Make up your mind, America

[JBeukema]

which is it?

 

[daveman]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

People keep getting lost in the idea that freedom and prosperity are mutually exclusive.

If is things like free trade that make for more efficiency for the consumer and better paying jobs for the worker.

It is monopoly that causes high prices and high unemployment.

 

[loosecannon]

I would like to see a very strong "Made in the USA" campaign.

If we as American consumers cut back 20% on our imports from China we would eliminate our trade deficit with those currency manipulators.

Perhaps a stricter mandate that consumer products be labeled according to their origin would assist us in reducing our personal trade deficits.

 

[JBeukema]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Better to be 'hostile to business', as you call believing in human dignity, than

Nightmare on Sesame Street - Introduction - The National Labor Committee

Dirty Clothes Nygard, Dillard's, J.C. Penney, Wal-Mart Linked to Human Trafficking and Abuse of Young Women in Jordan Sweatshop


NFL and Reebok Fumble - The National Labor Committee

The Dark Side of Sirius Satellite Radio - The National Labor Committee

Toys of Misery Made in Abusive Chinese Sweatshops - The National Labor Committee


Perhaps you'd like for us all to return to 1844 England?

 

[JBeukema]

if is things like free trade that make for more efficiency for the consumer and better paying jobs for the worker.

o rly?

youtube - broadcast yourself.

the national labor committee

the national labor committee

the national labor committee

may 14, 2009
a bangladeshi teenager who died in a garment factory that supplies cheap jeans for export to europe was "overworked to death", a rights group said.
Fatema akter, 18, a garment worker in the port city of chittagong, died during her shift in december last year, the us-based national labor committee said.
"forced to work 13 to 15 hours a day, seven days a week, fatema was sick and exhausted, with pains in her chest and arms," the report said.
Her job was to clean 90 to 100 pairs of finished jeans an hour, it said.
"rather than grant her a sick day [her supervisor] slapped her face very hard and ordered her to continue working."
the committee said an investigation showed that 14-hour shifts with few breaks were common at the factory, overtime was compulsory and workers were regularly beaten by their superiors.
The report, released this week, said 80 per cent of garments produced at the factory were supplied to german-based retail giant metro group.
Ncl has called on metro group, which sells bargain jeans across europe, to guarantee the legal rights of the workers.
A statement issued by metro group said the company was "deeply saddened" by the death and had immediately terminated its contract with the bangladeshi supplier that used the factory.
Rights groups have long questioned the working conditions in bangladesh's thousands of garment "sweatshops", which provide some of the cheapest labour in the world.
Last year spanish fashion firm zara forced the closure of a supplier's factory in the capital dhaka after workers said they were being abused.

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[Sallow]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Better to be 'hostile to business', as you call believing in human dignity, than

Nightmare on Sesame Street - Introduction - The National Labor Committee

Dirty Clothes Nygard, Dillard's, J.C. Penney, Wal-Mart Linked to Human Trafficking and Abuse of Young Women in Jordan Sweatshop


NFL and Reebok Fumble - The National Labor Committee

The Dark Side of Sirius Satellite Radio - The National Labor Committee

Toys of Misery Made in Abusive Chinese Sweatshops - The National Labor Committee


Perhaps you'd like for us all to return to 1844 England?

Yes sir ree..

Laissez faire and it's wonderous effects.

 

[Truthmatters]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

 

[kiwiman127]

Fair Trade over Free Trade!

 

[Oddball]

I hate the smell of Hegelian dialectic in the morning.

 

[JBeukema]

I'm always amazed that there are useful idiots in the working class who actually oppose the 8-hour work day, the minimum wage, fire escapes, and mandatory housing around moving gears.

 

[kiwiman127]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

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Unfettered capitalism hasn't really been good for Main Street America. All one has to do is look at the Saving & Loan failures in the late 80's, the financial sector collapse that was a main culprit to our recent recession, off-shore outsourcing and flat wages for the working class. Unfettered capitalism is great for the few but not for the masses.

 

[Oddball]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

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Unfettered capitalism hasn't really been good for Main Street America. All one has to do is look at the Saving & Loan failures in the late 80's, the financial sector collapse that was a main culprit to our recent recession, off-shore outsourcing and flat wages for the working class. Unfettered capitalism is great for the few but not for the masses.

Those weren't a product of "unfettered capitalism"...They were the product of insiders gaming a highly regulated marketplace.

You want more jobs for the working classes?...The cut the taxes and regulations that have chased them offshore.

 

[JBeukema]

Unfettered Capitalism inevitably leads to colonialism and oligarchy.

You can rename the colonies Banana Republics. You can remove the pseudo-nationalist vibe in place of internationalism and 'free trade', but the fundamental nature of what is going on- and the suffering of the poor- remain unchanged.

Americans fought for socialism. They fought for the 8-hour work day, minimum wages, unionization in the face of government executions of union leadership and the killing of women and children by the bosses' thugs.

And now they not only turn their backs on their fellow-workers, content to elevate themselves to the role of the new international aristocracy- a protected class within the proletariat, content to let their fellows suffer in order that the boss can increase his profits and they can feel that they're good little capitalists-- now some would even advocate throwing it all away and returning to the sweatshops in the name of being 'friendly to business'! The 'business' of which they speak is not the workers' business. It is not the trades, nor is it the potential for entrepreneurship found in the new socialist society. it is not even the guilds of the past- it is capitalism, the very same master to which they themselves were once slaves!

 

[Sallow]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

Capitalism..without competition..is no longer capitalism.

 

[JBeukema]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

Capitalism..without competition..is no longer capitalism.

Oligopoly/monopoly are the entire aim of capitalism. The capitalist's single drive, the entire task he is assigned and readily accepts, is to snuff out the competition, minimize costs, and maximize the profit margin and net profits for himself and the few at the head of the company.

 

[daveman]

No reason we can't have both. Well, no reason but Democrats making the US a place hostile to business.

Better to be 'hostile to business', as you call believing in human dignity, than

Nightmare on Sesame Street - Introduction - The National Labor Committee

Dirty Clothes Nygard, Dillard's, J.C. Penney, Wal-Mart Linked to Human Trafficking and Abuse of Young Women in Jordan Sweatshop


NFL and Reebok Fumble - The National Labor Committee

The Dark Side of Sirius Satellite Radio - The National Labor Committee

Toys of Misery Made in Abusive Chinese Sweatshops - The National Labor Committee


Perhaps you'd like for us all to return to 1844 England?

My goodness, you're not very bright.

But, like I said before, Communists are stupid.

 

[JBeukema]

The Corporation

 

[Sallow]

Unfettered Capitalism inevitably leads to colonialism and oligarchy.

You can rename the colonies Banana Republics. You can remove the pseudo-nationalist vibe in place of internationalism and 'free trade', but the fundamental nature of what is going on- and the suffering of the poor- remain unchanged.

Americans fought for socialism. They fought for the 8-hour work day, minimum wages, unionization in the face of government executions of union leadership and the killing of women and children by the bosses' thugs.

And now they not only turn their backs on their fellow-workers, content to elevate themselves to the role of the new international aristocracy- a protected class within the proletariat, content to let their fellows suffer in order that the boss can increase his profits and they can feel that they're good little capitalists-- now some would even advocate throwing it all away and returning to the sweatshops in the name of being 'friendly to business'! The 'business' of which they speak is not the workers' business. It is not the trades, nor is it the potential for entrepreneurship found in the new socialist society. it is not even the guilds of the past- it is capitalism, the very same master to which they themselves were once slaves!

Not to mention the United States Constitution has some socialism thrown in it..

Preamble Note
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

 

[Sallow]

Which was this country designed for Unfettered capitalism or the people?

Capitalism..without competition..is no longer capitalism.

Oligopoly/monopoly are the entire aim of capitalism. The capitalist's single drive, the entire task he is assigned and readily accepts, is to snuff out the competition, minimize costs, and maximize the profit margin and net profits for himself and the few at the head of the company.

No.

It is not.

Capitalism is a mechanism to disburse goods and services. It does that by insuring competition between privately owned enterprises and through use of a profit motivation.

Take away the "competition" function..then it becomes something else.