Majority Rule and Democracy

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    For those of you on the "right" who are fond of stating the the US is a "Republic, not a democracy", or otherwise express distrust of democracy, what gives? I certainly wouldn't say that democracy will always produces good results, but what else you got? Does "anti-democratic" strike you as a better mode of governing? Why shouldn't government follow the will of the people?

    To be clear, I'm not talking here about the representative vs direct question. Nor am I talking about Constitutional limits on government, which would presumably apply no matter how decisions were made. I'm talking about the concept that the will of the majority should direct government - whether through elected representatives or direct participation. if you reject this foundation, what would you offer as an alternative?
     
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    This nation was given a set of 'operating instructions' at it's inception.

    When all else fails, read the directions!

    ETA: The 'will of the majority' is the worst kind of government, according to those crotchety old men that started this thing...
     
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    Not sure how this answers the question. The "will of the majority" isn't a kind of government. But it is a guiding principle for a representative democracy is, where elected officials are tasked with pursuing the will of the people they represent. Do you think representative should vote against the will of their people?
     
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    If 'the will of the people' is to discount and disobey the very Constitution that formed us, ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!!!
     
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    Sure, sure... but that's a separate question. As I mentioned initially, the question of Constitutional limits on government is independent of whether its a democracy or not. I'm asking, as long as government is acting within proper Constitutional limits, why shouldn't it follow the democratic majority's wishes? And if not, how should decisions get made?
     
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    Within it's Constitutional limits. The problem with that hypothesis is that this government has pushed the envelope on limits from the start.

    We've gone from limiting the role of government to limiting the rights of the people.

    Totally Bass-ackwards...
     
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    The will of the majority, or a democracy, is a terribe form of government. Mob rule. That's why our Founding Fathers only gave the people the right to vote on the House at first. Anyway, a constitutional republic is what we are and is the best form of government so far. Much better than a democracy.
     
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    Democracy is not so much a form of government but a quality that a free society must treasure in itself and an activity that a free people engage in without fear. Freedom of association, freedom to assemble, freedom to protest in various peaceful ways are all basic forms of democracy and are sadly at peril from conservatives any time they have the power to fight it.
     
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    Your question demonstrates a lack of education of our founding. You need to spend some time reading the Constitution, the federalist papers and the anti-federalis papers. Don't accept what you've been taught or heard, read them for yourself. Most of your questions can be answered directly by the founders. Don't think you can do it in a day or even a month, it take some dedication and months. Here's a good place to start. Founders' Constitution: Table of Contents
     
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    Your full it.
     

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