Lying Brainwashing Christians

[HorhayAtAMD]

Sorry that I derailed the topic... I was trying to make a point, but I guess it got lost in the translation... to try and make up for it, here's a link to Wikipedia on "irreducible complexity"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

Karl

This is the part from your link that I think completely neuters the irreducible complexity argument.

Evolution can act to simplify as well as to complicate. This raises the possibility that apparently irreducibly complex biological features may have been achieved with a period of increasing complexity, followed by a period of simplification. By analogy, stone arches are irreducibly complex — if you remove any stone the arch will collapse — yet we build them easily enough, one stone at a time, by building over scaffolding that is removed afterward. Similarly, naturally occurring arches of stone are formed by weathering away bits of stone from a large concretion that has formed previously.

I can't say it any better than that.

 

[Powerman]

This is the part from your link that I think completely neuters the irreducible complexity argument.

I can't say it any better than that.

So we can officially say that irreducible complexity is no longer a valid argument. If you are anti-evolution and use this argument you should expect to be called out on it because it has no merit.

Well folks I'm going bowling. Wish me luck!

 

[SpidermanTuba]

If Evolution, at least the way I was taught it, is correct, then we should expect to see at least some minor differences between those remains and us.

A couple thousand years is a blink of the eye as far as evolution of complex species like humans go.

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

A couple thousand years is a blink of the eye as far as evolution of complex species like humans go.

I believe that even in that short time, humans are getting taller and women are reaching puberty faster.

 

[Powerman]

I believe that even in that short time, humans are getting taller and women are reaching puberty faster.

Correct. But we are still anatomically identical in the sense that we are the same species.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I believe that even in that short time, humans are getting taller and women are reaching puberty faster.

THe tallness is not to due with genetics though, but with the improvement of our general health. Probably the puberty thing is related to that as well.

 

[HorhayAtAMD]

THe tallness is not to due with genetics though, but with the improvement of our general health. Probably the puberty thing is related to that as well.

Good point.

 

[JOKER96BRAVO]

This work?

That's the funniest thing I've seen all day.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showpost.php?p=359638&postcount=18

 

[LuvRPgrl]

This is the part from your link that I think completely neuters the irreducible complexity argument.

I can't say it any better than that.

"Quote:
Evolution can act to simplify as well as to complicate. This raises the possibility that apparently irreducibly complex biological features may have been achieved with a period of increasing complexity, followed by a period of simplification. By analogy, stone arches are irreducibly complex — if you remove any stone the arch will collapse — yet we build them easily enough, one stone at a time, by building over scaffolding that is removed afterward. Similarly, naturally occurring arches of stone are formed by weathering away bits of stone from a large concretion that has formed previously.
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so there should be some naturally formed arches that are not distinguishable from man made ones. Yet oddly enough, there dont appear to be any. In fact, stone hedge gives rise to the idea that some things are "obviously" created by an intelligent being, on purpose.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Well at least you realize that it is pseudoscience. .

thats not what she said. You are always so quick to twist things

 

[Hagbard Celine]

Those darn Christians almost got me to perform ritual cannibalism, but I resisted their mind rays.

 

[no1tovote4]

"Quote:
Evolution can act to simplify as well as to complicate. This raises the possibility that apparently irreducibly complex biological features may have been achieved with a period of increasing complexity, followed by a period of simplification. By analogy, stone arches are irreducibly complex — if you remove any stone the arch will collapse — yet we build them easily enough, one stone at a time, by building over scaffolding that is removed afterward. Similarly, naturally occurring arches of stone are formed by weathering away bits of stone from a large concretion that has formed previously.
"

so there should be some naturally formed arches that are not distinguishable from man made ones. Yet oddly enough, there dont appear to be any. In fact, stone hedge gives rise to the idea that some things are "obviously" created by an intelligent being, on purpose.

Actually a naturally formed stone arch is easily determined to be a natural phenomena and is not 'indistinguishable' from the man-made arch.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Actually a naturally formed stone arch is easily determined to be a natural phenomena and is not 'indistinguishable' from the man-made arch.

If its not indistinquishable, then how do we know its naturally formed?
How do we know intelligent beings created stonehedge?

 

[Powerman]

If its not indistinquishable, then how do we know its naturally formed?
How do we know intelligent beings created stonehedge?

Based on observation and reasoned expectation. I couldn't tell you off hand exactly who created the Camaro but based on my knowledge of every day things I'd say that it was created by a person and didn't just magically pop up like that.

 

[no1tovote4]

If its not indistinquishable, then how do we know its naturally formed?
How do we know intelligent beings created stonehedge?

If something is not 'indistinguishable' it means that it is easily distinguished to be either man-made or a natural occurance. In other word, easy to tell the difference. I was attempting to agree with you while also quoting the guys previous post.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

If something is not 'indistinguishable' it means that it is easily distinguished to be either man-made or a natural occurance. In other word, easy to tell the difference. I was attempting to agree with you while also quoting the guys previous post.

Opppps, I mis read, my mistake. Thanks for the "kindly" response.

its a double negative "not indistinguishable" so it fooled me.