Major Terror Attack On The Uk

[freeandfun1]

It is possible, if unprovable, that several hundred thousand additional police personnel could have averted what happened in London, and in other places.

Whether or not we remain commited in Iraq, and I still feel we should, we are God Damn well going to need those several hundred thousand additional police personnel worldwide, if we are to to minimize our losses.

I truly hope we find the will to do so.

I don't quite agree. The ONLY way we will stop a terrorist attack from happening is to identify the threat before hand and then thwart it. Several million police on the street would not stop what happened today... well, that is, unless those several million are stopping every single person that walks down the street to inspect their bags, autos, etc. Counterterrorism the key to preventing these events. You can have all the police in the world on the street, but unless we revert to a police state, you will not stop them once they are sent out on their mission.

 

[5stringJeff]

I think that these attacks will only stregthen the resolve of the UK to stay the course in fighting the war against terrorist scum bastards. I'd say more but I like to keep my posts rated PG.

 

[USViking]

I don't quite agree. The ONLY way we will stop a terrorist attack from happening is to identify the threat before hand and then thwart it. Several million police on the street would not stop what happened today... well, that is, unless those several million are stopping every single person that walks down the street to inspect their bags, autos, etc. Counterterrorism the key to preventing these events. You can have all the police in the world on the street, but unless we revert to a police state, you will not stop them once they are sent out on their mission.

I do not agree that that searching people who use public transport
is in any way a police state operation, if by that you mean something
that bears the slightest resemblance to such true historical police states as Nazi Germany, and the USSR.

Furthermore, not all of the additional police forces I suggest should be cops on the beat, or public transport screening personnel. We also need an army of men and women working undercover, and as detectives. I do not see how threats can be identified beforehand in any other way.

 

[freeandfun1]

I do not agree that that searching people who use public transport
is in any way a police state operation, if by that you mean something
that bears the slightest resemblance to such true historical police states as Nazi Germany, and the USSR.

Furthermore, not all of the additional police forces I suggest should be cops on the beat, or public transport screening personnel. We also need an army of men and women working undercover, and as detectives. I do not see how threats can be identified beforehand in any other way.

Well, all I can tell you is that here in Vegas the police WERE stopping people on the street and checking their bags randomly and the ACLU sued saying it was a "violation of their rights" and frankly, I would tend to agree. The practice has now stopped.

 

[OCA]

Well unfortunately this will amp up public support for removal of British troops from Iraq which was high before this attack. The Brits today are not the Brits of WWII. Just got offline with a guy I know in London, he and others are still in that fantasy world that this is a result of their relationship with us.

 

[freeandfun1]

Well unfortunately this will amp up public support for removal of British troops from Iraq which was high before this attack. The Brits today are not the Brits of WWII. Just got offline with a guy I know in London, he and others are still in that fantasy world that this is a result of their relationship with us.

I agree. On another message board I sometimes frequent, a gentleman (being nice) from London is already blabbing that this is because of their relationship with US. He also was making comments like, "us Londoners are used to terrorism and unlike 911, you don't see people clamoring to leave the city. We are already going about our normal lives".

As bad as this attack is, it is NOTHING compared to 911. The arrogance irks me.

 

[USViking]

Well, all I can tell you is that here in Vegas the police WERE stopping people on the street and checking their bags randomly and the ACLU sued saying it was a "violation of their rights" and frankly, I would tend to agree. The practice has now stopped.

Random searches are unlikely to help counterterror operations, so I am not in favor of them, for practical reasons only.

Can you give me a link on this Las Vegas story, which appears to be a purely local and isolated affair, from the information you have so far provided?

 

[dmp]

I wonder which leading democrat will be first to further the cause of the terrorist by praising their actions as 'acting out against US/Britian Agression"

Kennedy? Pelosi?

Kerry?

Dean...my money's on Dean.

 

[OCA]

I agree. On another message board I sometimes frequent, a gentleman (being nice) from London is already blabbing that this is because of their relationship with US. He also was making comments like, "us Londoners are used to terrorism and unlike 911, you don't see people clamoring to leave the city. We are already going about our normal lives".

As bad as this attack is, it is NOTHING compared to 911. The arrogance irks me.

Did he also mention the violence begets violence crap?

 

[freeandfun1]

Random searches are unlikely to help counterterror operations, so I am not in favor of them, for practical reasons only.

Can you give me a link on this Las Vegas story, which appears to be a purely local and isolated affair, from the information you have so far provided?

If you are not using the extra "thousands" on the streets for searches, then what would they be used for? You are not making sense on this issue. There is only room for a certain number of counter intelligence/counter terrorism specialists/agents, etc. Therefore, being in Iraq has not hurt our spread us too thin. If anything, it has helped in our efforts because we have been able to gather large amounts of intel.

As for the story: I will find it. This was all right after 911, so I will have to do some digging.

 

[Gem]

"us Londoners are used to terrorism and unlike 911, you don't see people clamoring to leave the city. We are already going about our normal lives".

I'm sorry...but I hope to God that the United States NEVER gets "used to" terrorism. The fact that this person would be so willing to swallow down this attack and "go about his normal life" without outrage at the people who attacked him, his family, his friends, his way of life...speak VOLUMES about his resolve to do anything other than run and hide.

Not to mention the fact that he obviously isn't walking around London at the moment...ABC and Fox are speaking at the moment about how empty London is right now...because they authorities are telling people to GO HOME and NOT COME INTO LONDON.

 

[freeandfun1]

I wonder which leading democrat will be first to further the cause of the terrorist by praising their actions as 'acting out against US/Brittan Agression"

Kennedy? Pelosi?

Kerry?

Dean...my money's on Dean.

Durbin.

 

[GotZoom]

I agree. On another message board I sometimes frequent, a gentleman (being nice) from London is already blabbing that this is because of their relationship with US. He also was making comments like, "us Londoners are used to terrorism and unlike 911, you don't see people clamoring to leave the city. We are already going about our normal lives".

As bad as this attack is, it is NOTHING compared to 911. The arrogance irks me.

He is either full of crap or one of the few cold-hearted people out there.

NO ONE is "used to terrorism." What an utterly ridiculous statement.

Some people will say anything to further their cause and beliefs.

(I just re-read that last sentence. I can't wait to see what will happen with that statement. Gabby, etc.....? )

 

[USViking]

If you are not using the extra "thousands" on the streets for searches, then what would they be used for? You are not making sense on this issue.

Here is what I said earlier, and it makes perfect sense:

"We also need an army of men and women working undercover, and as detectives."

There is only room for a certain number of counter intelligence/counter terrorism specialists/agents, etc.

You are the one who is not making sense here- staffing as many more agents as we want is simply a matter of commiting the resources.

Therefore, being in Iraq has not hurt our spread us too thin. If anything, it has helped in our efforts because we have been able to gather large amounts of intel.

I doubt there is a single terrorist in Iraq who had any idea what was going to happen in London, and even if there was a much larger domestic police force would have had a much better chance of apprehending the plotters than our undermanned forces in Iraq.

As for the story: I will find it. This was all right after 911, so I will have to do some digging.

Doesn't sound like a real big deal, huh?

 

[taff]

Well unfortunately this will amp up public support for removal of British troops from Iraq which was high before this attack. The Brits today are not the Brits of WWII. Just got offline with a guy I know in London, he and others are still in that fantasy world that this is a result of their relationship with us.

This nearly made me bite but no, i wont on a day like today.

 

[-Cp]

First of all - my thoughts are prayers go out to the people of London and the UK...

Secondly, I hope this reminds the libs out there that our war on terror is GLOBAL (i.e. not just in one theater like Afghanistan), and that our resolve must NOT be that of candy-asses...

 

[OCA]

This nearly made me bite but no, i wont on a day like today.

Whats the problem? Its not the truth? Let er rip mate!

 

[goatboy]

"The Brits today are not the Brits of WWII"

Well yes thats true, but thats true of the whole world because this is 2005.

We are a strong people here and wil never live in fear as the IRA know, after 30 years of bombing us they have given up because they knew it didnt affect us, the same will happen to anyone who threatens us or any other free country.

 

[archangel]

Having had a career in law enforcement and as a intelligence officer all I can say is if a group is determined to carry off these types of attacks...nothing law enforcement can do 100%....so the only option left is to hit them where it hurts...in essence since the Middle East Governments do in fact give monetary support to these groups as well as safe houses...when these attacks occur give them a 24 hr notice to cease and desist....then select a mosque in one or more of the offending countries and terminate it's existence.

If the process is repeated another notice is to be given that Mecca will cease to exist..if the message falls on deaf ears...terminate Mecca...

I know this will probably never happen...however this is the only thing they will respect and take notice of....anything less is a waste of time and effort...and the attacks on Western Culture will continue....

 

[taff]

Whats the problem? Its not the truth? Let er rip mate!

Well i worked for three years in counter terrorism in the UK so i have seen first hand how the Brits react to these situations.Fear,confusion and shock.Same as every other generation in every country around the world.Who are you to judge us?