Maddow: Without unions 'Democrats do not have a way to compete'

[NYcarbineer]

You people on the Right can't figure out why Republicans encourage a demonization of teachers, and try to scapegoat them as the main cause of every ill in the educational system??

Seriously?

oh brother...
what does that have to do with this thread, and where do Republicans "demonize" teachers?
that's dumb

Are you unconscious?

 

[Conservative]

Taking the teeth out of unions is good for America... Like any lobby group too much power is not a good thing.

Now maybe democrats will get back to being friendly to capitalistic business interests that help all American's- allowing government its real role of effective regulating and protecting American's.

Making more Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the middle/working class against another is a well worn tactic of the Rich;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from organized labor,

they'll come for yours.

Making wealthy Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the population against another is a well worn tactic of the liberals;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from the wealthy,

they'll come for yours.

 

[Conservative]

You people on the Right can't figure out why Republicans encourage a demonization of teachers, and try to scapegoat them as the main cause of every ill in the educational system??

Seriously?

oh brother...
what does that have to do with this thread, and where do Republicans "demonize" teachers?
that's dumb

Are you unconscious?

are you retarded?

 

[Buford]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

Govt union members in Wisconsin have increasingly stopped paying union dues when given an option by Gov. Walker. The game is over for the Dems.

 

[GHook93]

Unions are a good thing. When people of their own free will, opt to join a union, pay dues and accept that management is going to align with one political party (Democrats), who can argue with that?

However, when you are forced to join a union, especially a public employee union (government), and have the government take a portion of your wages to give to the union who gives to The Democrat Party, that's a problem on two core fronts:

1) Employees have no say and/or choice
2) Ultimately, taxpayers are being forced to contribute to Unions and The Democrat Party in the case(s) where employee union membership is mandatory.

Between ACORN-derived organizations and Public Service Unions, Democrats get to tap into all US Taxpayers for money. The American People are getting wise to this and don't like it. SEE Wisconsin June 2012

I don't believe Public sector Unions have any place. They should be done away with or significantly reduced to no power. Private sector Unions still have a place, but again their power must be reduced to end corruption.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under the NLRA, you cannot be required to be a member of a union or pay it any monies as a condition of employment unless the collective bargaining agreement between your employer and your union contains a provision requiring all employees to either join the union or pay union fees.

Even if there is such a provision in the agreement, the most that can be required of you is to pay the union fees (generally called an "agency fee.")

it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

 

[Conservative]

You people on the Right can't figure out why Republicans encourage a demonization of teachers, and try to scapegoat them as the main cause of every ill in the educational system??

Seriously?

That would be because we don't. Dumb ass.

Where have you been for the last few decades, under a rock?

I would never take your home away from you.

 

[Buford]

You people on the Right can't figure out why Republicans encourage a demonization of teachers, and try to scapegoat them as the main cause of every ill in the educational system??

Seriously?

oh brother...
what does that have to do with this thread, and where do Republicans "demonize" teachers?
that's dumb

Are you unconscious?

No one is demonizing teachers. The unions and the benefits are costing us too much because it's being abused by the teachers. The gravy train is coming to an end.

 

[Conservative]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under the NLRA, you cannot be required to be a member of a union or pay it any monies as a condition of employment unless the collective bargaining agreement between your employer and your union contains a provision requiring all employees to either join the union or pay union fees.

Even if there is such a provision in the agreement, the most that can be required of you is to pay the union fees (generally called an "agency fee.")

it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

you said it was just the employer. You were wrong. Man up, dickstain.

 

[Vel]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under the NLRA, you cannot be required to be a member of a union or pay it any monies as a condition of employment unless the collective bargaining agreement between your employer and your union contains a provision requiring all employees to either join the union or pay union fees.

Even if there is such a provision in the agreement, the most that can be required of you is to pay the union fees (generally called an "agency fee.")

it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

The employer decided to do collective bargaining with the union?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Taking the teeth out of unions is good for America... Like any lobby group too much power is not a good thing.

Now maybe democrats will get back to being friendly to capitalistic business interests that help all American's- allowing government its real role of effective regulating and protecting American's.

Making more Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the middle/working class against another is a well worn tactic of the Rich;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from organized labor,

they'll come for yours.

Making wealthy Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the population against another is a well worn tactic of the liberals;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from the wealthy,

they'll come for yours.

Actually when unions had more power and the wealthy paid higher taxes, the working class of this country was better off. so shut up.

 

[Buford]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation

Under the NLRA, you cannot be required to be a member of a union or pay it any monies as a condition of employment unless the collective bargaining agreement between your employer and your union contains a provision requiring all employees to either join the union or pay union fees.

Even if there is such a provision in the agreement, the most that can be required of you is to pay the union fees (generally called an "agency fee.")

it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

Bullshit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation


it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

The employer decided to do collective bargaining with the union?

That's what an agreement is.

 

[Buford]

Making more Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the middle/working class against another is a well worn tactic of the Rich;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from organized labor,

they'll come for yours.

Making wealthy Americans poorer is not going to magically make your life better. You've been duped.

Pitting one segment of the population against another is a well worn tactic of the liberals;

you can be sure, if you aren't one of them, after they've gotten the money and rights away from the wealthy,

they'll come for yours.

Actually when unions had more power and the wealthy paid higher taxes, the working class of this country was better off. so shut up.

You shut up. Your day is over. Shut the fuck up and sit down.

 

[NYcarbineer]

incorrect, dumb ass...

Can I be required to be a union member or pay dues to a union? | National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation


it's imposed by BOTH the employer and the union in the CBA.

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

Bullshit.

It's absolutely true.

 

[Vel]

That is just what I said, stated differently, you idiot. It's your employer who imposes the fee because your employer has decided to do collective bargaining with a union.

The employer decided to do collective bargaining with the union?

That's what an agreement is.

LOL If you say so

 

[Annie]

I finally agree with the sadcow dude!

Rachel Maddow Reveals the Hidden Truth About Wisconsin Protests | From Dana's Guests | DanaRoc.com

May have been posted, but this seems to me the most concise reason Maddow is right, at least according to op poster:

A Watershed Moment for the Labor Movement

A Watershed Moment for the Labor Movement
By EDWARD MORRISSEY, The Fiscal Times June 7, 2012

Have we reached a watershed moment for the labor movement? Earlier this year, Indiana became the first Rust Belt state to enact right-to-work laws. Arizona made their already-restrictive environment even tougher. And now, after targeting Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker and other republican lawmakers for more than a year, the labor movement has come up empty.

In Wisconsin, Walker’s reforms of public-sector collective bargaining were at issue. Democrats nationwide allied themselves with the unions in pushing for recall elections, and liberal pundits promised they would stop this encroachment on labor prerogatives and send a lesson to other governors around the nation. In that, at least, they succeeded, but not in the way the unions had hoped.

Despite the high-profile campaign waged by the labor movement in Wisconsin -- where unions have a long history of support – Wisconsin voters reaffirmed Walker as their governor. In fact, Walker won 125,000 more votes in the special recall election than he did in 2010, which was known as a wave election for Tea Party conservatives. He bested the same opponent, Milwaukee mayor Tom Barrett, by an even wider margin of seven points rather than the five-point victory 19 months earlier.

The lone bright spot for the recall effort was that the Democrats did take control of the state Senate by winning one of the four recall races in the chamber. The bad news, however, is that the Senate won’t be in session for the rest of the year – and the new redistricting plan goes into effect in November’s election, when 16 of the body’s 33 seats will be up for grabs. The new plan gives Republicans a good chance to win back two Democratic seats, which means that the state Senate may never get gaveled into session by new majority leader Mark Miller.

The results exposed labor’s weakness rather than strength. While it might not encourage other states to take drastic action to reduce the collective bargaining power, the impotence of the unions in what had been the heart of the progressive Midwest certainly won’t convince anyone not to try. Thanks to the millions spent by the unions in a failed attempt at undoing the 2010 election, Big Labor might not have the resources to fight on this scale again, especially with the national election on the horizon.

Nor was this the only big loss that unions took on Tuesday night. In California, where public-employee unions have exerted a strong influence on politics for decades, two cities defied the PEUs to pass badly-needed pension reforms. That may not have come as a big surprise in relatively conservative San Diego, where pension obligations now eat up 20 percent of the city’s operating budget. Halfway up the coast, though, San Jose and its Democratic-dominated government successfully convinced voters to enact a similar kind of pension reform in order to reduce the 27 percent drag on the city’s operating budget. In both cases, the unions fought the referendums, but in both cases they lost big; 66 percent of San Diego voters backed the reforms, while 70 percent in San Jose did the same.

...

 

[NLT]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

You have never heard of a closed shop?

 

[IndependntLogic]

I finally agree with the sadcow dude!

Rachel Maddow Reveals the Hidden Truth About Wisconsin Protests | From Dana's Guests | DanaRoc.com

I agree with her as well. Unions have evolved into a kind of blue-collar balancing factor to their counterparts, white-collar corporate executives. The GOP has for decades, forwarded legislation that benefits the execs over the workers and so is obviously the favored child of those execs. Obviously, they hedge their bets by contributing to the Dems too and the result is, neither party is really that far removed from the other.
Both have the same masters pulling their puppet strings.

 

[Annie]

You cannot be forced to join a union. You can be required to pay agency fees, but that is a requirement your employer imposes on you,

not the union.

You have never heard of a closed shop?

Has been the 'norm' in IL for union jobs. Very restrictive and unfair.