Losing a friend....

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    ....due to his racism.

    Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

    I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

    Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

    I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

    I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

    I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.
     
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    No.

    'Forgiveness' is over-rated.
     
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    I'm 32 and don't really comprehend why people hold on to the past....

    I suppose some just find it personally satisfying and in some cases lucrative playing the race or victim card...
     
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    hatred is stupid
     
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    what does he need to be forgiven for?

    if obama were a communist, i might find your position defensible. but being the grandaughter of someone who actually fled communism, i think it might behoove you to explore your own logic... or lack thereof.
     
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    Do you anticipate him asking for your forgiveness?? If he considers you to be a racist based on your opinions that are unlikely to change, then I wouldn't expect his opinion of you to change. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who thought I was a racist.
     
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    My grandfather was a mafiaoso - I'm not part of the mob nor do I have much insight....

    Communism/socialism/authoritarianism/totalitarianism - yeah I know all about that. I've only read 50+ books on the socioeconomic idea.....

    It doesn't matter how the communist goals are achieved just as long as they are achieved...

    The real question is Obama a communist?? I believe communism is is goal but presently he is a fascist.....

    I truly believe these ideologies and how they're achieved and manifested is too difficult for progressives to understand.. These are complex issues and little minds cannot comprehend...
     
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    For insinuating that my parents taught me racism, for his generalization that all white Mississippians are inherently racist, for his saying that I am racist...for starters.

    Your being the granddaughter of anyone in particular has no bearing on whether Obama is communist. Obama's history hints it, his actions show it. He is a Marxist.

    You seem to dismiss my logic based upon your inability to accept my evaluation of Obama. Even leaving out the word Marxist the my logic is not flawed.

    I hate extreme liberalism.

    Obama is an extreme liberal.

    Therefore I hate Obama.

    THAT is not a racist statement. Obama could be any color, and gender, any race, any age...I would hate him FOR BEING EXTREMELY LIBERAL. As it is, I hate him for being a goddamned Marxist.

    For anyone to attack me as racist for saying that requires a suspension on logic.

    Here all this time I thought you were a crack legal expert. It appears you went to the wrong instructors. I learned a great deal about logic in my Mississippi kindergarten days.
     
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    Hatred is nothing more than supercharged bigotry. Bigotry can be a good thing. Had there not been bigotry against what Hitler came to represent, we'd all be speaking German.
     
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    Reconciliation is preferred to separation, but the communism passed off as "It takes a village to raise a child," as an African good thing ignores the fact that in Africa, villages afflict each other constantly with doing things that cause the other village to perish. As a consequence, the African continent is the epicenter of human starvation and misery.

    It takes more than a village to raise a child. It takes parents, hopefully two, but one good parent if something happens to the other. American blacks have made the error of thinking black is uber alles. Your friend is in a lot of company with other people who will keep the hate alive. It's up to you whether you want to go there or not.

    Racial relations are a two-way street. Blacks who think having a black leader is the be-all and end-all should examine the lives of blacks who decided to use their leadership to murder people in other ethnic groups because they weren't black. Blacks were brought to this continent mainly by two European nations--the Netherlands and Britain. It was a problem brought here at the time the Constitution was first written, but the need for America to be its own nation looking out for each other was stronger than ethnic concerns of Benjamin Franklin and others at the time.

    The last major black leader to look at a two-way give-and-take relationship with other ethnic groups was Martin Luther King. Since then, there have been more like Louis Farrakahn and Rev. Wright, who call for murdering white and taking over or who merely curse America and call people six generations removed from slave ownership to shame for what they have no control over.

    Asaratis, if you and your black friend can get back together, I'd say our nation has a chance of recovering. If not, I'd say we have a lot of national work to do to make smooth racial relations happen.

    If not, the least we can do is attempt to be sure all are respected, taught reading and math, given opportunities, fed, and given medical attention when needed. I bet your friend didn't realize he was a racist. Someday, maybe he will regret being one and come back to your side with understanding that all of us are susceptible to human error.
     
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