Maduro still has support of Iran, China, Cuba, Syria and Russia.

[Theowl32]

So.....naturally the American liberal will be on Maduro's side.

We know this right?

 

[Tehon]

It's called a right to self determination. It is a liberal ideal.

 

[georgephillip]

Edgardo Lander is a Venezuelan sociologist who supported the reforms Chavez brought twenty years ago, yet he also recognizes how many of Maduro's mistakes have made the situation intolerable for many Venezuelans today:

The limits of changes – Venezuela: terminal crisis of the rentier petro-state? - International Viewpoint - online socialist magazine

"The limits of changes – Venezuela: terminal crisis of the rentier petro-state?
Friday 24 October 2014, by Edgardo Lander..."

"Over the 15 years of the Bolivarian government in Venezuela, significant changes have taken place in the political culture, the social and organisational fabric, and the material living conditions of previously excluded low-income groups.

"Through multiple social policies (known as 'missions') aimed at different sectors of the population, levels of poverty and extreme poverty have been reduced significantly.

"According to ECLAC, Venezuela has become – together with Uruguay – one of the two countries with the lowest levels of inequality in Latin America.

"People are better fed.

"Effective literacy programmes have been carried out. With Cuban support, the Barrio Adentro mission has brought primary medical care to rural and urban low-income groups throughout the country.

"The state pensions system has been massively expanded to include millions of older people.

"The increase in university enrolment has been equally extraordinary.

"For the last few years, a housing programme for people with low incomes has been taken forward. Unemployment has been kept at a low level and informal-sector employment has been reduced from 51% in mid-1999 to 41% in mid-2014."

Trump is not the solution in Venezuela either.

 

[Mr Natural]

Who is Maduro and why should I give a shit about him/her/it?

 

[Stratford57]

Well, I'm not a liberal but my home country of Ukraine is a bright example what happens when Washington interferes.

Lavrov:
This can only deepen the social divide in Venezuela, aggravate street protests, dramatically destabilise the Venezuelan political community and further escalate the conflict. The deliberate and obviously well orchestrated creation of dual power and an alternative decision-making centre in Venezuela is a direct path towards chaos and erosion of Venezuelan statehood.

We regard Washington’s unceremonious actions as yet another demonstration of its total disregard for the norms and principles of international law and an attempt to pose as the self-imposed master of another nation’s future. The United States is clearly trying to apply a tried and tested regime change scenario in Venezuela.

Venezuelans alone have the right to determine their future. Any destructive foreign interference, especially amid the current tensions, is completely unacceptable. Incitement has nothing in common with a democratic process; it is a direct path towards lawlessness and violence.
Foreign Ministry statement on the developments in Venezuela

Russian envoy in UN: There have been over 22 thousand people protesting against Macron in France, shall we talk about replacing Macron too?

Same crap has happened in my home country of Ukraine: with the "help" of Obama and Soros and under total control from Washington a semi-comfortable country of Ukraine turned into the poorest country in Europe with war, corruption and human rights suppression. Washington never cares about the people: if allowed it comes and destroys the country "in the name of democracy. "

 

[georgephillip]

Who is Maduro and why should I give a shit about him/her/it?

Venezuela Assassination Attempt: Maduro Survives But Journalism Doesn’t - Global Research

 

[Oddball]

So.....naturally the American liberal will be on Maduro's side.

We know this right?

Where's Pinochet when the world needs him?

 

[georgephillip]

Well, I'm not a liberal but my home country of Ukraine is a bright example what happens when Washington interferes.

Lavrov:
This can only deepen the social divide in Venezuela, aggravate street protests, dramatically destabilise the Venezuelan political community and further escalate the conflict. The deliberate and obviously well orchestrated creation of dual power and an alternative decision-making centre in Venezuela is a direct path towards chaos and erosion of Venezuelan statehood.

We regard Washington’s unceremonious actions as yet another demonstration of its total disregard for the norms and principles of international law and an attempt to pose as the self-imposed master of another nation’s future. The United States is clearly trying to apply a tried and tested regime change scenario in Venezuela.

Venezuelans alone have the right to determine their future. Any destructive foreign interference, especially amid the current tensions, is completely unacceptable. Incitement has nothing in common with a democratic process; it is a direct path towards lawlessness and violence.
Foreign Ministry statement on the developments in Venezuela

Russian envoy in UN: There have been over 22 thousand people protesting against Macron in France, shall we talk about replacing Macron too?

Same crap has happened in my home country of Ukraine: with the "help" of Obama and Soros and under total control from Washington a semi-comfortable country of Ukraine turned into the poorest country in Europe with war, corruption and human rights suppression. Washington never cares about the people: if allowed it comes and destroys the country "in the name of democracy. "

Same crap has happened in my home country of Ukraine: with the "help" of Obama and Soros and under total control from Washington a semi-comfortable country of Ukraine turned into the poorest country in Europe with war, corruption and human rights suppression. Washington never cares about the people: if allowed it comes and destroys the country "in the name of democracy. "

America's Ukraine Hypocrisy

"August 6, 2017 Topic: Politics Region: Europe Blog Brand: The Skeptics Tags: UkraineRussiaTrumpObamaPutin
America's Ukraine Hypocrisy
Historical records show that Washington has meddled in the political affairs of dozens of countries–including many democracies...."

Since the end of WWII, western elites have used "global" institutions like the IMF and World Bank to advance the interests of Transnational Capitalism. Ukraine and Venezuela are two of their latest victims, but they won't be the last unless major changes are made in US political leaders.

United States AFRICOM wars all over Africa?

 

[Oddball]

It's called a right to self determination. It is a liberal ideal.

You're thinking of "right to stuff the ballot box".

 

[justoffal]

So.....naturally the American liberal will be on Maduro's side.

We know this right?

In that case he, like Assad.....ain't goin nowhere. Too bad....that country really needs to be rebuilt but with allies like that he's in for the long haul.


Jo

 

[Oddball]

In that case he, like Assad.....ain't goin nowhere. Too bad....that country really needs to be rebuilt but with allies like that he's in for the long haul.


Jo

Except that Assad does need to stay right where he is.

 

[Tehon]

It's called a right to self determination. It is a liberal ideal.

You're thinking of "right to stuff the ballot box".

You're thinking of Democrats.

 

[Polishprince]

Maduro is an Ultraliberal, who along with his buddy Chavez, used to be the toast of the American Far Left. I remember the joy they had when Chavez called Dubya the devil in NY. They were joyous when the 2002 coup failed.

But these characters did was take one of the wealthiest nations on earth, with huge petroleum reserves, and transformed it into and economic basket case. That's what the libs want to do here.

 

[justoffal]

Well, I'm not a liberal but my home country of Ukraine is a bright example what happens when Washington interferes.

Lavrov:
This can only deepen the social divide in Venezuela, aggravate street protests, dramatically destabilise the Venezuelan political community and further escalate the conflict. The deliberate and obviously well orchestrated creation of dual power and an alternative decision-making centre in Venezuela is a direct path towards chaos and erosion of Venezuelan statehood.

We regard Washington’s unceremonious actions as yet another demonstration of its total disregard for the norms and principles of international law and an attempt to pose as the self-imposed master of another nation’s future. The United States is clearly trying to apply a tried and tested regime change scenario in Venezuela.

Venezuelans alone have the right to determine their future. Any destructive foreign interference, especially amid the current tensions, is completely unacceptable. Incitement has nothing in common with a democratic process; it is a direct path towards lawlessness and violence.
Foreign Ministry statement on the developments in Venezuela

Russian envoy in UN: There have been over 22 thousand people protesting against Macron in France, shall we talk about replacing Macron too?

Same crap has happened in my home country of Ukraine: with the "help" of Obama and Soros and under total control from Washington a semi-comfortable country of Ukraine turned into the poorest country in Europe with war, corruption and human rights suppression. Washington never cares about the people: if allowed it comes and destroys the country "in the name of democracy. "

NATO has been trying to use Ukraine for the past 20 years to create a bore hole in the Russian border. Most of this perverse energy is driven by greedy European bankers anxious to interfere with Russia's vast hydrocarbon energy potential. When they went as far as indicating that they might try to sever Putin's access to his Black Sea fleet in Crimea he reacted predictably. You are correct neither NATO nor the United States administration at that time gave two flying shits about the people caught in the middle.

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Maduro is an Ultraliberal, who along with his buddy Chavez, used to be the toast of the American Far Left. I remember the joy they had when Chavez called Dubya the devil in NY. They were joyous when the 2002 coup failed.

But these characters did was take one of the wealthiest nations on earth, with huge petroleum reserves, and transformed it into and economic basket case. That's what the libs want to do here.

You cannot force wealth out into a populous
by equality osmosis. Wealth by it's very definition tends to aggregate and so it becomes an easy target for the confused to point to as if to say....look! There's our share over there that greedy guy's pile! When the goverment goes in there to take it out they discover that you can't simply dissect it and pass it out to everyone; And so you end up eating zoo animals because you have hobbled the wealth that produced the beef. This lesson in Economics has played out at least a dozen times since Stalin tried it in the 30's and 40's. Looks like they have to learn it again.

Jo

 

[Moonglow]

So.....naturally the American liberal will be on Maduro's side.

We know this right?

Is that a mouse in yer pocket cause I only see one poster and no liberals don't die for Maduro, but Trump is making sure the US interferes and puts your tax dollars to work to oppose him..Enjoy sucker..

 

[Moonglow]

Maduro is an Ultraliberal, who along with his buddy Chavez, used to be the toast of the American Far Left. I remember the joy they had when Chavez called Dubya the devil in NY. They were joyous when the 2002 coup failed.

But these characters did was take one of the wealthiest nations on earth, with huge petroleum reserves, and transformed it into and economic basket case. That's what the libs want to do here.

You cannot force wealth out into a populous
by equality osmosis. Wealth by it's very definition tends to aggregate and so it becomes an easy target for the confused to point to as if to say....look! There's our share over there that greedy guy's pile! When the goverment goes in there to take it out they discover that you can't simply dissect it and pass it out to everyone; And so you end up eating zoo animals because you have hobbled the wealth that produced the beef. This lesson in Economics has played out at least a dozen times since Stalin tried it in the 30's and 40's. Looks like they have to learn it again.

Jo

The wealth was oil and in one year alone(2014) lost 45% of its market value...

 

[justoffal]

So.....naturally the American liberal will be on Maduro's side.

We know this right?

Is that a mouse in yer pocket cause I only see one poster and no liberals don't die for Maduro, but Trump is making sure the US interferes and puts your tax dollars to work to oppose him..Enjoy sucker..

But he's right.....

Jo

 

[justoffal]

Maduro is an Ultraliberal, who along with his buddy Chavez, used to be the toast of the American Far Left. I remember the joy they had when Chavez called Dubya the devil in NY. They were joyous when the 2002 coup failed.

But these characters did was take one of the wealthiest nations on earth, with huge petroleum reserves, and transformed it into and economic basket case. That's what the libs want to do here.

You cannot force wealth out into a populous
by equality osmosis. Wealth by it's very definition tends to aggregate and so it becomes an easy target for the confused to point to as if to say....look! There's our share over there that greedy guy's pile! When the goverment goes in there to take it out they discover that you can't simply dissect it and pass it out to everyone; And so you end up eating zoo animals because you have hobbled the wealth that produced the beef. This lesson in Economics has played out at least a dozen times since Stalin tried it in the 30's and 40's. Looks like they have to learn it again.

Jo

The wealth was oil and in one year alone(2014) lost 45% of its market value...

Of course it was .... And it was bound to happen because as the untold riches flowed in from the petroleum industry it was not invested into the hands of the people who know how to make it diversify. Venezuela enjoyed a good 10-year run of huge cash flow that was squandered on a Marxist Ideal... What happened to them was utterly predictable and inevitable. Once again the fruits of Marxism produce a small class of super wealthy side by side with a burgeoning populous of unskilled and financially unwise.

 

[Moonglow]

Maduro is an Ultraliberal, who along with his buddy Chavez, used to be the toast of the American Far Left. I remember the joy they had when Chavez called Dubya the devil in NY. They were joyous when the 2002 coup failed.

But these characters did was take one of the wealthiest nations on earth, with huge petroleum reserves, and transformed it into and economic basket case. That's what the libs want to do here.

You cannot force wealth out into a populous
by equality osmosis. Wealth by it's very definition tends to aggregate and so it becomes an easy target for the confused to point to as if to say....look! There's our share over there that greedy guy's pile! When the goverment goes in there to take it out they discover that you can't simply dissect it and pass it out to everyone; And so you end up eating zoo animals because you have hobbled the wealth that produced the beef. This lesson in Economics has played out at least a dozen times since Stalin tried it in the 30's and 40's. Looks like they have to learn it again.

Jo

The wealth was oil and in one year alone(2014) lost 45% of its market value...

Of course it was .... And it was bound to happen because as the untold riches flowed in from the petroleum industry it was not invested into the hands of the people who know how to make it diversify. Venezuela enjoyed a good 10-year run of huge cash flow that was squandered on a Marxist Ideal... What happened to them was utterly predictable and inevitable. Once again the fruits of Marxism produce a small class of super wealthy side by side with a burgeoning populous of unskilled and financially unwise.

Yeah it's the same in the USA..