observatory on the mission land. We are saving up our pennies for a 14" Orion (a cheap but acceptable scope builder)...just saying.

More on topic ; I am not surprised or wont be if the object exists. Most star systems are binary anyway so I predict that the object will be a brown or other dwarf star and that is exciting! Maybe billions years ago when the earth was forming or more exciting maybe during a period when some type of primitive life existed on earth their primitive eyes saw TWO suns in our sky! Well at that distance the other star would look like a dim Venus (unless it was a blue Giant etc). Very interesting stuff !

Revb

 

[waltky]

Mebbe it's what's slowin' down Venus...

Rotation of Venus Might Be Slowing
February 13, 2012 - The European Space Agency, ESA, says Venus appears to be rotating on its axis slightly slower than it did in the early 1990s, adding 6.5 minutes to the length of the planet’s day.

ESA says scientists made the discovery when trying to reconcile a new map made with recent measurements taken by its orbiting Venus Express spacecraft with features observed some 16 years ago by NASA’s Magellan orbiter.

ESA researchers noticed the Venus Express data indicated that some objects on Venus were up to 20 kilometers from where they expected to find them, if the planet's rate of rotation were the same as when Magellan made its measurements. The scientists say the Venus Express map and the Magellan map aligned when they added 6.5 minutes to the length of Venus’ day. ESA says the phenomenon requires further study.

The second closest planet to the Sun, Venus is situated between the orbits of tiny Mercury and the Earth. Venus Express scientists say the speed of Venus’ rotation could be influenced by several factors, including weather cycles that span decades or even potential rotational effects that occur when Venus and Earth are relatively close to each other. NASA’s Magellan probe orbited Venus from 1990 to 1994. ESA’s Venus Express spacecraft has been orbiting the planet since 2006.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news...-Venus-Might-Be-Slowing-139254678.html]Source

 

[sealybobo]

Here's an oldie but goodie, if you can get your hands on a copy:

[ame=[URL]http://www.amazon.com/Nemesis-Death-Star-Richard-Muller/dp/1555841732]Amazon.com&tag=ff0d01-20[/URL]: Nemesis: The Death Star (9781555841737): Richard Muller: Books[/ame]

Maybe it’s a brown dwarf? A failed star that didn’t ignite. Out in the ort cloud. What is nudging object from the ort cloud at us every few million years? Most stars have a sister. Why doesn’t ours? Maybe it does and we don’t even know it

 

[rightwinger]

Death Star

 

[sealybobo]

Death Star

Howard stern is right there are no aliens out there. Think about what we would do if we found life on another planet. Would we fly all the way and then hide?

We would first send word and try to communicate with them. Or if we could we would take over and rule.

No aliens ever been here

 

[evenflow1969]

Here is the data on the large exo-solar body out past the Oort Cloud that some have been posting about as well myself about the dark jupiter. they are closer to finding enough data on this dark object to substantiate its definition. This has been a postulate for several years now but this is more compelling if they can resolve this mass.

Wonderful data. This too is the basis for Nibiru and other far fetched postulations.

Scientists, telescope hunt massive hidden object in space – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Robert

How can it be hidden if it can be seen?

It CANNOT be seen. The issue is its assumed effects on the Oort Cloud, The Kuiper Belt, and all TNOs that we know of.

Whatever it is, it orbits so far out it will take us awhile to get a probe to it. It orbits the Sun nearly every 27 million years, what ever it is.

Robert

I understood it that it could been seen, because you said it was massive. Or am I missing something here? If it can't be seen how do you know it's massive? and if it's massive how can it be hidden?

We see it's gravitaional effect's not the actual object. It's mass can be estimated by the effect it has on bodies we can see. Some say it could be a failed star. When we get the Web up we may be able to see it's heat signature if it is a failed star. Maybe even if it is just a giant planet

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Death Star

And it's in orbit around Saturn to boot

60 mile high ridge along its equator