Look how divisive this board is...

[The T]

Every problem we have today is caused by the dismissal of the constitution and the rule of law. Every single one.

Ron Paul 2012

And Paul and his supporter will only exacerbate every problem we have today by the dismissal of the constitution and its case law, as well as the rule of law.



Correct.

Which is in itself a representation of the Nation as a whole. And of course the 24 hour news cycle outrage-a-thon gave a voice to partisan extremists who only add fuel to the fire.

…and for some strange reason "compromise" has become synonymous with "weakness"

…and ‘failure.’

There are those who believe compromise amounts to a de facto ‘victory’ for their opponents.

Compromising to pass bad bills is not good for America. I don't know how anyone can think passing bad bills just say "look I compromised" is good for anyone.

It's all for self-serving agrandizement politicians have down to a science. Manipulaton regardless of facts. Too many swallow thier crap whole without question.

 

[healthmyths]

And Paul and his supporter will only exacerbate every problem we have today by the dismissal of the constitution and its case law, as well as the rule of law.



Correct.

Which is in itself a representation of the Nation as a whole. And of course the 24 hour news cycle outrage-a-thon gave a voice to partisan extremists who only add fuel to the fire.


…and ‘failure.’

There are those who believe compromise amounts to a de facto ‘victory’ for their opponents.

Compromising to pass bad bills is not good for America. I don't know how anyone can think passing bad bills just say "look I compromised" is good for anyone.

It's all for self-serving agrandizement politicians have down to a science. Manipulaton regardless of facts. Too many swallow thier crap whole without question.

Mainstream MEDIA BIAS manipulates the stories.
Stories influence opinion.
Opinions are taken by pollsters.
Poll results influence politicians.

Case in point!
85% of hacks voted Democrat..
144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left:
125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes.
Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties."
Journalists give campaign cash - politics - msnbc.com

"The Project for Excellence in Journalism...[found that from] Oct. 1 through Oct. 14, 2004: Percent of stories [in the mainstream media] about President Bush that are negative----59 percent.
Percent of stories about Sen. Kerry that are negative----25 percent.
Stories favorable to Bush? 14 percent.
Favorable to Kerry? 34 percent.
On The Liberal Bias Of The Dominant Media

NOW some idiots will say.."well that's because most of what Bush did was negative"!
BULLSHIT!!!
NO other President IN HISTORY in spite of this totally Democrat biased MSM that donated 9 times as much to Democrats and the MSM that
this same MSM that DAILY told all the idiots that believed them that Iraq was lost.. that said our troops were killers, terrorists.. OUR congress and the MEDIA repeating it!

ALL OF THIS IN SPITE OF DOT.COM BUST, 9/11 AND WORST HURRICANE SEASONS IN HISTORY - over 5,000 people dead in 7 years.. $8 trillion in economic losses, 18,0000 businesses destroyed..
AND THIS Ahole MSM writes 59% negative stories about how:
1) "Bush lied people died".. NOT ONE MSM also said Clinton dropped 1,000 missiles on IRAQ!
2) Bush blew up levees! Really ... MSM ran with that story!

So again want to get rid of divisiveness get rid of MSM BIAS!
Finally a reason I know this is because I was in college in the 60s with radical SDS/Weathermen that WERE ALSO journalism majors who have gone on and become as Thomas said lower level editors WHO write the 30 second headlines you read about Bush,Iraq and who DIDN'T write about Obama snorting Cocaine in college! Who DIDN"T ask where are Obama's transcripts everyone else had to produce?
NO the MSM did NO VETTING of Obama wrote NICE things about Obama because A) they WANTED him as Pres.. B) Made everyone who didn't want Obama out to be racists!

The solution is more exposure of this MSM bias and thank goodness these biased/communist leaning rags.. St. Pete Times, NYTimes.. network news are all seeing smaller viewer/readership BECAUSE we are now ON to their bias!

3 out of 4 Americans believe media liberal biased!
A wide variety of public opinion polls have documented the fact that most Americans now see the media as politically biased, inaccurate, intrusive, and a tool of powerful interests. By a nearly three-to-one margin, those who see political bias believe the media bend their stories to favor liberals.
http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/MediaBias101.aspx

 

[jillian]

It is the same as Congress. There has to be an attitude change in Washington and across the country. Nothing will ever get done. We have appalling ratings in Congress and that is because the Republicans blame the democrats and the Democrats blame the Republicans.

We need leadership in this country that not only promises change but acts on it. The present administration has done the oppositie. He stood idly by while calling the Republicans "terrorists," and not urging the Super Committee that failure was not an option. He became enbroiled in states issues and even sued the states when they tried to enforce federal laws when the government again refused to do their job.

The Attorney General was another example of partisanship on the part of the White HOuse and not taking responsibility for promises not kept by this administration by following the law. Transparency was a joke.

We need change. Big change. At this point, any of the candidates running can be an improvement of what we have now. But it takes more than changing the leadership in the White House. We have to take the responsibility to urge our own representitives to debate openly and consider the country before their own party to make the difference.

it doesn't have a lot to do with leadership. it has to do with a group of baby congress members who hate government and have tied the speaker's hands. i suspect if left to his own devices, boehner would have been fairly reasonable.

it isn't the fault of the AG or the president.... though i would have preferred a president who kicked teatard butt.

 

[The T]

Compromising to pass bad bills is not good for America. I don't know how anyone can think passing bad bills just say "look I compromised" is good for anyone.

It's all for self-serving agrandizement politicians have down to a science. Manipulaton regardless of facts. Too many swallow thier crap whole without question.

Mainstream MEDIA BIAS manipulates the stories.
Stories influence opinion.
Opinions are taken by pollsters.
Poll results influence politicians.

Case in point!
85% of hacks voted Democrat..
144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left:
125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes.
Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties."
Journalists give campaign cash - politics - msnbc.com

"The Project for Excellence in Journalism...[found that from] Oct. 1 through Oct. 14, 2004: Percent of stories [in the mainstream media] about President Bush that are negative----59 percent.
Percent of stories about Sen. Kerry that are negative----25 percent.
Stories favorable to Bush? 14 percent.
Favorable to Kerry? 34 percent.
On The Liberal Bias Of The Dominant Media

NOW some idiots will say.."well that's because most of what Bush did was negative"!
BULLSHIT!!!
NO other President IN HISTORY in spite of this totally Democrat biased MSM that donated 9 times as much to Democrats and the MSM that
this same MSM that DAILY told all the idiots that believed them that Iraq was lost.. that said our troops were killers, terrorists.. OUR congress and the MEDIA repeating it!

ALL OF THIS IN SPITE OF DOT.COM BUST, 9/11 AND WORST HURRICANE SEASONS IN HISTORY - over 5,000 people dead in 7 years.. $8 trillion in economic losses, 18,0000 businesses destroyed..
AND THIS Ahole MSM writes 59% negative stories about how:
1) "Bush lied people died".. NOT ONE MSM also said Clinton dropped 1,000 missiles on IRAQ!
2) Bush blew up levees! Really ... MSM ran with that story!

So again want to get rid of divisiveness get rid of MSM BIAS!
Finally a reason I know this is because I was in college in the 60s with radical SDS/Weathermen that WERE ALSO journalism majors who have gone on and become as Thomas said lower level editors WHO write the 30 second headlines you read about Bush,Iraq and who DIDN'T write about Obama snorting Cocaine in college! Who DIDN"T ask where are Obama's transcripts everyone else had to produce?
NO the MSM did NO VETTING of Obama wrote NICE things about Obama because A) they WANTED him as Pres.. B) Made everyone who didn't want Obama out to be racists!

The solution is more exposure of this MSM bias and thank goodness these biased/communist leaning rags.. St. Pete Times, NYTimes.. network news are all seeing smaller viewer/readership BECAUSE we are now ON to their bias!

3 out of 4 Americans believe media liberal biased!
A wide variety of public opinion polls have documented the fact that most Americans now see the media as politically biased, inaccurate, intrusive, and a tool of powerful interests. By a nearly three-to-one margin, those who see political bias believe the media bend their stories to favor liberals.
h[URL="http://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/MediaBias101.aspx"]ttp://www.mrc.org/static/biasbasics/MediaBias101.aspx[/URL]

Enought to alter the First Amendment?

It's well known where media/news/press allegiances lie, and it isn't with the people but rather Government/Agenda.

Best thing to do here is vote with the purse with targeting those that have taken bias to a new level and forgetting they exist, and urging others to the same.

When they are go out of business? Maybe they will learn that the people aren't a lab experiment.

 

[Jackson]

Journalistic Integrity is hard to find these days.

 

[The T]

Journalistic Integrity is hard to find these days.

The 'Fourth Estate' has become a run-down Public Housing Development that forgotten thier purpose.

 

[earlycuyler]

It all starts at the top. Any organization is only as good as it's leadership, and Americas leader ran out of talent after the election.

All of Americas leaders have run out of talent years ago. Look at Ried, Pelozi, Bohner, Cantor, all the ones you see on TV. None worth a shit, and none worth pissing on to put out if they were on fire. That go's double for Bush, and Obama.

 

[ba1614]

It all starts at the top. Any organization is only as good as it's leadership, and Americas leader ran out of talent after the election.

All of Americas leaders have run out of talent years ago. Look at Ried, Pelozi, Bohner, Cantor, all the ones you see on TV. None worth a shit, and none worth pissing on to put out if they were on fire. That go's double for Bush, and Obama.

I'll agree on all but Cantor, what he proposes is what it will take, but we haven't' the balls to take it on.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is the same as Congress. There has to be an attitude change in Washington and across the country. Nothing will ever get done. We have appalling ratings in Congress and that is because the Republicans blame the democrats and the Democrats blame the Republicans.

We need leadership in this country that not only promises change but acts on it. The present administration has done the oppositie. He stood idly by while calling the Republicans "terrorists," and not urging the Super Committee that failure was not an option. He became enbroiled in states issues and even sued the states when they tried to enforce federal laws when the government again refused to do their job.

The Attorney General was another example of partisanship on the part of the White HOuse and not taking responsibility for promises not kept by this administration by following the law. Transparency was a joke.

We need change. Big change. At this point, any of the candidates running can be an improvement of what we have now. But it takes more than changing the leadership in the White House. We have to take the responsibility to urge our own representitives to debate openly and consider the country before their own party to make the difference.

We need for people to realize that Democrats are to the left of real Communists and they espouse an agenda that has a guaranteed 100% fail rate. They need to continue to be defeated until they hold 4 maybe 6 seats in all of Congress

 

[francoHFW]

Fox/Rush/Savage/ Moonie are a 24/7 MISINFORMATION/propaganda machine. Calling Dems communists is brainwashed idiocy. Same with the lies in my sig.It's proven that the more you listen to them, the LESS you know. Luckily fewer and fewer believe them.

 

[paulitician]

Today's Politicians are mere talentless,frustrated Actor/Actress Wannabes. They weren't good enough to make it in Hollywood so they settled for Politics. And that's who we have running our country these days. No intellect or substance anymore. It is very sad but it is what it is.

 

[ba1614]

Today's Politicians are mere talentless,frustrated Actor/Actress Wannabes. They weren't good enough to make it in Hollywood so they settled for Politics. And that's who we have running our country these days. No intellect or substance anymore. It is very sad but it is what it is.

The problem, imo, is that there aren't many "pure as the virgin snow" people out there, and with the media today they will find any speck of dirt there is and blow it way the fuck up, especially if you're Conservative.

 

[earlycuyler]

It all starts at the top. Any organization is only as good as it's leadership, and Americas leader ran out of talent after the election.

All of Americas leaders have run out of talent years ago. Look at Ried, Pelozi, Bohner, Cantor, all the ones you see on TV. None worth a shit, and none worth pissing on to put out if they were on fire. That go's double for Bush, and Obama.

I'll agree on all but Cantor, what he proposes is what it will take, but we haven't' the balls to take it on.

How about the 2000 election ? To me, that's when the 24 hour babble cycle began, and Republicans and Democrats actually sounded like they hated each other.

 

[skipper]

It is the same as Congress. There has to be an attitude change in Washington and across the country. Nothing will ever get done. We have appalling ratings in Congress and that is because the Republicans blame the democrats and the Democrats blame the Republicans.

We need leadership in this country that not only promises change but acts on it. The present administration has done the oppositie. He stood idly by while calling the Republicans "terrorists," and not urging the Super Committee that failure was not an option. He became enbroiled in states issues and even sued the states when they tried to enforce federal laws when the government again refused to do their job.

The Attorney General was another example of partisanship on the part of the White HOuse and not taking responsibility for promises not kept by this administration by following the law. Transparency was a joke.

We need change. Big change. At this point, any of the candidates running can be an improvement of what we have now. But it takes more than changing the leadership in the White House. We have to take the responsibility to urge our own representitives to debate openly and consider the country before their own party to make the difference.

it doesn't have a lot to do with leadership. it has to do with a group of baby congress members who hate government and have tied the speaker's hands. i suspect if left to his own devices, boehner would have been fairly reasonable.

it isn't the fault of the AG or the president.... though i would have preferred a president who kicked teatard butt.

It's a shame so many cannot see this fact. Now you have a beleaguered Speaker reduced to taking the mic saying “Sometimes it's hard to do the right thing." Congrats TPM.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

it doesn't have a lot to do with leadership. it has to do with a group of baby congress members who hate government and have tied the speaker's hands. i suspect if left to his own devices, boehner would have been fairly reasonable.

I believe so as well; there are likely more democrats he finds reasonable than members of the TPM.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Every problem we have today is caused by the dismissal of the constitution and the rule of law. Every single one.

Ron Paul 2012

This is the cause. murkins. Your voting base. No child left behind.
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Fucking savages. All of them.

 

[thereisnospoon]

It is the same as Congress. There has to be an attitude change in Washington and across the country. Nothing will ever get done. We have appalling ratings in Congress and that is because the Republicans blame the democrats and the Democrats blame the Republicans.

We need leadership in this country that not only promises change but acts on it. The present administration has done the oppositie. He stood idly by while calling the Republicans "terrorists," and not urging the Super Committee that failure was not an option. He became enbroiled in states issues and even sued the states when they tried to enforce federal laws when the government again refused to do their job.

The Attorney General was another example of partisanship on the part of the White HOuse and not taking responsibility for promises not kept by this administration by following the law. Transparency was a joke.

We need change. Big change. At this point, any of the candidates running can be an improvement of what we have now. But it takes more than changing the leadership in the White House. We have to take the responsibility to urge our own representitives to debate openly and consider the country before their own party to make the difference.

The problem is our leadership positions are filled by politicians.
We should be voting for statesmen. People who's first priority is doing the people's business. Instead, we have career politicians who go to Washington to enrich themselves.

 

[Toro]

People have very little knowledge about most issues on which they post, then frame their post throughs the ideological spectrum to which they ascribe.

Truth is, most people haven't got a fucking clue on what they are talking about.

 

[Toro]

Every problem we have today is caused by the dismissal of the constitution and the rule of law. Every single one.

Ron Paul 2012

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is exactly what I mean.

 

[Jackson]

Today's Politicians are mere talentless,frustrated Actor/Actress Wannabes. They weren't good enough to make it in Hollywood so they settled for Politics. And that's who we have running our country these days. No intellect or substance anymore. It is very sad but it is what it is.

Gingrich has the intellect and substance but doesn't have the personality to keep the organizational people with him. He's floundering financially and cant' get on the ballot in two states. He may have ideas for the country, but when it comes to strategy for office, he doesn't listen to his people. That's troubling. Politically, he's a mess. He's the opposite of Obama who does nothing but campaign. He's brilliant at campaigning, but not much more.