Maine Gov stops bureaucrats from imposing trans bathroom rules

[OldLady]

I think the Native Americans had the right idea; they considered what you call "perversion" as sacred. A person blessed with both a male and a female spirit.
I hear what you're saying about your daughter; I don't think you'd have to worry much, though, since the male considers himself a girl.
These incidents are very rare and I've never shared a bathroom with a male in drag, so I'm not one to talk I guess.

Doesn't matter what they consider themselves. The thing is, they are ill.
Just because it is rare, doesn't mean we should succumb to insane policies and envelope peoples mentality with "its ok, its NORMAL" bullshit.
I am all for helping illness. Not normalizing it.

The "illness" you are speaking of is as ingrained in them as your heterosexuality/male identity is ingrained in you. There is no amount of counseling, electro-shock therapy or hormone adjustment that would change who you are attracted to, or make you feel less like a guy. Nothing can change how they were born, or who they are, either. The culture can force them to sneak around and keep it secret, which is what has always been done in the past. Personally I think that's cruel, and what difference does it make to those of us in the maintream, anyway, what these unusual individuals do? I know--you don't want them sharing the bathroom with you or your daughters. Until this lawsuit came up, most schools were having these kids use a private faculty bathroom and no one was complaining.
You can't change LGBT souls. If you can't live and let live, you are condemning them to lives of loneliness, shame and misery. I don't think you're really that kind of person.

I know. But we are talking about transgenders. They are mentally ill. Period.
I am all about helping them. But telling them its ok or its normal is bullshit. So is removing and/or adding artificial limbs. They still blow their heads off at a 20% rate..
They don't need pills or some religious nutbag to tell them bullshit. They need someone to talk to and love. REAL love. Not stupid shit to get them out of your face. And they need some fuckin confidence. If social concepts don't matter to them, why do they let it get to them?

Okay. Acute depression leading to suicide is certainly a mental illness, and as well as love, pills may actually help there. I'd like every LGBT to know love and confidence, too, but you've lost me on how calling them mentally ill and perverted helps.
Peace.

 

[OldLady]

Problem is, how do you know they really do consider themselves that? All they have is someones word to go on. Nothing else.

I think the Native Americans had the right idea; they considered what you call "perversion" as sacred. A person blessed with both a male and a female spirit.
I hear what you're saying about your daughter; I don't think you'd have to worry much, though, since the male considers himself a girl.
These incidents are very rare and I've never shared a bathroom with a male in drag, so I'm not one to talk I guess.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Could you ask that another way?

 

[TNHarley]

I think the Native Americans had the right idea; they considered what you call "perversion" as sacred. A person blessed with both a male and a female spirit.
I hear what you're saying about your daughter; I don't think you'd have to worry much, though, since the male considers himself a girl.
These incidents are very rare and I've never shared a bathroom with a male in drag, so I'm not one to talk I guess.

Doesn't matter what they consider themselves. The thing is, they are ill.
Just because it is rare, doesn't mean we should succumb to insane policies and envelope peoples mentality with "its ok, its NORMAL" bullshit.
I am all for helping illness. Not normalizing it.

The "illness" you are speaking of is as ingrained in them as your heterosexuality/male identity is ingrained in you. There is no amount of counseling, electro-shock therapy or hormone adjustment that would change who you are attracted to, or make you feel less like a guy. Nothing can change how they were born, or who they are, either. The culture can force them to sneak around and keep it secret, which is what has always been done in the past. Personally I think that's cruel, and what difference does it make to those of us in the maintream, anyway, what these unusual individuals do? I know--you don't want them sharing the bathroom with you or your daughters. Until this lawsuit came up, most schools were having these kids use a private faculty bathroom and no one was complaining.
You can't change LGBT souls. If you can't live and let live, you are condemning them to lives of loneliness, shame and misery. I don't think you're really that kind of person.

I know. But we are talking about transgenders. They are mentally ill. Period.
I am all about helping them. But telling them its ok or its normal is bullshit. So is removing and/or adding artificial limbs. They still blow their heads off at a 20% rate..
They don't need pills or some religious nutbag to tell them bullshit. They need someone to talk to and love. REAL love. Not stupid shit to get them out of your face. And they need some fuckin confidence. If social concepts don't matter to them, why do they let it get to them?

Okay. Acute depression leading to suicide is certainly a mental illness, and as well as love, pills may actually help there. I'd like every LGBT to know love and confidence, too, but you've lost me on how calling them mentally ill and perverted helps.
Peace.

I didn't say perverted. And mentally ill is the truth. How can you battle a problem when you think one doesn't even exist? That's insane.
Again, I am not talking about gays, just trannys.
Pills may help, but they need to actually battle a problem, not suppress it. IMO anyways.

 

[g5000]

I've pretty much thought this transgender stuff is a lot of hooey, but then I saw Chaz Bono on the tube recently. I dunno if he/she has had its plumbing redone or not, but Chaz looks a lot more like a guy than a lot of guys do.

Chaz still has to sit down to pee.

With the right lighting and photographer, you can make Alicia Silverstone look butch.

Most "female" trannies look unmistakably male. The ones who could fool you just on looks are the extreme exception.

 

[g5000]

I don't think it is violating anyone's rights to provide a separate bathroom for mixed genders. It is going too far to ask ordinary folk to share a bathroom with someone who has opposite genitalia. It simply is. Especially where children are concerned.

But then the rubes would add that third bathroom to the List O'Regulations which are costing us eleventy-trillion dollars a week.

 

[depotoo]

A teenager could decide this week they feel transgender, need to use the opposite restroom. Next week, suddenly decide not. How do you differentiate those pretending vs those truly transgender.

Problem is, how do you know they really do consider themselves that? All they have is someones word to go on. Nothing else.

I think the Native Americans had the right idea; they considered what you call "perversion" as sacred. A person blessed with both a male and a female spirit.
I hear what you're saying about your daughter; I don't think you'd have to worry much, though, since the male considers himself a girl.
These incidents are very rare and I've never shared a bathroom with a male in drag, so I'm not one to talk I guess.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Could you ask that another way?

 

[Silhouette]

I've pretty much thought this transgender stuff is a lot of hooey, but then I saw Chaz Bono on the tube recently. I dunno if he/she has had its plumbing redone or not, but Chaz looks a lot more like a guy than a lot of guys do.

Chaz still has to sit down to pee.

With the right lighting and photographer, you can make Alicia Silverstone look butch.

Most "female" trannies look unmistakably male. The ones who could fool you just on looks are the extreme exception.

I have farm animal females that have some masculine qualities to their features. Sometimes farmers even select for them. Yet they still bear young and nurse them.

Reality is. Look between your legs for details..

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Transgender bill: South Dakota moves to enact first-in-nation law

The South Dakota legislature passed a bill requiring students to use the bathroom of their gender at birth, another point in ongoing debate over balancing growing LGBT rights with those of conservatives fearful for their religious rights."
Transgender bill: South Dakota moves to enact first-in-nation law