Mancow gets Waterboarded!

After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com



They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.

As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp officers and guards were convicted of torture that clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas.

In 1983, federal prosecutors charged a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies with violating prisoners' civil rights by forcing confessions. The complaint alleged that the officers conspired to "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning."

The four defendants were convicted, and the sheriff was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The study of law is, after all, largely the study of history. The law of war is no different. This history should be of value to those who seek to understand what the law is -- as well as what it ought to be.

Evan Wallach, a judge at the U.S. Court of International Trade in New York, teaches the law

of war as an adjunct professor at Brooklyn Law School and New York Law School.



Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com
 
After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com



They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.

As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp officers and guards were convicted of torture that clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas.

In 1983, federal prosecutors charged a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies with violating prisoners' civil rights by forcing confessions. The complaint alleged that the officers conspired to "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning."

The four defendants were convicted, and the sheriff was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The study of law is, after all, largely the study of history. The law of war is no different. This history should be of value to those who seek to understand what the law is -- as well as what it ought to be.

Evan Wallach, a judge at the U.S. Court of International Trade in New York, teaches the law

of war as an adjunct professor at Brooklyn Law School and New York Law School.



Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

He busted you Shogun! It says USED to be a crime. He's right!!!! :eusa_shhh:
 
After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com



They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.

As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp officers and guards were convicted of torture that clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas.

In 1983, federal prosecutors charged a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies with violating prisoners' civil rights by forcing confessions. The complaint alleged that the officers conspired to "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning."

The four defendants were convicted, and the sheriff was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The study of law is, after all, largely the study of history. The law of war is no different. This history should be of value to those who seek to understand what the law is -- as well as what it ought to be.

Evan Wallach, a judge at the U.S. Court of International Trade in New York, teaches the law

of war as an adjunct professor at Brooklyn Law School and New York Law School.



Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

He busted you Shogun! It says USED to be a crime. He's right!!!! :eusa_shhh:

perhaps you should go ahead and read the article and catch the tone of what was written....
 
After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: "I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure." He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. "Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning," he replied, "just gasping between life and death."

Nielsen's experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials.
Leading members of Japan's military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com



They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.

And from the second prisoner: They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.

As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp officers and guards were convicted of torture that clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the "water cure" to question Filipino guerrillas.

In 1983, federal prosecutors charged a Texas sheriff and three of his deputies with violating prisoners' civil rights by forcing confessions. The complaint alleged that the officers conspired to "subject prisoners to a suffocating water torture ordeal in order to coerce confessions. This generally included the placement of a towel over the nose and mouth of the prisoner and the pouring of water in the towel until the prisoner began to move, jerk, or otherwise indicate that he was suffocating and/or drowning."

The four defendants were convicted, and the sheriff was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

The study of law is, after all, largely the study of history. The law of war is no different. This history should be of value to those who seek to understand what the law is -- as well as what it ought to be.

Evan Wallach, a judge at the U.S. Court of International Trade in New York, teaches the law

of war as an adjunct professor at Brooklyn Law School and New York Law School.



Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

He busted you Shogun! It says USED to be a crime. He's right!!!! :eusa_shhh:

perhaps you should go ahead and read the article and catch the tone of what was written....

You know I was kidding, right? :lol:
 
...so says a bunch of laughable "legal experts" used by the former administration in order to get people like you to say dumb shit like that. Tell me, would you prosecute an Iranian military for waterboarding American troops? I mean, if it's LEGAL then they were just extracting intel, right?
 
Correct Sho I would not prosecute them for waterboarding. Legal is legal.

Every American service personnel serving in Iraq should be wary of people with you opinion, dude. I realize that you are forced to take such consistency given the rediculous nature of your position but you've essentially just validated the torture of American soldiers. It wasn't legal in WW2 and no one held a fucking forum declaring it legal outside of some bullshit legalese fabricated by the former admin. Unfortunately, the talking oint rhetorical bullshit trickles down, it seems.
 
You've debated with me enough times to know that the popularity of my opinion makes no nevermind to me. Id prefer them waterboarded to beheaded.
 
Indeed, should be watcing out for excuses to behead now too?

Enhanced death?


Tell me, WHAT changed to make waterboarding, apparently, legal in between NOW and back when we were busy prosecuting japs for doing it? Maybe you can tell me who voted on what law to make such legal (outside of bullshit legalese used by the last admin like he did signing statements)
 
cite your source. simply SAYING that the definition of torture changed is laughable bullshit. So, what year was this quarum held to decide, OFFICIALLY, that waterboarding is no longer the same kind of TORTURE that we held japs accountable for? I bet you can't name anyone other than the very people being called out for such legalistic bullshit.


And, again, should we go ahead and prepare for validated beheadings too? Can we draw and quarter a terrorist? I bet a few of them would talk if we used a hot poker to gouge out their eyes! Don't you know terrorists don't need 10 fingers? When can we look forward to the full fruition of your tapdancing?
 
You would say it was laughable yet still no prosecutions. As you know Sho I have no sympathy for our enemy we have had soldiers and civilians tortured and beheaded simple Shoot On Sight would be sufficient
 
You would say it was laughable yet still no prosecutions. As you know Sho I have no sympathy for our enemy we have had soldiers and civilians tortured and beheaded simple Shoot On Sight would be sufficient

I asked you a specific question. Give me names and dates from a source that proves that the definition and scope of torture was changed AFTER ww2 and PRIOR to bushco fishing for excuses. I don't care if you have sympathy or not. But we both know that turnabout is fairplay. If YOU want to torture then you've damned our military to recieve the same deal. If YOU can validate shooting on sight then I guess you really shouldn't get bent out of shape when THEY do the exact same thing.

so, go ahead and show me the exact moment that the definition of torture all of a sudden stopped including the very activity that we tried japs for.
 
Id rather a terrorist be in pain than an innocent civilian be killed. If you can't say the same you are a coward in my opinion.

In my opinion, you are an idiot.

I'd rather that the US didn't compromise its principles out of fear. That's true cowardice.
Do those principles place a higher value on the rights of terrorists than Americans?

For if you had been in charge, the Library Tower in LA would have been attacked.

Americans would have died, losing their basic rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And yet, somehow, that is unimportant to you?

I hear much talk about the "rights" of terrorists but little talk about the rights of those Americans who lost their lives on 9/11.

Something to keep in mind.
 
Do you really want to talk about the rights of dead people this far after the phantom WMDs invasion of iraq?


Tell me.. what else can we do to evil terrorists? Can we get a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' *******, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch? Can we saw off fingers if YOU think Jack Bauer would approve? Be specific. Let's find out exactly where YOUR line stands. Genital smashing? Hot poker in the eyes? Vlad "Let the TERRORISTS slide down a giant fucking spike" tepes? Shall we bring back ye ole crucifixion? Come on, dude.. let us hear exactly how far your 24 mind will take us.

the fucking ghost of Uday is calling shenanigans.
 
Cowards are people that want the government to sanction their actions regarding torture. If they weren't cowards they'd be able to justify their actions in a court of law.
 
Do you really want to talk about the rights of dead people this far after the phantom WMDs invasion of iraq?


Tell me.. what else can we do to evil terrorists? Can we get a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' *******, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch? Can we saw off fingers if YOU think Jack Bauer would approve? Be specific. Let's find out exactly where YOUR line stands. Genital smashing? Hot poker in the eyes? Vlad "Let the TERRORISTS slide down a giant fucking spike" tepes? Shall we bring back ye ole crucifixion? Come on, dude.. let us hear exactly how far your 24 mind will take us.

the fucking ghost of Uday is calling shenanigans.
I've actually never watched 24, so my opinion is my own.

But I pose an interesting question. Are the rights of those who were murdered unimportant?
 

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