Making animal rights and biocentrism a major political topic

The sad fact is that people really don't care that they subsidize cruelty. There have been so many videos that show the reality of the livestock industry but really, people choose not to face the fact that they are the cause of what they refuse to even look at.

People who eat meat will rant and rave about other cultures eating a relatively few dogs, they'll rant about cruelty to pets but will eat a dead animal and pretend its not the same.


Take responsibility for what you say and do.

As someone who has hunted and slaughtered pigs, I think your thinking we all bury our heads in the sand is a bit naive.

I stand by what I wrote. My bet is that very few do not know the meat they eat is produced with absolutely mind-numbing cruelty. They know and they choose to ignore it.

Less than 6% of our population hunts and most people live in urban areas. For many, the closest they get to a real animal is when they sit down in front of their dinner plate. For them, "meat" is bloodless, clean, pristine, wrapped in plastic and found under bright lights in a display case. Hell, many believe their tomatoes come from a grocery store and have no clue as to the reality behind their food.

Further, many people, if they think of it at all, have the image of something like Davy Crockett when they think about hunting.

I don't have much respect for hunters because I've often seen the result of what they actually do. I doubt most people, including hunters, would be able to kill their own food if dropped off at a slaughterhouse but peoplere willing to pay others to do it for them. Although I question the motives of many who hunt, I will give them that they are willing to get their hands dirty.

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Regardless, but for hunters, a great many urban people would put their lives in their hands driving to buy their tofu as their route to the vegan store would likely involve crashing into deer.
 
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Have you ever visited a farm ? No not what peta calls a farm I am talking about a real farm. One like mine , a small place where my wife and I try to make a living doing what we love -milking cows. We work 12-20 hour days growing feed ,cleaning barns, milking,checking the girls at 2 am because we heard a weird noise in the maternity pen . I know my cows are happy and i don't want or need someone who doesn't have a clue making new rules or laws .
You realize that the vegan (PETA) people have been known to accuse you dairy farmers of sexually abusing your cows by milking them? Just say in'.
 
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Have you ever visited a farm ? No not what peta calls a farm I am talking about a real farm. One like mine , a small place where my wife and I try to make a living doing what we love -milking cows. We work 12-20 hour days growing feed ,cleaning barns, milking,checking the girls at 2 am because we heard a weird noise in the maternity pen . I know my cows are happy and i don't want or need someone who doesn't have a clue making new rules or laws .
You realize that the vegan (PETA) people have been known to accuse you dairy farmers of sexually abusing your cows by milking them? Just say in'.

Ironically enough, they also usually support abortion but claim to be concerned about the sanctity of all life.
 
I just can't take up for dumb animals over my fellow humans. Animals are to be subjugated for the use of mankind, according to God.
 
Have you ever visited a farm ? No not what peta calls a farm I am talking about a real farm. One like mine , a small place where my wife and I try to make a living doing what we love -milking cows. We work 12-20 hour days growing feed ,cleaning barns, milking,checking the girls at 2 am because we heard a weird noise in the maternity pen . I know my cows are happy and i don't want or need someone who doesn't have a clue making new rules or laws .
You realize that the vegan (PETA) people have been known to accuse you dairy farmers of sexually abusing your cows by milking them? Just say in'.

Yes, well, the same people who say that are the people who say it's sexual abuse to confirm fetal age by sonogram....but it's just good medicine to scrape a girl's uterus without doing so.
 
It's all about politics. Where was PETA and the Sierra club other animal rights groups when Barry Hussein signed an executive order that allowed windmill farms to keep killing migratory birds and hawks and eagles and even the occasional condor for the next 30 years? Most of the so-called "animal rights" groups are nothing but dirty tricks political pressure groups run by the DNC.

Comparing a few hundred or even a few thousand to THIS?

TEN BILLION in the US alone. And that's just so-called "food" animals.

Nope. You'll have to do better than that.
Do you eat meat?

No. I have not eaten dead animals for more than 30 years.

I also do not eat dairy products or wear leather.

I do eat eggs from a neighbor's chickens. If I did not have that source, I would not buy/eat factory farmed eggs from battery chickens.
So, nuts and fruit... You are what you eat, they say.
 
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The sad fact is that people really don't care that they subsidize cruelty. There have been so many videos that show the reality of the livestock industry but really, people choose not to face the fact that they are the cause of what they refuse to even look at.

People who eat meat will rant and rave about other cultures eating a relatively few dogs, they'll rant about cruelty to pets but will eat a dead animal and pretend its not the same.


Take responsibility for what you say and do.

As someone who has hunted and slaughtered pigs, I think your thinking we all bury our heads in the sand is a bit naive.

I stand by what I wrote. My bet is that very few do not know the meat they eat is produced with absolutely mind-numbing cruelty. They know and they choose to ignore it.

Less than 6% of our population hunts and most people live in urban areas. For many, the closest they get to a real animal is when they sit down in front of their dinner plate. For them, "meat" is bloodless, clean, pristine, wrapped in plastic and found under bright lights in a display case. Hell, many believe their tomatoes come from a grocery store and have no clue as to the reality behind their food.

Further, many people, if they think of it at all, have the image of something like Davy Crockett when they think about hunting.

I don't have much respect for hunters because I've often seen the result of what they actually do. I doubt most people, including hunters, would be able to kill their own food if dropped off at a slaughterhouse but peoplere willing to pay others to do it for them. Although I question the motives of many who hunt, I will give them that they are willing to get their hands dirty.
I pay others to distill the whiskey I sell. Why should I feel guilty paying others to kill the meat I don't kill myself every fall?
I feel no joy when I shoot a deer, but I do feel a certain sense of satisfaction and yes, some pride.
I hunt, I eat meat, I drink milk, I have chickens for eggs and I wear leather. I feel no shame in that whatever.
 
The sad fact is that people really don't care that they subsidize cruelty. There have been so many videos that show the reality of the livestock industry but really, people choose not to face the fact that they are the cause of what they refuse to even look at.

People who eat meat will rant and rave about other cultures eating a relatively few dogs, they'll rant about cruelty to pets but will eat a dead animal and pretend its not the same.


Take responsibility for what you say and do.

As someone who has hunted and slaughtered pigs, I think your thinking we all bury our heads in the sand is a bit naive.

I stand by what I wrote. My bet is that very few do not know the meat they eat is produced with absolutely mind-numbing cruelty. They know and they choose to ignore it.

Less than 6% of our population hunts and most people live in urban areas. For many, the closest they get to a real animal is when they sit down in front of their dinner plate. For them, "meat" is bloodless, clean, pristine, wrapped in plastic and found under bright lights in a display case. Hell, many believe their tomatoes come from a grocery store and have no clue as to the reality behind their food.

Further, many people, if they think of it at all, have the image of something like Davy Crockett when they think about hunting.

I don't have much respect for hunters because I've often seen the result of what they actually do. I doubt most people, including hunters, would be able to kill their own food if dropped off at a slaughterhouse but peoplere willing to pay others to do it for them. Although I question the motives of many who hunt, I will give them that they are willing to get their hands dirty.
I pay others to distill the whiskey I sell. Why should I feel guilty paying others to kill the meat I don't kill myself every fall?
I feel no joy when I shoot a deer, but I do feel a certain sense of satisfaction and yes, some pride.
I hunt, I eat meat, I drink milk, I have chickens for eggs and I wear leather. I feel no shame in that whatever.

Shhhh! Yesterday LN posted they were at the dentist. They apparently don't mind receiving the benefit of cruel animal research.
 
My ex had a friend who was a vegetarian. We were invited for dinner one night (her husband loved his Porter House)
I was unaware of her affliction and wore a deerskin jacket made from hides I had shot.
She was thoroughly appalled; called me a murderer.
I wasn't real happy but held my tongue. Later in the evening, they were showing us the rest of the house. As we walked into the master bedroom the lady mentioned that her dad owned a shoe store. She opened a closet to reveal maybe 150 pairs of shoes. I excused myself and ran off to the bathroom to laugh in private. My wife, however had some carefully chosen words for the hypocritical bitch.
 
Xenon Mission

I continue to believe that the best way to promote biocentrism in our age of consumerism is to properly advertise the social value and eco-system benefits of SeaWorld.

Putting that aside, here's another nifty deed:

*Cars these days come with energy-efficient and hence eco-friendly Xenon headlights. The light emitted from these lamps is much easier to see in fog and rainy conditions and is therefore safer for drivers and animals crossing the road at night.

This simple adjustment to your car not only makes you less 'traffic clumsy,' but it chases away the proverbial modern age 'Speed Racer Hobgoblin.'





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Xenon Mission

I continue to believe that the best way to promote biocentrism in our age of consumerism is to properly advertise the social value and eco-system benefits of SeaWorld.
I assume you are being sarcastic there. If not, you are truly unique among animal rights people in relation to Sea World
 
The Zookeeper Tort


Early man (australopithecines) ate only fruits and vegetables. When the species changed and began hunting animals for food, man grew in size (and hunger).

Today, our fast food world of free market commercialism (i.e., eBay, Burger King, eTrade, etc.) gives rise to Wall Street tycoons and obesity problems related to unmoderated consumption. Our Earth and general health suffers from it.

Why do we celebrate comic book avatars such as Wolverine (Marvel Comics), a mutant whose special skills of tracking and clawing make him a semi-wolf humanoid primed for hunting? Why do we make Hollywood (USA) movies such as "The Wolf of Wall Street" (2013)?

If there is a World War III, will the frontlines be drawn around consumption propaganda?




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Wolverine (Wikipedia)


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What is the most effective way of making animal rights a real political and ethical focus in this country? In addition, what is the most effective way to influence the masses towards a biocentric focus towards life instead of the superiority of the human species?

Should people be shown the images of slaughterhouses and processing plants around the country in order to truly know how they got their pork chop? Should people be forced to help kill and gut their cow before they sit down for their steak at a restaurant? Should people be allowed to use animals as entertainment even when that animal has no concept of what it is that is it being exploited for? Should people be allowed to abuse or neglect an animal? Should people experience the same anguish that animals feel when experimented on in order for them to have empathy for that life?

This is not an attempt to change minds. I am genuinely curious what everybody simply thinks on the matter. I myself am a proud vegan and advocate of animal rights and biocentrism, but i am just wondering what your thoughts are.

There's no effective way to make Americans give a damn about animals when they don't even give a damn about people.
 
Not sure; seems some care much more for their dogs than their brothers and sisters.
 
What is the most effective way of making animal rights a real political and ethical focus in this country? In addition, what is the most effective way to influence the masses towards a biocentric focus towards life instead of the superiority of the human species?

Should people be shown the images of slaughterhouses and processing plants around the country in order to truly know how they got their pork chop? Should people be forced to help kill and gut their cow before they sit down for their steak at a restaurant? Should people be allowed to use animals as entertainment even when that animal has no concept of what it is that is it being exploited for? Should people be allowed to abuse or neglect an animal? Should people experience the same anguish that animals feel when experimented on in order for them to have empathy for that life?

This is not an attempt to change minds. I am genuinely curious what everybody simply thinks on the matter. I myself am a proud vegan and advocate of animal rights and biocentrism, but i am just wondering what your thoughts are.
I'm going to eat a hamburger and think about what you said.
 

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