Make up your mind, America

[daveman]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Yes...


we need to be more friendly to business

See what Communists do?

 

[JBeukema]

Who said any of that?

Oh, yeah...no one.

Communists are stupid.

Those are some of the cost-increasing measures that make us so 'hostile to business'

So who's spoken against them?

Degree of difficulty: The voices in your head don't count.

You, in post two, when you attacked the evil democrats for making us hostile to business

 

[JBeukema]

Nobody is advocating communism, moron

Just you.

try again, mr beck

 

[daveman]

Those are some of the cost-increasing measures that make us so 'hostile to business'

So who's spoken against them?

Degree of difficulty: The voices in your head don't count.

You, in post two, when you attacked the evil democrats for making us hostile to business

I have no obligation to defend against your irrationality.

 

[daveman]

Nobody is advocating communism, moron

Just you.

try again, mr beck

Gosh, you're stupid. You claim to support a Communist philosophy, but aren't a Communist?

Like I said: Communists are stupid. Thanks for confirming.

 

[JBeukema]

Just you.

try again, mr beck

Gosh, you're stupid. You claim to support a Communist philosophy, but aren't a Communist?

Like I said: Communists are stupid. Thanks for confirming.

do cite, mr beck

 

[daveman]

try again, mr beck

Gosh, you're stupid. You claim to support a Communist philosophy, but aren't a Communist?

Like I said: Communists are stupid. Thanks for confirming.

do cite, mr beck

Who's Mr. Beck, you stupid Communist?

Oh, you're still paying more attention to the voices in your head than to reality. Gotta tell you, dood...they're not very reliable.

You said you were a Shactmanite, which is an offshoot of Marxism.

You stupid Communist.

 

[JBeukema]

Gosh, you're stupid. You claim to support a Communist philosophy, but aren't a Communist?

Like I said: Communists are stupid. Thanks for confirming.

do cite, mr beck

Who's Mr. Beck, you stupid Communist?

Oh, you're still paying more attention to the voices in your head than to reality. Gotta tell you, dood...they're not very reliable.

You said you were a Shactmanite, which is an offshoot of Marxism.

You stupid Communist.

Fail.

I said I was a right/social democratic schachtmanite

click the link you linked to and read it


Once again, you get held back in class.

You're an idiot.
Read the linked section:

Social Democratic Shachtmanism

Social democratic Shachtmanism, called "Right Shachtmanism" by detractors, later developed by Shachtman and espoused by the Social Democrats USA, holds Stalinist nations to be worse than Western capitalism. As a result, adherents will often side with the U.S. government in international conflicts against Stalinist groups, such as the Vietnam War, and countries with governments seen as being under the influence of Stalinism, such as Cuba. This viewpoint was popularized within Shachtmanism in the 1960s and 1970s.

Let's click that first link:

Social democracy is a political ideology of the centre-left on the classic political spectrum. The contemporary social democratic movement seeks to reform capitalism to align it with the ethical ideals of social justice while maintaining the capitalist mode of production, as opposed to creating an alternative socialist economic system.[1] Practical modern social democratic policies include the promotion of a welfare state, and the creation of economic democracy as a means to secure workers' rights.[2]
Historically, social democracy was a form of evolutionary reformist socialism[2] that advocated the establishment of a socialist economy through class struggle. During the early 20th century, major European social democratic parties began to reject elements of Marxism, Revolutionary socialism and class struggle, taking a moderate position that socialism could be established through political reforms. The distinction between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism had yet to fully develop at this time. The Frankfurt Declaration of the Socialist International in 1951, attended by many social democratic parties from across the world, committed adherents to oppose Bolshevik communism and Stalinism, and to promote a gradual transformation of capitalism into socialism.[3]
Social democracy, as practiced in Europe in 1951, was a socialist movement supporting gradualism; the belief that gradual democratic reforms to capitalist economies will eventually succeed in creating a socialist economy.[4] rejecting forcible imposition of socialism through revolutionary means.[4] This gradualism has resulted in various far left groups, including communists, of accusing social democracy of accepting the values of capitalist society and therefore not being a genuine form of socialism[4],instead labeling it a concession made to the working class classes by the ruling class. Social democracy rejects the Marxian principle of dictatorship of the proletariat and the creation of a socialist state, claiming that gradualist democratic reforms will improve the rights of the working class.[5]
Since the rise in popularity of the New Right and neoliberalism, a number of prominent social democratic parties have abandoned the goal of the gradual evolution of capitalism to socialism and instead support welfare state capitalism.[6] Social democracy as such has arisen as a distinct ideology from democratic socialism.

 

[JBeukema]

You are a very disturbed person. You have no concept of what socialism is nor what it leads to.

Really?


The working man in a nation with socialist reforms:

The labouring class in a nation without such reforms (or with no enforcement of them);

Metro Group Linked to Horrific Sweatshop Conditions in Bangladesh - The National Labor Committee



Dirty Clothes - The National Labor Committee

China's Youth Meet Microsoft - The National Labor Committee





I'm sure as hell glad I live in a nation that's seen socialist reforms.

Countries that use OR USED the socialist systems
U.S.S.R.
Nazi Germany
Cuba
North Korea
China

That's funny as hell. Again, go forth and read. I recommend Schactman as a starting point.

bureaucratic collectivist oligarchy =/= socislism.


Google: Anti-Stalinist Socialists

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/121506-the-difference-between-communism-and-socialism.html