Make Up Yer Minds, You Warmists

[rdean]

Republicans dismiss science. Why? Because they have no respect for "research". Instead, they have "imagination". They "imagine" what should happen and then work towards that outcome. Who needs statistics and data? Why study?

Iraq could have been a "land of liberty". Except the people there were ungrateful for what we did for them.

Trickle down could have worked, except companies keep moving jobs to China.

Just because the climate has been acting exactly as scientists have predicted, if there's snow, they must be wrong.

Right wing logic.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Except they were always calling it climate change. Again, how stupid do you have to be to believe anything from a CON$ervative source?????

Here is an article from 1975 calling it "climate change."

Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming? | Science/AAAS


Science 8 August 1975:
Vol. 189 no. 4201 pp. 460-463
DOI: 10.1126/science.189.4201.460
Climatic Change: Are We on the Brink of a Pronounced Global Warming?

1. Wallace S. Broecker

Abstract

If man-made dust is unimportant as a major cause of climatic change, then a strong case can be made that the present cooling trend will, within a decade or so, give way to a pronounced warming induced by carbon dioxide. By analogy with similar events in the past, the natural climatic cooling which, since 1940, has more than compensated for the carbon dioxide effect, will soon bottom out. Once this happens, the exponential rise in the atmospheric carbon dioxide content will tend to become a significant factor and by early in the next century will have driven the mean planetary temperature beyond the limits experienced during the last 1000 years.

Now you're trying to say it wasn't called globull warming back in the day and only in recent years nudged to climate change? I don't think so, Tim. Your article calls it 'climatic change'; the buzz word is 'climate change' (oh sure, they mean the same thing but 'climate change' is so much more user friendly, don't you think?). Oh and you'd better give the Goracle a buzz and let him know he's outta the loop. This is from last week.

Read more: FoxNews.com - Al Gore Explains 'Snowmageddon'

No, I'm saying the denier's claim that it was only recently changed from global warming to climate change is just more CON$ervative bullshit. The two terms have been used interchangeably all along.

From the totally discredited Media Research Center in your link from the Fox Gossip Channel propaganda network:

“First we were told the world was cooling. Then it was getting hotter,” Dan Gainor, a spokesman for the Media Research Center, tells FoxNews.com. “Then cooling again. Then hotter. Now it’s just climate change -- so they can’t be wrong no matter what change occurs.”

So globull warming was used, right? It was the buzz word dejour for years; NOW the buzz word is 'climate change'.

NOW it's just climate change (no going back to the globull warming) so they can't be wrong no matter what change occurs. Clever little pips.

Pssst, did you ever email the Goricale?

 

[Meister]

You're kidding, right? How many times does this have to be explained? If the temp "warms" from 20F to 25, it's still going to snow! It actually may snow more, because warmer air holds more moisture. The only minds that need to be made up are those of the deniers, who need to finally decide to actually study the subject instead of parroting anything that fits their bias.

And that's why they changed it from globull warming to climate change. 'Covering your ass no matter what it does so we are always right' is the warmists motto.

So, no good answer to my post, eh? Got to go with the non-sequitur. Apparently dodging the prime issues is the deniers' M.O. What about, higher temps generating more moisture results in more snow, don't you understand?!?!

You actually thought your answer to hers was a good one????? You have been indoctrinated well by your church of warmers. moron.

Climate has been changing for millions of years, dude, and will continue for millions of years to come....with or without Man.

The Earth has experienced warm periods like with the era of the dinosaurs and cold periods like with ice ages, without Man's presence. We have had mass extinctions, and life creations throughout Earth's existence...without Man's presence.
You people make me laugh.

 

[Meister]

Republicans dismiss science. Why? Because they have no respect for "research". Instead, they have "imagination". They "imagine" what should happen and then work towards that outcome. Who needs statistics and data? Why study?

Iraq could have been a "land of liberty". Except the people there were ungrateful for what we did for them.

Trickle down could have worked, except companies keep moving jobs to China.

Just because the climate has been acting exactly as scientists have predicted, if there's snow, they must be wrong.

Right wing logic.

Most critical thinking people respect science that hasn't been tainted, deen. When the IPCC uses 97 of over 1,400 papers submitted to "prove" the agenda they're seeking, it just doesn't ring true to critical thinking people.
When critical thinking people hear how the IPCC wants to rape the US of billions from the tax payers to pay for 3rd world countries, the dark comes to the light.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Now we can argue about the whys for the next 50 years, but here is a chart showing a natural forcing alone environment and what we have today. The temperatures of today supposed to be around 1915-1925 like. Of course this goes to 2000. If it went to 2010 we would be going down even faster.

 

[konradv]

Not enough snow? It's because of global warming!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d70iXVN5EVM&feature=player_embedded#


Too much snow? It's because of global warming!

Al's Journal : An Answer for Bill



Hey, what ever happened to this prediction? (thanks to MM for the article find)

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past - Environment - The Independent


What's next? Weather just right? It's because of global warming!

You could try to explain all the extra precipitation and how the extra energy puts more moisture into the atmosphere and how the earth is turned away from the sun during the winter months which is why that precipitation comes down as snow and not rain and how the glaciers are melting and how the sea levels have risen, but why bother? Why talk science with people who believe we can "build another ark"?

One of my truly favorite comments from a right winger on this board was when he called "evaporation" a "wild liberal theory".

The other one was getting turned on to a video of Bill O'Reilly saying no one knows what causes the tides. This is "conservative science".

Or, apparently noone knows much about nothin' If that was what he was saying, I concur.
and admit it, you or noone else has definitive answers. Just speculation and we already know where that leads us.

The known ability of CO2 and other gases to absorb infra-red radiation and their rise since the advent of the Industrial Revolution aren't speculation, son. How about doing some research before coming here and looking foolish?!?!

 

[Old Rocks]

You're shitting me, right? You truely believe nature doesn't outproduce man by a factor of 4000 to 1 or more?

Been happening for millyuns and billyuns of years... Damn those Pleistocean SUVs!

No we're not shitting you. If you did a little research, you wouldn't look so foolish considering that man puts more CO2 in the atmosphere in days than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year!

Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?

And yet with all that production, CO2 is still only 0.0387% of the atmosphere by volume.

Try ingesting that volume of potasium cyanide in relation to you body weight. See what happens. Very small amounts can derail large complex systems.

 

[westwall]

No we're not shitting you. If you did a little research, you wouldn't look so foolish considering that man puts more CO2 in the atmosphere in days than all the volcanoes on earth do in a normal year!

Which produces more CO2, volcanic or human activity?

And yet with all that production, CO2 is still only 0.0387% of the atmosphere by volume.

Try ingesting that volume of potasium cyanide in relation to you body weight. See what happens. Very small amounts can derail large complex systems.

How about reposting that link to the study that showed CO2 levels remained high for 1000 years while there were two warm/cold periods that shows no correlaton between CO2 level and global temperature.

 

[Big Fitz]

And yet with all that production, CO2 is still only 0.0387% of the atmosphere by volume.

Try ingesting that volume of potasium cyanide in relation to you body weight. See what happens. Very small amounts can derail large complex systems.

How about reposting that link to the study that showed CO2 levels remained high for 1000 years while there were two warm/cold periods that shows no correlaton between CO2 level and global temperature.

That involves intellectual honesty. Something not found with the chicken littles.

 

[skookerasbil]

U. S. Senate Minority Report:

More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 & 2009

INTRODUCTION:

Over 700 dissenting scientists (updates previous 650 report) from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2009 255-page U.S. Senate Minority Report -- updated from 2007’s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 700 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated report includes an additional 300 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007. The over 700 dissenting scientists are more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 and 2009 as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient developments challenged the UN’s and former Vice President Al Gore's claims that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus." On a range of issues, 2008 and 2009 proved to be challenging for the promoters of man-made climate fears. Promoters of anthropogenic warming fears endured the following: Global temperatures failing to warm; Peer-reviewed studies predicting a continued lack of warming; a failed attempt to revive the discredited “Hockey Stick”; inconvenient developments and studies regarding rising CO2; the Spotless Sun; Clouds; Antarctica; the Arctic; Greenland’s ice; Mount Kilimanjaro; Global sea ice; Causes of Hurricanes; Extreme Storms; Extinctions; Floods; Droughts; Ocean Acidification; Polar Bears; Extreme weather deaths; Frogs; lack of atmospheric dust; Malaria; the failure of oceans to warm and rise as predicted.

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

 

[skookerasbil]

U. S. Senate Minority Report:

More Than 700 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008 & 2009

INTRODUCTION:

Over 700 dissenting scientists (updates previous 650 report) from around the globe challenged man-made global warming claims made by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former Vice President Al Gore. This new 2009 255-page U.S. Senate Minority Report -- updated from 2007’s groundbreaking report of over 400 scientists who voiced skepticism about the so-called global warming “consensus” -- features the skeptical voices of over 700 prominent international scientists, including many current and former UN IPCC scientists, who have now turned against the UN IPCC. This updated report includes an additional 300 (and growing) scientists and climate researchers since the initial release in December 2007. The over 700 dissenting scientists are more than 13 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers. The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 and 2009 as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient developments challenged the UN’s and former Vice President Al Gore's claims that the "science is settled" and there is a "consensus." On a range of issues, 2008 and 2009 proved to be challenging for the promoters of man-made climate fears. Promoters of anthropogenic warming fears endured the following: Global temperatures failing to warm; Peer-reviewed studies predicting a continued lack of warming; a failed attempt to revive the discredited “Hockey Stick”; inconvenient developments and studies regarding rising CO2; the Spotless Sun; Clouds; Antarctica; the Arctic; Greenland’s ice; Mount Kilimanjaro; Global sea ice; Causes of Hurricanes; Extreme Storms; Extinctions; Floods; Droughts; Ocean Acidification; Polar Bears; Extreme weather deaths; Frogs; lack of atmospheric dust; Malaria; the failure of oceans to warm and rise as predicted.

.: U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works :: Minority Page :.

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by Madhav L. Khandekar, UN scientist, a retired Environment Canada scientist: "Unfortunately, the IPCC climate change documents do not provide an objective assessment of the earth's temperature trends and associated climate change….As one of the invited expert reviewers for the 2007 IPCC documents, I have pointed out the flawed review process used by the IPCC scientists in one of my letters. I have also pointed out in my letter that an increasing number of scientists are now questioning the hypothesis of Greenhouse gas induced warming of the earth's surface and suggesting a stronger impact of solar variability and large-scale atmospheric circulation patterns on the observed temperature increase than previously believed."

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by Andrey Illarionov, economic adviser to Vladimir Putin: “Ideology on which the Kyoto Protocol is based, is a new form of totalitarian ideology, along with Marxism, Communism and socialism.”

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by Will Harper, Princeton University physicist, former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy: “I had the privilege of being fired by Al Gore, since I refused to go along with his alarmism....I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect....Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science. The earth's climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”


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[skookerasbil]

Quote by Eduardo Tonni, paleontologist, Committee for Scientific Research, Argentina: “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.”

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by James Spann, American Meteorological Society-certified meteorologist: "Billions of dollars of grant money [over $50 billion] are flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. This is big money, make no mistake about it. Always follow the money trail and it tells a story."

 

[skookerasbil]

Governmental officials are currently casting trillions down huge rat hole to solve a problem which doesn’t exist....Packs of rats wait in that [rat] hole to reap trillions coming down it to fill advocates pockets....The money we are about to spend on drastically reducing carbon dioxide will line the pockets of the environmentalists....some politicians are standing in line to fill their pockets with kick back money for large grants to the environmental experts....In case you haven’t noticed, it is an expanding profit-making industry, growing in proportion to the horror warnings by government officials and former vice-presidents.”

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by John Takeuchi, meteorologist: “The atmosphere has periodic warming and cooling cycles. The sun is the primary source of energy impacting the earth's surface. That energy heats the land and the seas, which then warm the air above them. Water vapor and other gases in the atmosphere also affect temperature....Oceans are the main repository for CO2. They release CO2 as their temperature rises - just like your beer. This strongly suggests that warming oceans - heated by the sun - are a major contributor to CO2 in the atmosphere.”


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[skookerasbil]

Quote by Peter Dailey, director of atmospheric science, AIR Worldwide: “There is now a near consensus that global air temperatures are increasing, however, there is no consensus on how this has affected the temperature of the world’s oceans, and in particular in the Atlantic Ocean, or how much of the recent warming trend is attributable to man’s activities....For the layman, there is sometimes a tendency to regard every new ‘discovery’ or scientific finding from the latest published paper as an inviolate fact....In reality, rarely is there ever a last and final word in studies of complex systems such as earth’s environment. Rather, science is a dynamic process based on the scientific method in which researchers test hypotheses leading to new discoveries, but also reexamine earlier theories and try to improve, build upon, or extend them.”

 

[skookerasbil]

Quote by Art Raiche, former chief research scientist, Australia's Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization: “The suppression of scientific evidence that contradicts the causal link between human-generated CO2 and climate has been of great concern to ethical scientists both here in Australia and around the world....The eco-hysteria that leads the Greens, as well as the left-leaning media, to attack any person who attempts to publish science that contradicts their beliefs is a gross example of the dangerous doctrine that the end justifies the means.”