Martin Luther King Jr and Obama share something in common

[California Girl]

Monkey, what you fail to realize is that the Republican Party during the time of slavery were very liberal and more like today's Democrats and not conservatives so Lincoln was a Republican in name but not in philosophy, modern day Republicans forget these points when they go around bragging about all the good the Republican Party has done.

And King was a Republican. Flail judges the Republicans with his own racist opinion - wishing all conservatives, republicans and tea baggers to burn in hell. What a charming individual. What a great example of a black (or mixed race) man he is. Doesn't matter about the individual - if you're a conservative, you burn in hell. Sorry, Charlie, you can defend the guy from now till hell freezes over but he is hoisted by his own petard.

King followed the example of Ghandi. According to Flail, that means he's a wimp. On the contrary... Ghandi was one of the greatest individuals ever to walk this planet. The world is a better place because of his example. And the same is true of Martin Luther King. They are giants among us.

And, lest we forget, the Democrats lay claim to old school Republicans and great Democrats.... and they are not the party that Kennedy knew. They are not the party that MLK knew. They are not the owners of the moral highground. They use minorities for votes - they don't give a crap about individual blacks or any other minority. Conservatives do. We want to give them the tools to stand on their own two feet and be our equal - not our 'pet project'.

MLK was not a damn registered Republican, you need to quit repeating that lie. During his lifetime MLK never formally registered with any political party. I don't agree with everything Flaylo says but I do agree with him when he says MLK was not a Republican neither was was he a Democrat and I wish the Republicans would stop trying to claim MLK's legacy as their own as he was *NOT* politically conservative. That wiki article you keep citing has no citation backing the claim that MLK's father was a Black republican and as wiki artzicles can be altered by anyone that statement is unreliable and unfounded.

And don't give me that jive that MLK was so good because he was nonviolent like Gandhi because your Republican Party are not nonviolent people and sent this country to war which is something that MLK opposes. MLK's nonviolent strategy worked because of the advent of modern television that broadcast live footage of whites committing violence against blacks, and it was the right thing to do under those special circumstances but you're retarded if you think people shouldn't defend themselves against violence. You like MLK because of his advocation of nonviolence resistance, not because of his total legacy.


I unlike King fully support self defense against violence, the real "asses" are those who attacked people who peacefully and nonviolently marched for civil rights, not the people who advocated self defense which you see as evil if its black people defending themselves against white mob violence.

Charlie, I would prefer MLK not be a Republican.... and, again, I am not a damned Republican. So knock off calling me one. I have never been a Republican. Conservatives are not all Republicans. I like MLK because of what he achieved - I happen to agree with him that non-violence and public disobedience - particularly during that time - was far more effective than those who tried to bring about change than violence. At that time, in those circumstances, non violence was the most effective tool.

 

[ConHog]

Dr King was a communist? Oh brother, now I HAVE heard it all.

In the 1950s and 60s MLK was unjustly called a Communist and racist, yes he was and the accusations had no truth to them but that didn't stop the FBI from spying on MLK with wiretaps.

That's not what I said. Of course he was accused of that back then, who wasn't ? I was commenting on your little buddy there saying he was a communist in this thread.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Charlie, I would prefer MLK not be a Republican.... and, again, I am not a damned Republican. So knock off calling me one. I have never been a Republican. Conservatives are not all Republicans. I like MLK because of what he achieved - I happen to agree with him that non-violence and public disobedience - particularly during that time - was far more effective than those who tried to bring about change than violence. At that time, in those circumstances, non violence was the most effective tool.

CG, enough with your distortions, let me repeat again, that advocates of self defense to *NOT* advocate violence to bring about change, thats the fundamental difference between arm rebellion and self defense. Self defense is to protect oneself and if any of the those blacks who were brutalized by white mob violence were to strike back in self defense it would have been justified. White mob violence against peacefully marching blacks was violence and the total opposite of self defense. I believe that if blacks would have fought back against white mob violence the white mobs would have been less inclined to attack blacks since those white mobs were cowards to begin with anyways.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Dr King was a communist? Oh brother, now I HAVE heard it all.

In the 1950s and 60s MLK was unjustly called a Communist and racist, yes he was and the accusations had no truth to them but that didn't stop the FBI from spying on MLK with wiretaps.

That's not what I said. Of course he was accused of that back then, who wasn't ? I was commenting on your little buddy there saying he was a communist in this thread.

I never saw where Flaylo called MLK a communist. The Op states that like Obama MLk was assailed and derided as a communist by those who wanted to discredit him and Flaylo was right.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Once a victim always a victim huh Bass?

Tissue?

 

[Sheldon]

I'm just amazed how people don't understand the Southern Strategy. The Republicans and Democrats back then weren't the same as today. You really think Lincoln would be a registered Republican or conservative today? His pseudo-dictatorial actions as President show that wasn't a practicer of small government, and pro-abolition was the anti-thesis of conservatism at the time.

The Republican Party grew out of the civil war as the pro-abolition party, among other things. Through the industrial revolution, the turn of the century, the Jazz Age, the War years, and up until the Civil Rights movement, the Republican party was on the right side of this nation's social history.

When the south turned as a response to the CRA, white southern racists left the LBJ-led Democrat Party -- "we've lost the south for a generation" -- for the GOP. That's the facts. The path of both parties run through the Jim Crow south. Democrats started it then left it; Republicans picked it up and carried it on.

MLK transcended cheap-ass political party labels. His work stretched far beyond anything either of those circus acts could hope to accomplish. He was, in my view, a party of one with a legion of progressive minds.

 

[Mini 14]

Well, its been a fun thread....

But since it is obvious Bass and flaylo want to create their own history, regardless of historical record, I'm going to step out and watch. It is becoming more and more amusing with each post, especially those of Bass. I would love to live in his world, if only for a day. I wonder if the sky is blue there too?

Note to Bass:

If you can add that Dr. King was an astronaut, and that Malcolm X was the lead singer of the Ojays, I think it will help your stories and you might even garner a few more believers from the astro-nerd and entertainment crowds.

Just a thought......

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Well, its been a fun thread....

But since it is obvious Bass and flaylo want to create their own history, regardless of historical record, I'm going to step out and watch. It is becoming more and more amusing with each post, especially those of Bass. I would love to live in his world if, only for a day. I wonder if the sky is blue there too?

Note to Bass:

If you can add that Dr. King was an astronaut, and that Malcolm X was the lead singer of the Ojays, I think it will help your stories and you might even garner a few more believers from the astro-nerd and entertainment crowds.

Just a thought......

Post evidence MLK was a Republican or shut up. Also post evidence that the words I posted from MLK's speeches were false.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I'm just amazed how people don't understand the Southern Strategy. The Republicans and Democrats back then weren't the same as today. You really think Lincoln would be a registered Republican or conservative today? His pseudo-dictatorial actions as President show that wasn't a practicer of small government, and pro-abolition was the anti-thesis of conservatism at the time.

The Republican Party grew out of the civil war as the pro-abolition party, among other things. Through the industrial revolution, the turn of the century, the Jazz Age, the War years, and up until the Civil Rights movement, the Republican party was on the right side of this nation's social history.

When the south turned as a response to the CRA, white southern racists left the LBJ-led Democrat Party -- "we've lost the south for a generation" -- for the GOP. That's the facts. The path of both parties run through the Jim Crow south. Democrats started it then left it; Republicans picked it up and carried it on.

MLK transcended cheap-ass political party labels. His work stretched far beyond anything either of those circus acts could hope to accomplish. He was, in my view, a party of one with a legion of progressive minds.

You are correct. Blacks started leaving the Republican Party as early as 1912 and it only intensified when FDR came out with the New Deal. The only true outright racists who supported segregation in the Democratic Party was Southern Democrats who eventually left the Party to become Republicans. Republicans like to ignore the fact that ideologically speaking the Republicans during Lincoln's era were very liberal and far from anything like the Republican Party today.

 

[Flaylo]

Well, its been a fun thread....

But since it is obvious Bass and flaylo want to create their own history, regardless of historical record, I'm going to step out and watch. It is becoming more and more amusing with each post, especially those of Bass. I would love to live in his world, if only for a day. I wonder if the sky is blue there too?

Note to Bass:

If you can add that Dr. King was an astronaut, and that Malcolm X was the lead singer of the Ojays, I think it will help your stories and you might even garner a few more believers from the astro-nerd and entertainment crowds.

Just a thought......

With all due respect you're a fucking idiot who ignores what he doesn't like even when its the truth.

 

[DiveCon]

If your point was that some people hate Obama because he's a Black man who doesn't know his place, then certainly that true.

Who can deny that such overt racism still exists?

We see that racist attitude playing out here on this board pretty much daily.

OTOH, Obama did win an the election, something that wasn't possible when MLK was alive.

And certainly not every person who faults Obama does so for racist reasons.

Many( most, I suspect) of the people who loathe Obama loathe his politics.

We are living through hateful times.

Had Hillary been elected I have little doubt that the TEA PARTY movement would still have adherents.

And while I mostly disagree with their POV and their solutions to the nation's problems, I don't think race is the dominant issue that motivates them top protest.

It's fairly clear that these people hated Clinton with the same kind of intensity.

Its hard to believe everything you just said when you have people in the Tea Bastards calling Obama Communist, socialist and Muslim and people within the Tea Bastard movement who are sincerely all about the issues refuse to condemn the fungus among them. As with MLK, race wasn't the dominant factor in the attacks on him either, power was the motivating factor in the attacks. If Hilary was president you might still have some discontented conservatives out there but it would not be to the level of the opposition against Obama. A person of color in any high position of power is always under greater scrutiny.

interesting, when did Al Sharpton join the tea party movement?

 

[DiveCon]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGlJzTzemok&feature=related]YouTube - Al Sharpton - "American's Overwhelmingly Voted for Socialism when they elected President Obama"[/ame]

 

[California Girl]

Charlie, I would prefer MLK not be a Republican.... and, again, I am not a damned Republican. So knock off calling me one. I have never been a Republican. Conservatives are not all Republicans. I like MLK because of what he achieved - I happen to agree with him that non-violence and public disobedience - particularly during that time - was far more effective than those who tried to bring about change than violence. At that time, in those circumstances, non violence was the most effective tool.

CG, enough with your distortions, let me repeat again, that advocates of self defense to *NOT* advocate violence to bring about change, thats the fundamental difference between arm rebellion and self defense. Self defense is to protect oneself and if any of the those blacks who were brutalized by white mob violence were to strike back in self defense it would have been justified. White mob violence against peacefully marching blacks was violence and the total opposite of self defense. I believe that if blacks would have fought back against white mob violence the white mobs would have been less inclined to attack blacks since those white mobs were cowards to begin with anyways.

Charlie, you do not need to teach me things I already know.

Of course it would have been justified. BUT... they did not strike back. That was King's idea of non-violence. And, yea, those white who attack the marchers, they absolutely were cowards. But that doesn't change one significant thing. Had the marchers met violence with violence, it probably would have led to a race war, and who do you think would have 'won' that? Yea, the whites. And do you think we would have a black POTUS now? No, and our society - with all its flaws - would not have the kind of attitudes that it does now. Because, despite what many blacks may want to believe - white people do NOT hate you. I know it's inconvenient for you but its a fact.

Your little friend, Flail, stated that King was a communist - read through his posts - he clearly said it.

He also made a few false allegations about me, personally. I am sick and tired of some whiny assed little brat lying about me Charlie. So, I'm not letting him get away with lying again. Your friend is a liar. He is a misogynist. He is a racist. And he is a coward.

 

[Flaylo]

Charlie, I would prefer MLK not be a Republican.... and, again, I am not a damned Republican. So knock off calling me one. I have never been a Republican. Conservatives are not all Republicans. I like MLK because of what he achieved - I happen to agree with him that non-violence and public disobedience - particularly during that time - was far more effective than those who tried to bring about change than violence. At that time, in those circumstances, non violence was the most effective tool.

CG, enough with your distortions, let me repeat again, that advocates of self defense to *NOT* advocate violence to bring about change, thats the fundamental difference between arm rebellion and self defense. Self defense is to protect oneself and if any of the those blacks who were brutalized by white mob violence were to strike back in self defense it would have been justified. White mob violence against peacefully marching blacks was violence and the total opposite of self defense. I believe that if blacks would have fought back against white mob violence the white mobs would have been less inclined to attack blacks since those white mobs were cowards to begin with anyways.

Charlie, you do not need to teach me things I already know.

Of course it would have been justified. BUT... they did not strike back. That was King's idea of non-violence. And, yea, those white who attack the marchers, they absolutely were cowards. But that doesn't change one significant thing. Had the marchers met violence with violence, it probably would have led to a race war, and who do you think would have 'won' that? Yea, the whites. And do you think we would have a black POTUS now? No, and our society - with all its flaws - would not have the kind of attitudes that it does now. Because, despite what many blacks may want to believe - white people do NOT hate you. I know it's inconvenient for you but its a fact.

Your little friend, Flail, stated that King was a communist - read through his posts - he clearly said it.

He also made a few false allegations about me, personally. I am sick and tired of some whiny assed little brat lying about me Charlie. So, I'm not letting him get away with lying again. Your friend is a liar. He is a misogynist. He is a racist. And he is a coward.

You lying dipshit, I never said King was a communist, are you fucking dyslexic and in need of special education classes? I said Obama like MLK was called a Communist when the country tried to stop him in the civil rights movement. Stupid fuck.

 

[California Girl]

He was not a conservative and he was reviled by conservatives while he was living as a communist. The facts are not in line with your horseshit.

CG, enough with your distortions, let me repeat again, that advocates of self defense to *NOT* advocate violence to bring about change, thats the fundamental difference between arm rebellion and self defense. Self defense is to protect oneself and if any of the those blacks who were brutalized by white mob violence were to strike back in self defense it would have been justified. White mob violence against peacefully marching blacks was violence and the total opposite of self defense. I believe that if blacks would have fought back against white mob violence the white mobs would have been less inclined to attack blacks since those white mobs were cowards to begin with anyways.

Charlie, you do not need to teach me things I already know.

Of course it would have been justified. BUT... they did not strike back. That was King's idea of non-violence. And, yea, those white who attack the marchers, they absolutely were cowards. But that doesn't change one significant thing. Had the marchers met violence with violence, it probably would have led to a race war, and who do you think would have 'won' that? Yea, the whites. And do you think we would have a black POTUS now? No, and our society - with all its flaws - would not have the kind of attitudes that it does now. Because, despite what many blacks may want to believe - white people do NOT hate you. I know it's inconvenient for you but its a fact.

Your little friend, Flail, stated that King was a communist - read through his posts - he clearly said it.

He also made a few false allegations about me, personally. I am sick and tired of some whiny assed little brat lying about me Charlie. So, I'm not letting him get away with lying again. Your friend is a liar. He is a misogynist. He is a racist. And he is a coward.

You lying dipshit, I never said King was a communist, are you fucking dyslexic and in need of special education classes? I said Obama like MLK was called a Communist when the country tried to stop him in the civil rights movement. Stupid fuck.

Now, here is the quote, by you that states, very clearly, that (according to you) King was 'living as a communist'. So which of us is a liar, little man?

You have a growing laundry list of lies, just like your Messiah. And, every time you get called on it, you use misogynist insults, accuse others of racism, and scream like a two year old. You have lied about me, you have lied about King, you lie even when the fucking truth is there in black and white for everyone to see.

More than that, you state in your sig that 'all things conservative, republican and tea bagger' should burn in hell. You are such a fucking hater that you don't even recognize them as human beings. Now, if I said the same thing about blacks - you would (rightly) call me a racist..... So, how the fuck is it ok for you to say it about those who hold to a different political ideal? Answer me that, little man. But you won't. You'll do your usual whine and probably use the words 'shut the fuck up'. You moronic, racist, misogynistic, lying little
man.

FYI: Still waiting for your evidence about your last lie about me.... the one where you claim I said 'I love you'. Fucking moron. You don't even have the balls to 'fess up to that one.

 

[L.K.Eder]

mlk sr is the father of mlk jr

 

[Flaylo]

He was not a conservative and he was reviled by conservatives while he was living as a communist. The facts are not in line with your horseshit.

My statement when read in its proper context states that while he was living he was reviled as a communist by conservatives you illiterate fucking retard.

 

[California Girl]

He was not a conservative and he was reviled by conservatives while he was living as a communist. The facts are not in line with your horseshit.

My statement when read in its proper context states that while he was living he was reviled as a communist by conservatives you illiterate fucking retard.

I did not change the context. I used your whole post - as it was, without deleting one fucking word. It is clear - you state that 'he' (meaning King) was 'living as a communist'. Face facts - they are there in black and white on this damned thread - you said King was a communist. I don't know how you can pretend anything otherwise. Just one more example of what a lying little POS you are.

And I notice that, yet again, instead of addressing the rest of my comments, you delete them.... How old are you? Two? Do you put your hands over your ears and close your eyes and think that means no one can see you for the hypocritical little lying POS that you are?

You are a liar. You are a misogynist. You are a racist. You are a coward.

 

[L.K.Eder]

for tweedletwit:

He was not a conservative and he was reviled by conservatives - while he was living - as a communist.

 

[Flaylo]

My statement when read in its proper context states that while he was living he was reviled as a communist by conservatives you illiterate fucking retard.

I did not change the context. I used your whole post - as it was, without deleting one fucking word. It is clear - you state that 'he' (meaning King) was 'living as a communist'. Face facts - they are there in black and white on this damned thread - you said King was a communist. I don't know how you can pretend anything otherwise. Just one more example of what a lying little POS you are.

And I notice that, yet again, instead of addressing the rest of my comments, you delete them.... How old are you? Two? Do you put your hands over your ears and close your eyes and think that means no one can see you for the hypocritical little lying POS that you are?

You are a liar. You are a misogynist. You are a racist. You are a coward.

You changed the context on my post dipshit and clearly by the tone of the OP its can clearly be seen that I don't think King was a communist so shut the fuck up and stop being a bitchy little drama queen.