Mass shootings now ho hum.....

[ABikerSailor]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

Moron...the base is a gun free zone for everyone but the military police...just like civilian life.......so when a shooting happens the military personnel are gun free until the police arrive, 5 or more minutes later......just like in the civilian world, you doofus.

Like I said, because of the size of the base, as well as the number of personnel on roving patrol and those at the gates, we had a response time of 2 min. or less. If it took over 2 min., the Gunny would have the ass of the personnel on the call.

 

[OldLady]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

The fact that over two million people that live in Florida have concealed weapon permits but the people that got killed were not allowed to defend themselves on the Federal base is not much consolation to the families, is it?

The restrictions were wrong regardless of where they are imposed.

The restrictions did nothing to stop the shooter and everything to kept the victims from having the ability to defend themselves.

Fuck gun control laws.

Gun free zones (or installations) are only gun free for law abiding people but not the criminals.

No, fuck you for starting this before the dead have even been carried out of the building.
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew we'd be hearing from a "more guns" guy in no time.

 

[Flash]

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Like I said, because of the size of the base, as well as the number of personnel on roving patrol and those at the gates, we had a response time of 2 min. or less. If it took over 2 min., the Gunny would have the ass of the personnel on the call.

The response time at the base didn't help the dead people this morning, did it?

It is dumb to put your security in the hands of somebody else, isn't it? Look what happen at Parkland when the Sheriff's Deputy decided to sit it out.

 

[Flash]

[Q

No, fuck you for starting this before the dead have even been carried out of the building.
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew we'd be hearing from a "more guns" guy in no time.

Fuck you for being so stupid as to not support the concept of being allowed to be responsible for your security, instead of being required to depend on the filthy government to do it for you.

 

[Lewdog]

They Florida shooter was a Saudi national. You don't hear a bunch of Trump supporters going off about it... now if he was from Kenya or a place similar, they would be going off the hook. Trump has already talked with MBS and passing along his condolences. Funny how easy Trump is appeased by MBS, a guy that Trump has a lot of money off of.

I wonder if the shooter was Muslim. If he is and all of the people that call all Muslims terrorist, don't react the same because he is a Muslim from Saudi Arabia compared to a different country, shows it isn't really about Muslims, it is just parroting what Trump says.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

Maybe women, especially leftard women, should stop pissing men off.

Yeah, it's women's fault that white guys can't stop their murderous shooting sprees, you simply cannot expect white men to be responsible for their own behavior.

The pearl harbor shooter wasnt white.
Plus there are mass shootings every day by non whites and you racially bigoted asswipes dont say a word.
Dumbfuck

Yes, Saudi, and your school shootings hon?

Here is what utterly cucked looks and sounds like:

Saudi Arabia 'greatly angered' by Pensacola Navy base shooting, Trump says
Trump: King Salman said Saudi people 'angered' by Pensacola shooting

I thought we were never going to forget 9/11. Ah, our friends the public square beheading, journalist liquefying, radical Islamist Saudis.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

They Florida shooter was a Saudi national. You don't hear a bunch of Trump supporters going off about it... now if he was from Kenya or a place similar, they would be going off the hook. Trump has already talked with MBS and passing along his condolences. Funny how easy Trump is appeased by MBS, a guy that Trump has a lot of money off of.

I wonder if the shooter was Muslim. If he is and all of the people that call all Muslims terrorist, don't react the same because he is a Muslim from Saudi Arabia compared to a different country, shows it isn't really about Muslims, it is just parroting what Trump says.

Slaughterers of a feather ...

 

[OldLady]

[Q

No, fuck you for starting this before the dead have even been carried out of the building.
As soon as I saw the headline, I knew we'd be hearing from a "more guns" guy in no time.

Fuck you for being so stupid as to not support the concept of being allowed to be responsible for your security, instead of being required to depend on the filthy government to do it for you.

More guns is not the answer to out of control numbers of shootings. Just take a step back and LOOK at that statement. Hullo.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

Moron...the base is a gun free zone for everyone but the military police...just like civilian life.......so when a shooting happens the military personnel are gun free until the police arrive, 5 or more minutes later......just like in the civilian world, you doofus.

Who flew planes into our lovely twin towers on 9/11? Be glad this guy didn't have a plane or you'd be arguing we all need to arm ourselves with aircraft.

What did the poster - with firsthand experience post that you so fecklessly attempted to rebut?


“The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.”

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

And, you guys might also wanna consider the reason WHY this Saudi national was here in the first place......................he was here to get training on how to maintain the aircraft that Trump just sold to Saudi Arabia.

We do sell arms to murderous regimes and support 73% of the world's dictators don't we.

 

[Flash]

[QU

More guns is not the answer to out of control numbers of shootings. Just take a step back and LOOK at that statement. Hullo.

You are confused.

If one or more of the victims had the means to defend themselves then they might not be dead now. That is a clear cut example of how more guns would have helped.

The fact they were prevented from defending themselves by the filthy government prevented them from having the opportunity.

The law abiding victims that died today obeyed the stupid law. The terrorist didn't.

Shame on the government for not allowing the people to defend themselves if they chose to do so.

Same on Liberals for electing Left leaning assholes that are hell bent on taking away the ability of the people to defend themselves.

If anybody should be allowed to carry concealed or other wise available weapons it should the military, shouldn't it? Trained mature disciplined troops. Especially on a base with Muslims.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

My guns had nothing to do with either.

Nor did you save anyone with them.

 

[impuretrash]

Yeah, it's women's fault that white guys can't stop their murderous shooting sprees, you simply cannot expect white men to be responsible for their own behavior.

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

2 Saudis shoot up military bases, white men and American culture get the blame?

 

[Flash]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

Moron...the base is a gun free zone for everyone but the military police...just like civilian life.......so when a shooting happens the military personnel are gun free until the police arrive, 5 or more minutes later......just like in the civilian world, you doofus.

Who flew planes into our lovely twin towers on 9/11? Be glad this guy didn't have a plane or you'd be arguing we all nned to arm ourselves with aircraft.

What did the poster - with firsthand experience post that you so fecklessly attempted to rebut?


“The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.”

It really doesn't make any difference the stupid justification that the filthy government uses to prevent the victims from protecting themselves. Federal, State, Local, what difference does it make if you are dead? The fact is the law prevented the victims from defending themselves but didn't stop the bad guy. Gun control laws don't work.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

Moron...the base is a gun free zone for everyone but the military police...just like civilian life.......so when a shooting happens the military personnel are gun free until the police arrive, 5 or more minutes later......just like in the civilian world, you doofus.

Who flew planes into our lovely twin towers on 9/11? Be glad this guy didn't have a plane or you'd be arguing we all nned to arm ourselves with aircraft.

What did the poster - with firsthand experience post that you so fecklessly attempted to rebut?


“The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.”

It really doesn't make any difference the stupid justification that the filthy government uses to prevent the victims from protecting themselves. Federal, State, Local, what difference does it make if you are dead? The fact is the law prevented the victims from defending themselves but didn't stop the bad guy. Gun control laws don't work.

Face it, this is an unhealthy society predicated upon violence, which explains in part why americans think violence is the answer to everthing under the sun. And yeah, the american people should have never sat on our asses while a govt of/by/for the people morphed into a govt of/by/for concentrated corporate wealth and authority. But we did.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

Yeah, it's women's fault that white guys can't stop their murderous shooting sprees, you simply cannot expect white men to be responsible for their own behavior.

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

2 Saudis shoot up military bases, white men and American culture get the blame?

We'll need to confine that to just these two shootings won't we.

 

[Bo Didleysquat]

[QU

More guns is not the answer to out of control numbers of shootings. Just take a step back and LOOK at that statement. Hullo.

You are confused.

If one or more of the victims had the means to defend themselves then they might not be dead now. That is a clear cut example of how more guns would have helped.

The fact they were prevented from defending themselves by the filthy government prevented them from having the opportunity.

The law abiding victims that died today obeyed the stupid law. The terrorist didn't.

Shame on the government for not allowing the people to defend themselves if they chose to do so.

Same on Liberals for electing Left leaning assholes that are hell bent on taking away the ability of the people to defend themselves.

If anybody should be allowed to carry concealed or other wise available weapons it should the military, shouldn't it? Trained mature disciplined troops. Especially on a base with Muslims.

I'll grant you Trayvon should have had one, yeah.

We love Muslims, we partner with them and sell them arms all the time. Are you unaware of this?

 

[Flash]

That NAS had a policy that nobody is allowed to bring guns on base even though Florida allows concealed carry. Another stupid "gun free" zone.

That didn't stop the Muslim terrorist but it did stop the people on base from having the means to defend themselves.

Filthy Liberal gun control laws never stop the bad guys but always makes it difficult for the citizens.

The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.

Moron...the base is a gun free zone for everyone but the military police...just like civilian life.......so when a shooting happens the military personnel are gun free until the police arrive, 5 or more minutes later......just like in the civilian world, you doofus.

Who flew planes into our lovely twin towers on 9/11? Be glad this guy didn't have a plane or you'd be arguing we all nned to arm ourselves with aircraft.

What did the poster - with firsthand experience post that you so fecklessly attempted to rebut?


“The laws of the state can be different from the laws on the base. Why? Because military property is considered federal property, not state.

And, while you want to spew the false narrative that the base is a gun free zone, hate to tell you, but all security personnel are armed, and there are always several roving patrols (2 personnel in a vehicle), but there are also 2 armed guards at each gate onto the base. Response time when I was on the Security Force at Newport was 2 min. or less.”

It really doesn't make any difference the stupid justification that the filthy government uses to prevent the victims from protecting themselves. Federal, State, Local, what difference does it make if you are dead? The fact is the law prevented the victims from defending themselves but didn't stop the bad guy. Gun control laws don't work.

Face it, this is an unhealthy society predicated upon violence, which explains in part why americans think violence is the answer to everthing under the sun. And yeah, the american people should have never sat on our asses while a govt of/by/for the people morphed into a govt of/by/for concentrated corporate wealth and authority. But we did.

The gun violence today was a Muslim terrorist. Why are we allowing Muslim to come on our military bases? Didn't we learn anything from Ft Hood?

The great majority of the gun violence in this country takes place in Democrat controlled big city shitholes among gang bangers, druggies and thugs. These shitholes already have stringent gun control laws that none of those assholes adhere to.

 

[Papageorgio]

In the last few days:

Pearl Harbor shooting: US sailor opens fire at a shipyard days before the anniversary of historic attack - CNN

Pensacola shooting: 3 dead and several injured at Naval Air Station - CNN


Nothing to see here, folks.

T's & P's

I saw both these stories on the national news. The Pearl Harbor story was the headline.

Maybe you need to switch from Comedy Central and try a news network.

 

[Pogo]

Hate to tell you this is a Military matter and like I wrote about the other incident the Navy will deal with it.

Mass shootings happen within the Military and remember Fort Hood?

Also not the first Naval Mass shooting either...

Another asshat who thinks if the involved party is in uniform then it's a "military matter".

No Tweedles, this is a cultural matter. It's a masculinity crisis. It's birthed out of a culture that worships death, destruction and most of all, gunz.

Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, Wade Page, James Holmes, Jared Loughner, et al, had nothing to do with the "military".

Moron.....for you to be right, this wouldn't have been the case...you dumb ass...

Over the last 26 years, we went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 18.6 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
The anti-gun hypothesis and argument.....

More Guns = More Gun crime regardless of any other factors.

Actual Result:

In the U.S....as more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years, gun murder down 49%, gun crime down 75%, violent crime down 72%

The result: Exact opposite of theory of anti-gunners....

In Science when you have a theory, when that theory is tested....and the exact opposite result happens...that means your theory is wrong. That is science....not left wing wishful thinking.



Whatever the crime rate does......as more Americans owned more guns the crime rate did not go up....so again...



Britain...
More Guns = More Gun Crime
Britain had access to guns before they banned them.....they had low gun crime, low gun murder.
They banned guns, the gun murder rate spiked for 10 years then returned to the same level...
Your Theory again....
More guns = More Gun Crime
Guns Banned creates no change? That means banning guns for law abiding gun owners had no effect on gun crime.
When your theory states one thing, and you implement your theory, and nothing changes....in science, that means your theory is wrong...
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Maine tops ‘safest states’ rankings four years after removing major gun restriction

When Maine passed a “Constitutional Carry” law allowing Maine residents to carry a concealed firearm without any special permit in 2015, opponents of the law forecast a dangerous future for the state. They said the new law would hurt public safety and put Maine kids at risk.



One state representative who opposed the bill went so far as to say it would give Mainers a reason to be afraid every time they went out in public or to work.

Another state representative suggested the law would lead to violent criminals with recent arrests and convictions legally carrying handguns.


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Now four years later, Maine has been named the safest state in the nation according to US News and World Report’s public safety rankings, which measures the fifty states based on crime data.



Ranking as the top safest state for violent crime and fourth for property crime, Maine edges out another New England state, Vermont, for the top spot. Of note, Vermont also is a “Constitutional Carry” state. New Hampshire ranks third in the national rankings, giving New England all three of the top spots in the nation.

In 2018, Maine was edged out by Vermont in the same “safest states” ranking, but declared the best state overall in the broader “Crime and Corrections” category.

In 2017, using a different methodology, Maine was ranked second among the fifty states in the “Crime and Corrections” category and also second in the categories used to rank the “safest states.”

The U.S. News and World Report “Best States” rankings are built in partnership with McKinsey & Company, a firm that works closely with state leaders around the nation.

Maine has also ranked at the top of other state rankings. WalletHub.com recently ranked Maine second in “Personal and Residential Safety” among the fifty states, and third overall.

Vermont is the most rural state in the nation, Shiznits. And Maine is close behind.

Sorry, you asshat......you don't get to say, "More guns = More gun crime...unless it is a small state....." Doesn't work with your theory you moron.....

I made no such equation, nor did I proffer a "theory". Go forth and learn to read.