Losing a friend....

[asaratis]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

 

[B. Kidd]

No.

'Forgiveness' is over-rated.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I'm 32 and don't really comprehend why people hold on to the past....

I suppose some just find it personally satisfying and in some cases lucrative playing the race or victim card...

 

[del]

hatred is stupid

 

[jillian]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

what does he need to be forgiven for?

if obama were a communist, i might find your position defensible. but being the grandaughter of someone who actually fled communism, i think it might behoove you to explore your own logic... or lack thereof.

 

[Sherry]

Do you anticipate him asking for your forgiveness?? If he considers you to be a racist based on your opinions that are unlikely to change, then I wouldn't expect his opinion of you to change. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who thought I was a racist.

 

[Mr.Nick]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

what does he need to be forgiven for?

if obama were a communist, i might find your position defensible. but being the grandaughter of someone who actually fled communism, i think it might behoove you to explore your own logic... or lack thereof.

My grandfather was a mafiaoso - I'm not part of the mob nor do I have much insight....

Communism/socialism/authoritarianism/totalitarianism - yeah I know all about that. I've only read 50+ books on the socioeconomic idea.....

It doesn't matter how the communist goals are achieved just as long as they are achieved...

The real question is Obama a communist?? I believe communism is is goal but presently he is a fascist.....

I truly believe these ideologies and how they're achieved and manifested is too difficult for progressives to understand.. These are complex issues and little minds cannot comprehend...

 

[asaratis]

what does he need to be forgiven for?

For insinuating that my parents taught me racism, for his generalization that all white Mississippians are inherently racist, for his saying that I am racist...for starters.

if obama were a communist, i might find your position defensible. but being the grandaughter of someone who actually fled communism, i think it might behoove you to explore your own logic... or lack thereof.

Your being the granddaughter of anyone in particular has no bearing on whether Obama is communist. Obama's history hints it, his actions show it. He is a Marxist.

You seem to dismiss my logic based upon your inability to accept my evaluation of Obama. Even leaving out the word Marxist the my logic is not flawed.

I hate extreme liberalism.

Obama is an extreme liberal.

Therefore I hate Obama.

THAT is not a racist statement. Obama could be any color, and gender, any race, any age...I would hate him FOR BEING EXTREMELY LIBERAL. As it is, I hate him for being a goddamned Marxist.

For anyone to attack me as racist for saying that requires a suspension on logic.

Here all this time I thought you were a crack legal expert. It appears you went to the wrong instructors. I learned a great deal about logic in my Mississippi kindergarten days.

 

[asaratis]

hatred is stupid

Hatred is nothing more than supercharged bigotry. Bigotry can be a good thing. Had there not been bigotry against what Hitler came to represent, we'd all be speaking German.

 

[freedombecki]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

Reconciliation is preferred to separation, but the communism passed off as "It takes a village to raise a child," as an African good thing ignores the fact that in Africa, villages afflict each other constantly with doing things that cause the other village to perish. As a consequence, the African continent is the epicenter of human starvation and misery.

It takes more than a village to raise a child. It takes parents, hopefully two, but one good parent if something happens to the other. American blacks have made the error of thinking black is uber alles. Your friend is in a lot of company with other people who will keep the hate alive. It's up to you whether you want to go there or not.

Racial relations are a two-way street. Blacks who think having a black leader is the be-all and end-all should examine the lives of blacks who decided to use their leadership to murder people in other ethnic groups because they weren't black. Blacks were brought to this continent mainly by two European nations--the Netherlands and Britain. It was a problem brought here at the time the Constitution was first written, but the need for America to be its own nation looking out for each other was stronger than ethnic concerns of Benjamin Franklin and others at the time.

The last major black leader to look at a two-way give-and-take relationship with other ethnic groups was Martin Luther King. Since then, there have been more like Louis Farrakahn and Rev. Wright, who call for murdering white and taking over or who merely curse America and call people six generations removed from slave ownership to shame for what they have no control over.

Asaratis, if you and your black friend can get back together, I'd say our nation has a chance of recovering. If not, I'd say we have a lot of national work to do to make smooth racial relations happen.

If not, the least we can do is attempt to be sure all are respected, taught reading and math, given opportunities, fed, and given medical attention when needed. I bet your friend didn't realize he was a racist. Someday, maybe he will regret being one and come back to your side with understanding that all of us are susceptible to human error.

 

[there4eyeM]

It could be considered that the effects of apartheid and racial hatred were much longer and much harder on him than on you. It would be nice to forgive the old man and stop talking politics.
Whether or not Obama is 'Marxist', it is easy to be opposed to him, just as it is so easy to be against Rmoney. My opinion is absolutely race-free. If someone were to insist it is racist, I would chalk it up to the incomprehensible and go on.

 

[Ariux]

Afros are worthless animals. They might seem decent enough, even if not terribly competent, but as soon as race is an issue, their racism invariably bursts forth, enough to make a Klansman blush.

To be fair, I hear even some of my white acquaintances allege that opposition to Obama is because Obama is an Afro (even if half an Afro). But, I doubt these white liberals would be making that claim without Afros constantly chanting it. F-ing colds.

I openly profess Afros are ugly and stupid, predators and parasites. Yet, none of my white friends take that as an invitation to say they dislike Obama because he's (half) Afro. I don't really care myself what race Obama is (I'll vote for the better man, regardless of race). And, none of my friends dislike Obama any more than any liberal white Democrat.

Ask that "doc" how he explains opposition to Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter, given that both of them are white (and, less liberal and more experienced than Obama).

 

[007]

what does he need to be forgiven for?

For insinuating that my parents taught me racism, for his generalization that all white Mississippians are inherently racist, for his saying that I am racist...for starters.

if obama were a communist, i might find your position defensible. but being the grandaughter of someone who actually fled communism, i think it might behoove you to explore your own logic... or lack thereof.

Your being the granddaughter of anyone in particular has no bearing on whether Obama is communist. Obama's history hints it, his actions show it. He is a Marxist.

You seem to dismiss my logic based upon your inability to accept my evaluation of Obama. Even leaving out the word Marxist the my logic is not flawed.

I hate extreme liberalism.

Obama is an extreme liberal.

Therefore I hate Obama.

THAT is not a racist statement. Obama could be any color, and gender, any race, any age...I would hate him FOR BEING EXTREMELY LIBERAL. As it is, I hate him for being a goddamned Marxist.

For anyone to attack me as racist for saying that requires a suspension on logic.

Here all this time I thought you were a crack legal expert. It appears you went to the wrong instructors. I learned a great deal about logic in my Mississippi kindergarten days.

She only pretends she's a lawyer here, in hopes that she can buffalo you and anyone else into thinking she's actually smarter than she is. All part of the deceiving narcissistic characteristics of the elitist liberal leftist, which Jill babe surely is. In reality, she's just your run of the mill, garden variety, common every day arrogant democrat.

 

[Warrior102]

hatred is stupid

And so are You.

Next?

 

[techieny]

forgive and move on!

 

[Jackson]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

Your hatred for Obama overrode your love for your friend. You should have put politics aside and realize that both of you have "issues: that can't be withdrawn" but your tolerance for each others feelings should have been paramount. If you wanted him to respect your views, you should have been the same amd respected his although you thought him wrong. A wonderful friendship is a hard thing to lose. You should apologize and not let this come between you.

No forgiveness is necessary except not allowing each other to have their own thoughts.

 

[IGetItAlready]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

I would say that depends on his willingness to accept your opposition to Obama's clear Marxist tendencies at face value. He doesn't have to agree with you that Obama is a Marxist but if he's still going to cop out with the race card you'll be back in the same boat before you know it.

My wife has a couple of ULTRA LIBERAL friends with whom after a few heated political conversations we've come to an unspoken agreement, for my wife's sake, to simply avoid political conversation which is ridiculously difficult for me while one in particular is telling us all about taking her kids to the Minneapolis pride fest and other such bullshit that I feel is inappropriate for kids.

 

[The Gadfly]

....due to his racism.

Not that I will be devastated by the loss...I got along fine for over 60 years without knowing he existed. "He" in this case is a successful, older black man...a doctor of ophthalmology, 20 or so years my senior, grew up through the segregated times feeling the sting of "colored only" and "white only" signs and rules, is now married to a gentile black lady that grew up in Mississippi. They have been together for umpteen tears though this is not his first marriage. They both worship Obama.

I am a white male from Mississippi that grew up through the tail end of segregation guided by my parents and teachers that had little if any racism in their hearts. After having three beautiful children, I rejected the simultaneous verbal invitations of three contemporary acquaintances to join the KKK and I let them know right away that I would kill all three of them if anything subsequently harmed any member of my family. I have a long history of accepting all races of people as friends. I met "the Doc" at a fashionable bar and we became friends over a period of time during the weekly visits to this fashionable bar. I've been to his office a couple of times for eye exams and prescriptions.

Then Obama came along and stole the Democratic nomination from Hillary Clinton. Discussions with "the Doc" often became heated...especially when I brought out the Marxist facet of Obama. ANY criticism of Obama was "jus' cause he's black".

I grew up being taught to hate communism, Marxism, socialism...to cherish our freedom, our flag, those that fight for it, democracy, capitalism, charity and an unbeatable military. My hatred of Obama and his Marxism translated to racism in the mind of my friend. He thinks my "Mississippi upbringing" caused me to be a racist and has maligned my upbringing (my parents) on several occasions.

I contend he is too stupid to realize that hatred of Marxism and Marxists has nothing to do with the color of their skin or the race of their origin.

I have told him to fuck off. My question is, should I forgive him once again and continue to be his friend or just write him off as a senile, racist asshole.

Forget him; after all those years, he ultimately values his own preconceptions more than the friendship you have shown him. Unfortunately Obama worshipers can't accept that views other than theirs can be anything but racist. You rejected your Klan friends because they were not capable of changing what they were. Neither is this one; let him go. I've solved my problem with liberals; I refuse to associate with them, on the sensible ground that it is impossible to reconcile the differences between us. No point in fraternizing with the enemy.

 

[Mr.Nick]

It could be considered that the effects of apartheid and racial hatred were much longer and much harder on him than on you. It would be nice to forgive the old man and stop talking politics.
Whether or not Obama is 'Marxist', it is easy to be opposed to him, just as it is so easy to be against Rmoney. My opinion is absolutely race-free. If someone were to insist it is racist, I would chalk it up to the incomprehensible and go on.

I think straight white christian males understand what it is like to be hated... Progressives only take out their rage on us everyday and try to make life as difficult as possible for us in the name of retribution....

In this day in age people are not judged on their merit - they're judged on their race, religion and sexuality....

Being diverse is more important than being successful in this progressive era.

 

[there4eyeM]

"I think straight white christian males understand what it is like to be hated."

Can anyone accept that this compares to what that old man went through?

Separate schools.
Separate water fountains.
Separate toilets.
Separate beaches.
Separate restaurants.
Incessant insult and humiliation.
Constant denigration.
One single right: to remain silent.