Many Recipients of Government Funds Don't Know they Receive Government Funds

[Neotrotsky]

supporting the failed pension plans of private industries?
Corporate welfare to cover the failures of private industry and keep down the public outrage.

Read your own wiki link, it was suppose to be funded by non gov't monies.
The public outrage should be on how poor the gov't ran it
In fact, there should be public outrage on how poor the gov't runs everything

Technically speaking it would not really be corporate welfare; it would be
pensioner welfare. The company is question is long gone and bankrupt

Hey, perhaps if we taxed businesses more to fund the plan that would help

Obviously if a corp pension fund fails the pensioners should just be cut off.
Just like if a privatized SS system failed.

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

 

[Antiderivative]

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

Trotskies and the Bolsheviks would like that.

However, you try to pretend that you are a new breed.

 

[uscitizen]

Read your own wiki link, it was suppose to be funded by non gov't monies.
The public outrage should be on how poor the gov't ran it
In fact, there should be public outrage on how poor the gov't runs everything

Technically speaking it would not really be corporate welfare; it would be
pensioner welfare. The company is question is long gone and bankrupt

Hey, perhaps if we taxed businesses more to fund the plan that would help

Obviously if a corp pension fund fails the pensioners should just be cut off.
Just like if a privatized SS system failed.

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

HUH? You totally ignoring the rampant personal fiscal irresponsibility of the citizens here for the last few decades?
Using their home equity as a credit card to buy boats, cars, etc?
NINJA loans ring a bell?

Dream if you want but I deal a bit more in reality.
WE elect our leaders and re-elect them, they are pretty much a mirror of US.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

Trotskies and the Bolsheviks would like that.

However, you try to pretend that you are a new breed.

Get a history book, "Trotskies and the Bolsheviks"
would love what the US is doing right now,
Comrade

 

[Neotrotsky]

Obviously if a corp pension fund fails the pensioners should just be cut off.
Just like if a privatized SS system failed.

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

HUH? You totally ignoring the rampant personal fiscal irresponsibility of the citizens here for the last few decades?

NINJA loans ring a bell?

Dream if you want but I deal a bit more in reality.

Glad to see you think so much of the masses
Of course, your apparent belief in the pristine gov't fiscal policy is troubling.

If the monies were still with held but put into IRA like plans then over time
that person and the country would be better off.

It limits the involvement of politicians and allows people to take
more control of their own money. Imagine, politicians would not be able
to use your own money to play politics with you. What would they ever do?

For example, The city of Galveston opted out in the 1970 when certain groups could do so at that time. A study by GAO and SSA showed that
the Galveston plan can be better than Social Security

You see the report here, it is a pdf

 

[uscitizen]

Of course, your apparent belief in the pristine gov't fiscal policy is troubling.

Where the heck did you get that from my posts?

here is my reply in full,


HUH? You totally ignoring the rampant personal fiscal irresponsibility of the citizens here for the last few decades?
Using their home equity as a credit card to buy boats, cars, etc?
NINJA loans ring a bell?

Dream if you want but I deal a bit more in reality.
WE elect our leaders and re-elect them, they are pretty much a mirror of US.

 

[Antiderivative]

Perhaps if the gov't allowed people to control more
of their own monies in investments as opposed to some
yellowing IOU sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund,
these questions would not be necessary.

Hey, maybe we should give the gov't even more in with holding taxes
to help out. Considering what a fine job the gov't has done with our
money already

Trotskies and the Bolsheviks would like that.

However, you try to pretend that you are a new breed.

Get a history book, "Trotskies and the Bolsheviks"
would love what the US is doing right now,
Comrade

I know, but you are some sort of new breed, right?

 

[Neotrotsky]

Trotskies and the Bolsheviks would like that.

However, you try to pretend that you are a new breed.

Get a history book, "Trotskies and the Bolsheviks"
would love what the US is doing right now,
Comrade

I know, but you are some sort of new breed, right?

Not at all.
Lets just say I am someone who is rather familiar with Communism.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Of course, your apparent belief in the pristine gov't fiscal policy is troubling.

Where the heck did you get that from my posts?

here is my reply in full,


HUH? You totally ignoring the rampant personal fiscal irresponsibility of the citizens here for the last few decades?
Using their home equity as a credit card to buy boats, cars, etc?
NINJA loans ring a bell?

Dream if you want but I deal a bit more in reality.
WE elect our leaders and re-elect them, they are pretty much a mirror of US.

It was said as satire

 

[candycorn]

I'd argue that tax breaks aren't government benefits, but there is certainly enough on this list to show that a significant number of recipients of government funds don't know they receive government funds.

"Keep your government hands off my Medicare," said a citizen attending a town hall meeting in Simpsonville, S.C., in 2009. Many Americans like him -- who benefit from federal largesse but don't realize it -- favor deep cuts to government programs.

Cornell Chronicle: Recipients of federal aid say they're not

We are definitely seeing that here in Florida, where current Governor Rick Scott is polling at all time lows of 29%. Yet Scott is doing exactly what he said he'd do and nothing more.

All of us in this country are warmed by fires started by others. It was what made America great and unique. Conservatives seem to only want certain people to feel any warmth with the wrong-headed notion that all of those who enjoy the bounty of the American Harvest will do nothing but consume.

 

[Antiderivative]

Not at all.
Lets just say I am someone who is rather familiar with Communism.

What are your feelings on Mondragon?

Plus, most communistic countries are state capitalistic countries who committed vile acts. Proudhon warned Marx about this.

 

[Synthaholic]

You continue to display your ignorance. Who paid for the internet's infrastructure? Government.

Wrong. Private industry paid for 99% of it in the beginning, and 100% of it now. Can you name one government owned piece of hardware required to run the internet?

You're a fucking moron:

Internet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Neotrotsky]

Not at all.
Lets just say I am someone who is rather familiar with Communism.

What are your feelings on Mondragon?

Just so you know, being familiar with communism
does not mean I support it in anyway as a form of gov't.

In fact, I find all CPE's, regardless of name, to be useless,
oppressive and potential dangerous.

However, if free people choose to form a non governmental collective
more power to them.

 

[Antiderivative]

Just so you know, being familiar with communism
does not mean I support it in anyway as a form of gov't.

Communism is anarchy. It is a classless and stateless philosophy.

Saying that the government supports it is a misnomer.

 

[Neotrotsky]

Just so you know, being familiar with communism
does not mean I support it in anyway as a form of gov't.

Communism is anarchy. It is a classless and stateless philosophy.

Saying that the government supports it is a misnomer.

Your are correct that is stateless by definition,

My experience has been with the socialists that seek Communism as the long term goal
With the dictatorship of the proletariat in our socialist state, one could, in theory, eventually achieve Communism .

Quite often, this kind of gov't is referred to as Communist by habit.
My apologies for any confusion.

 

[dblack]

Just so you know, being familiar with communism
does not mean I support it in anyway as a form of gov't.

Communism is anarchy. It is a classless and stateless philosophy.

Saying that the government supports it is a misnomer.

As long as we're splitting hairs, the anarchy of Communism or Libertarian theory is, in fact, a "form of government". It's government that avoids the device of compulsive state authority.

Just sayin'.

 

[Ame®icano]

You continue to display your ignorance. Who paid for the internet's infrastructure? Government.

Wrong. Private industry paid for 99% of it in the beginning, and 100% of it now. Can you name one government owned piece of hardware required to run the internet?

Government "kill switch".