Making good on the promise: House GOP to Vote on Obamacare Repeal Within Weeks

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    Guy Benson over at Townhall has written a piece regarding the House-led GOP's intentions to bring a vote to repeal 'obamacare' within weeks.

    Hopefully this will be just before obama's SOTU address. Why? It will make for some excellent 'fireworks', and many of us who have refused to watch even one of the man's SOTU speeches, may actually tune in :D

    As Guy quotes:

    (snips)
    Read the whole thing, with access to embedded source links, at the link above....


    How many dems will 'jump ship' in the vote?
    Any predictions?

    Stay tuned....
     
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    A good first step. I will not be happy until we repeal it. The last thing we need is another entitlement program.
     
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    Guess you will die unhappy.:lol:
     
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    The repeal of "Obamacare" is a clear admission by the conservatives that they consider healthcare to be the same as any other private commodity - effectively abandoning those elements of society who can't afford access.

    The "irony" is that its the political representatives of the "red" states (South, Midwest) which have the lowest average life expectancies, the greatest medical needs and the most to grain from a "public" system, that are its most vociferous critics!
     
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    I don't know where you hail from, but in my neck o' the woods, ER's cannot turn down treatment due to inability to pay. Those who cannot afford healthcare go there already.

    And since I may be a few weeks away from losing my job (basically due to automation), I'll be in the same boat as "those who cannot afford" health-care.

    But, I've already looked into it, and there are plenty of programs out there for folks who cannot pay, or don't have means to pay.

    The problem comes in when people who abuse the system, and simply refuse to pay, burden everyone else.
     
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    1. Every system (taxation, investments, justice, etc) is going to attract some level of abuse - but does it make sense to penalize "the many" because "the few" might recerve something they don't deserve?

    2. As in the "justice system," it is better to error on the side of letting the "guilty" go free ("reasonable doubt"), rather than convict an innocent person. Following the same principle, it is better to provide healthcare to all, rather than withhold medical care in the fear that they might be scamming" the system.

    3. Using the Canadian model where public healthcare is provided for all citizens through general tax revenues, (irrespective of one's economic status) the prospects of "scamming" the government are substantially reduced particularly since there is only 1 healthcare administrator - the province!


    4. Needless to say, the private insurance companies in American have a vested interest in ensuring that regardless of its merits, an affordable public healthcare is not allowed to erode into their share of the 15.3% GDP ($3 372(US) per capita) that is being spent on their services (2006 figures).

    With Canadians spending considerably less of their GDP on healthcare and with average private insurance premiums of only $917, their system routinely outperforms its American counterpart in terms of costs and outcomes. With that additional 5% GDP at its disposal, the US could finance a virtual "mountain range" of abuses and still have a system that is far superior to that which is currently in place!
     
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    Is it right to ask "the many" to pay for those who could just as easily pay for their own?


    Scamming has been going on for years, and govt providing the healthcare will not stop that. Govt can't get "cash for clunkers" right, let along root out all the wasteful spending and scamming that goes on within medicare/medicaid and other govt provided healthcare programs currently.


    And the quality of that care sucks rotten eggs.
    Why?

    I know someone who's friend was on a waiting list in canada, for a mammogram. She knew she had breast cancer but they needed to do another mammogram to get a good look.

    She's dead now.




    Of course they do.
    Govt doesn't have to compete with anyone, and their costs are lower.

    Mind you, I think many health insurance companies do their own share of "scamming", but, letting the free markets, and "customers" themselves determine which insurance company is the best, is the way to put the bad ones out of business.
     
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    If "Talismen" is going to withhold his support of healthcare or any public system until its "scam-proof" it will never happen. As is the case with most arguments involving conservatives, one side provides examples with references - while the other side summarily dismisses them but invariably provides no documented evidence to support its claims!

    The "scam" argument is just another in the long list of "roadblocks" that the GOP has set up to resist change and promote the vested interests of the private sector (HMO's, insurance cimpanies) that bankrolls them!

    Whatever its deficiencies, the Canadian health system doesn't have the luxury of excluding 1/6th of its poorest citizens because they're not insured.

    If private healthcare system actually promoted competition, why is the ratio of American "medical tourists" leaving the country for foreign healthcare, as compared to "medical tourists" entering the US approximately 10:1?
     
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    Thank you...You just proved my point. :clap2:

    It's easier for government to just ignore the scamming, and instead just steal more money out of the pockets of those who earn it, in order to hide said scamming.

    Actually fixing the problem isn't something government is capable of doing, so they just patch it with more money, or act like the need is really greater and it's not scamming that is increasing the cost.

    It's all bullshit.


    PS - I'm not a "his"...I'm a woman.
    Hence the reason for the "Lady Templar" moniker right under my username, near my avvy.
     
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    Breaking promises, wasting time and money, and passing legislation that will go nowhere.

    Trifecta!

    Good job!
     

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