Manafort Suing DOJ

[Ricky LIbtardo]

DOJ didn't have the authority to appoint Mueller.

There was no crime.

You can't go fishing for a crime. Just political witch hunt which will backfire when we find out once and for all the FBI paid Fusion for the dossier.

 

[TNHarley]

Manafort sues Mueller in Russia probe - CNNPolitics
Would like to see how this plays out.

 

[TNHarley]

You can laugh if you want but if brings up good points.
Do you or do you not want the govt held accountable?

 

[bendog]

Hold your breath.

 

[Lewdog]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

 

[miketx]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

What part of a witch hunt is anyones job?

 

[TheOldSchool]

If the Whitewater investigations hadn't ended in impeachment over a consensual bj then I'd say Manafort might have a point!

Manafort's argument here? "I've spent my career working for Russia's benefit, but that has NOTHING to do with Russia sabotaging our election process in favor of the campaign I was running !"

 

[depotoo]

Read the exceptions there, dear heart...

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

 

[TheOldSchool]

You can laugh if you want but if brings up good points.
Do you or do you not want the govt held accountable?

They're being held accountable as we speak. Manafort is the one demanding a stop to it.

 

[Lewdog]

If the Whitewater investigations hadn't ended in impeachment over a consensual bj then I'd say Manafort might have a point!

Manafort's argument here? "I've spent my career working for Russia's benefit, but that has NOTHING to do with Russia sabotaging our election process in favor of the campaign I was running !"

Yeah part of his argument is that he was interviewed by the DoJ and FBI back in 2014 and didn't get charged then, so why should he be charged now.

What a fucking idiot response is this?

 

[Lewdog]

Read the exceptions there, dear heart...

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

Read what I said again sugar muffin.

"You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job..."

Mueller hasn't done anything wrong.

 

[TNHarley]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

 

[Lewdog]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

Yes I have, and Mueller didn't do ANY of the things that would cause him not to be protected under the immunity.

 

[TNHarley]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

Yes I have, and Mueller didn't do ANY of the things that would cause him not to be protected under the immunity.

well, thats what the suit is about, your honor.

 

[basquebromance]

What if Trump uses Manafort's allegation as cause to order the firing of not Mueller, but Rosenstein? Or both of them?

Mueller: YOU'RE FIRED!

 

[Lewdog]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

Yes I have, and Mueller didn't do ANY of the things that would cause him not to be protected under the immunity.

well, thats what the suit is about, your honor.

And it will be thrown out of court, and rather quickly. Mueller did his job. I hate to break this to you, but a person can be charged with a separate crime if it is discovered while conducting an investigation into a different one. It's all about probable cause.

 

[TNHarley]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

Yes I have, and Mueller didn't do ANY of the things that would cause him not to be protected under the immunity.

well, thats what the suit is about, your honor.

The Manafort lawsuit alleges Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Mueller have unlawfully exceeded the authorities allowed under the law governing special counsel appointments. The lawsuit contends that the order Rosenstein signed to appoint Mueller "exceeds the scope of Mr. Rosenstein's authority to appoint special counsel as well as specific restrictions on the scope of such appointments."
The focus is on a part of the Rosenstein order that says that Mueller may investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." The Manafort lawyers say that goes beyond what the law allows Rosenstein to empower Mueller to do.
The Rosenstein order gives Mueller "carte blanche to investigate and pursue criminal charges in connection with anything he stumbles across while investigating, no matter how remote from the specific matter identified as the subject of the appointment order," the lawsuit says.

And it will be thrown out of court, and rather quickly. Mueller did his job. I hate to break this to you, but a person can be charged with a separate crime if it is discovered while conducting an investigation into a different one. It's all about probable cause.

 

[Lewdog]

You can't sue a prosecutor for doing their job...

"Prosecutor Immunity
One of the biggest challenges in malicious prosecution cases based on the filing of criminal charges is prosecutor immunity. State and federal laws give prosecutors and other law enforcement employees immunity from liability for malicious prosecution. This immunity is meant to protect prosecutors and law enforcement so they can do their job without constantly having to defend against accusations of malicious prosecution. The concern is that every person who claims innocence might try to sue the prosecutor for wrongful prosecution.

There are, however, limits to this immunity. If the person bringing a malicious prosecution suit can show that the prosecutor acted outside his authority in the process of instigating or pursuing a criminal case, the immunity will not extend to those actions in most jurisdictions. If the businessman can prove, for example, that the prosecutor paid a witness to testify to certain things or created false documents, the prosecutor probably would not have immunity, because those actions would be outside the scope of the prosecutor’s job."

Suing for Damages: Malicious Prosecution in a Criminal Case

You didnt read everything you posted and the what he is suing for, did ya?

Yes I have, and Mueller didn't do ANY of the things that would cause him not to be protected under the immunity.

well, thats what the suit is about, your honor.

The Manafort lawsuit alleges Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Mueller have unlawfully exceeded the authorities allowed under the law governing special counsel appointments. The lawsuit contends that the order Rosenstein signed to appoint Mueller "exceeds the scope of Mr. Rosenstein's authority to appoint special counsel as well as specific restrictions on the scope of such appointments."
The focus is on a part of the Rosenstein order that says that Mueller may investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." The Manafort lawyers say that goes beyond what the law allows Rosenstein to empower Mueller to do.
The Rosenstein order gives Mueller "carte blanche to investigate and pursue criminal charges in connection with anything he stumbles across while investigating, no matter how remote from the specific matter identified as the subject of the appointment order," the lawsuit says.

And it will be thrown out of court, and rather quickly. Mueller did his job. I hate to break this to you, but a person can be charged with a separate crime if it is discovered while conducting an investigation into a different one. It's all about probable cause.

You wrote your response in the wrong place...

But Rosenstein DID have the power to do so, because the AG recused himself. Also as I already stated, in the process of investigating a crime, if evidence of a different crime is uncovered, they can collect that evidence and file different charges through probable cause.

So Mueller going through financial records in search of Russian collusion, and he uncovers tax evasion, he is well within his power to file charges for that.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Manafort sues Mueller, Justice Department

Appears to be true...shots fired...LoL. Not often you see a criminal suing his prosecutor

"President Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, has filed a lawsuit challenging the authority of special counsel Robert Mueller.
In a court filing, lawyers for Manafort argue that the order establishing Mueller's investigation is overly broad and not permitted under Justice Department regulations.
“The investigation of Mr. Manafort is completely unmoored from the Special Counsel’s original jurisdiction to investigate ‘any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump,’ ” the complaint reads.
“It has instead focused on unrelated, decade-old business dealings—specifically, Ukraine political campaign consulting activities of Mr. Manafort.”
Manafort pleaded not guilty to multiple counts in October, including conspiracy against the United States and money laundering related to his work for a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine."

 

[busybee01]

DOJ didn't have the authority to appoint Mueller.

There was no crime.

You can't go fishing for a crime. Just political witch hunt which will backfire when we find out once and for all the FBI paid Fusion for the dossier.

I would suggest a good doctor. They can cure anything these days even insanity. The fact is that the Justice Department was investigating Manafort even before Mueller was appointed.