Long-Standing Grudge

Unkotare

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The bad blood between China and Japan goes back further than WWII, and when China holds a grudge it's forever.



Sino-Japanese War still stings China 120 years later ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion


"When China and Japan went to war on the first day of August 120 years ago, Beijing suffered a “national humiliation” that resonates to this day as tensions between the Asian rivals intensify again.

Unlike most defeated nations, China marks the anniversaries of its losses with fervor, as the ruling Communist Party—which espouses nationalism in its claim to a right to rule—reinforces a narrative of historical victimisation.

Years in the making, the Sino-Japanese War of 1894-5 was fought for control of Korea, which at the time paid formal tribute to China’s Qing emperors but was increasingly coveted by Tokyo, whose ambition was to emulate the empires of the Western powers.

The shooting began with a naval clash off Korea’s west coast in late July, a week before war was formally declared on August 1, 1894.

Less than nine months later, Japan had destroyed the Qing Beiyang fleet, routed Beijing’s troops in Korea and China, and secured an overwhelming victory. Tokyo seized strategic territory, including Taiwan, and sowed the seeds of a maritime dispute that endures into the 21st century."
 
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Given the vital and growing importance of the region, understanding the dynamics of all major parties will be crucial to diplomatic, economic, and military decision-making now and in the future.
 
I've been telling the Japanese people since I was stationed there the first time (1983) that the Koreans and the Chinese would LOVE to just kick your asses all over the Pacific.

The usual reply is "We Japanese are peaceful people". To which my usual reply is "Doesn't matter if YOU'RE peaceful, the Chinese and Koreans STILL wanna' kick your ass! You don't see that?".

"We Japanese are peaceful people".

I have to admit I was shocked they built that Carrier, or as they call it, a "Flat Topped Destroyer". I guess not everyone is asleep in Japan.
 
I've been telling the Japanese people since I was stationed there the first time (1983) that the Koreans and the Chinese would LOVE to just kick your asses all over the Pacific.

The usual reply is "We Japanese are peaceful people". To which my usual reply is "Doesn't matter if YOU'RE peaceful, the Chinese and Koreans STILL wanna' kick your ass! You don't see that?".

"We Japanese are peaceful people".

I have to admit I was shocked they built that Carrier, or as they call it, a "Flat Topped Destroyer". I guess not everyone is asleep in Japan.



And what exactly was your motivation for going out of your way to bother people with such comments? Did you think people were not aware of the relationship between those nations and needed your insight? What were you hoping to accomplish?
 
Many people in China, South Korea, and Japan are intelligent and mature enough to see the benefits of amiable relations among their peoples despite the difficult history between them. Quite a bit more than a few people from each nation are living in one of the mentioned, are married to someone of the other nationality, and are happily getting on with life. Many educated young people see all that there is to admire in each other's cultures and countries rather than fixating on never-ending grudges. Students from each nation study in the others, adults live and work in the others, and those wise enough are actively working to improve relations despite the past and present diplomatic difficulties. There is a lot of hope, but as long as there are those with a vested interest in picking at scabs, well...
 
I believe you are correct, Unkotare, in your observation that the Chinese do not "Forget"... With that in mind, what do you believe is in store for Taiwan and how long to believe it will be before China tries to take back what they believe was taken from them?
 
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Do you believe that China will invade Taiwan this year or do you think China will wait for awhile? Considering that Russia is now in alliance with her and has already done war games with China in those waters recently - would that indicate something soon in your view or just a testing the waters for a response - from Japan's allies like the US?
 
I how long to believe it will be before China tries to take back what they believe was taken from them?



A decade or so before they try and fail. Before they recover from that enough to try again they will have ceased the 'communist' pretense and peaceful reunification will take place.
 
And what exactly was your motivation for going out of your way to bother people with such comments? Did you think people were not aware of the relationship between those nations and needed your insight? What were you hoping to accomplish?
Checkout Unko-kun tryin to act all badass Samurai! "You insolent swine! Now you will feel my cold steel blade of justice!". :lol:

I never went "out of my way" to discuss it, it just comes up in the normal course of conversation sometimes. Besides, I'm just not into Tentacle porn and Video games.
 
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There are historical disputes over the casualty figures during the Nanking massacre and Oxford historian Rana Mitter recently put the number of casualties at 50,000 in his book "China's War with Japan, 1937-1945: The Struggle for Survival" (2013). It has become clear that John Rabe and other Europeans stationed in Nanking helped to establish the Nanking Safety Zone and they sheltered approximately 200,000 Chinese people from slaughter during the massacre. The population of the city in the 1930s was around 250,000. The Chinese government still maintains that all Chinese citizens within the wall of the city were murdered by the Japanese military to pit the Chinese people against Japan and legitimise its imperialist land grab under the new slogan "China Dream", aiming at restoring the lost territories of the Qing dynasty.

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Many Westerners were living in the Chinese capital city of the time, as Nanking was until December 1937, conducting trade or on missionary trips. As the Japanese army approached Nanking (now Nanjing) and initiated bombing raids on the city, all but 22 foreigners fled the city, with 15 American and European missionaries and businessmen forming part of the remaining group.[3] On November 22, 1937, as the Japanese Army advanced on Nanking, Rabe, along with other foreign nationals, organized the International Committee for the Nanking Safety Zone and created the Nanking Safety Zone to provide Chinese refugees with food and shelter from the impending Japanese slaughter. He explained his reasons thus: "... there is a question of morality here...I cannot bring myself for now to betray the trust these people have put in me, and it is touching to see how they believe in me."[4] The zones were located in all of the foreign embassies and at Nanking University. The Nanking Massacre killed 50,000 to 60,000 civilians according to John Rabe, while Rabe and his zone administrators tried frantically to stop the atrocities. His attempts to appeal to the Japanese by using his Nazi membership credentials only delayed them; but that delay allowed hundreds of thousands of refugees to escape. The documentary Nanking credited him for saving the lives of 250,000 Chinese civilians. Other sources suggest that Rabe rescued between 200,000 and 250,000 Chinese people.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Rabe
 
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