CDZ "Lolita complex"

My opinion is slightly different - I believe (in such a society) it is outside the girl's best interest to engage in sex as there is little hope of her coping with such a relationship and the likely resulting offspring. That isn't a moral judgement, more a practical one.
I would suggest the UK's terrible teen pregnancy rate and declining social conditions to be a level of proof my assertion is true.

Well said, I can find nothing I would disagree with here.
I do believe the key word, in our culture, economics and our societies structure - is exploitation when regarding child sex with a grown adult. And by grown adult I would say 25 or older, with the level raising exponentially with every year younger than 17.
A mixed up 15 year old girl with her whole life ahead of her getting mind f*cked by a 30 year old, get's pregnant... damn man.
And same here, America's teen pregnancy rate is also terrible, and all too often results in life long poverty.
The negatives are just too great.
 
I get the impression that some here believe that attraction to pre pubescent children is not "natural". Is this also true in the animal kingdom?

Mark
 
I've been in those bookstores where the "lolita-porn" is sold and the REAL weird part is that it's just in the regular porn section. What's more is that the Porn section isn't even isolated like all the stores in America. They have one row for Girls magazines, another for Sports. One for Outdoor, Photography, Hobbies, etc. The Porn section is just the next row over. Not all stores sell Lolita Porn but if you know anything about Anime and Manga they deal with ALL SORTS of wild sex habits to include Homosexual, Bestiality and Trans. I would GUESS that S&M Manga is the most popular based on what's available. And it's available EVERYWHERE!

That being said...

Even when I was a kid I didn't like kids. I liked my friends mothers. I've always liked the older ladies, just because they're more direct and they know what they're doing and they know what they want". (wink wink) I STILL think a woman is best looking in her 30's and 40's.

You gotta' be sick in the head to think an 8 year old is sexually attractive.
 
I've been in those bookstores where the "lolita-porn" is sold and the REAL weird part is that it's just in the regular porn section. What's more is that the Porn section isn't even isolated like all the stores in America. They have one row for Girls magazines, another for Sports. One for Outdoor, Photography, Hobbies, etc. The Porn section is just the next row over. Not all stores sell Lolita Porn but if you know anything about Anime and Manga they deal with ALL SORTS of wild sex habits to include Homosexual, Bestiality and Trans. I would GUESS that S&M Manga is the most popular based on what's available. And it's available EVERYWHERE!

That being said...

Even when I was a kid I didn't like kids. I liked my friends mothers. I've always liked the older ladies, just because they're more direct and they know what they're doing and they know what they want". (wink wink) I STILL think a woman is best looking in her 30's and 40's.

You gotta' be sick in the head to think an 8 year old is sexually attractive.

I agree, but that's not my point. The point of this thread is saying that if it happens in nature, then the urge will be present. And some here figure that the urge is not present when viewing undeveloped females.

Is this true, or is it something we want to be true?

Mark
 
If you get on the internet and look for sex offenders in your town, you will likely find offenses that are considered not too serious to the extremely dangerous pedophile. This discussion began with pedophilia and has shifted into sexual exploitation of teenagers. These should not be lumped into one category even though both are terrible and cause serious mental and physical problems.

Pedophiles are the worst of the worst. They believe they are examples of an alternate lifestyle, such as homosexuals. This isn't about gays and lesbians. Pedophiles believe it is their goal in life to introduce sex to babies and small children. They have a manifesto, they are organized internationally. The organization's headquarters is in England. They have a special icon. I didn't dream this up. Get on the internet. I have even met them on discussion web sites where they try to prove they are important.

I find that I hate pedophiles. They should be rounded up, tortured, and executed in a painful way. Other sex offenders can be dealt with the same way. Importance of age of the teen has been discussed. The part that gets damaged when a teenager is sexually abused is the psyche. They are not prepared to be an adult, even if they look the part. Sex too early is not appropriate. The memories never go away; rather they are lived over and over again. There is no justification for the behavior of a molester. I think there is a special level in hell for them.
 
And herein lies the issue. You call them a child at 16, yet in America, there are dozens of states with age of consent laws at 16. There are entire civilized nations with AOC laws at or below 16. Australia is 16, Russia is 16, most of Europe is 14 or 15, Mexico is 12. So this raises another question, if a 15 year old in America (incapable of consenting to sex according to our laws) flies to Europe and can suddenly consent to sex on that piece of dirt, why is it exploitation in America and just regular sex in Europe?

What's the deal? Either you're raping them or you're not. Being able to step across state lines and its suddenly not a crime makes for arguably grey areas in the law. It also raises questions about it being rape. If she can consent in Europe she can consent in America. That being said, I disagree with them dressing like sluts. I think as teens they need to worry about school, but I was a teen boy at one time and teens have two things on their mind, sleep and sex.
There is no need for intervention. There is no clue that a 15 years old would want to have sex with an old fat ugly guy. Except for the Lolita but the heart wants what the heart wants. A hundred years ago a 14 years old girl was an adult woman by law in the US, so there is no need to talk of liberation. The true dangers are not only in real life but can be found in the Internet in a larger scale. In Germany, half of the 14 years old girls say, they have been asked in chats and elsewhere to perform sexual actions in front of the camera by adults. The anonymity unveils the true nature of humans that are canting about decency in public and harass teens in private environments. This isn't about Japanese comic addicts dreaming of little girls, this is the truth in our societies.
In a tolerant society freedom should be given to teenagers in their choice of with whom they want to be. Why can a gay stick his dick in another guys ass but a 15 year old may not be with a 16 year old? Which of both cases is abnormal?
When I was 15/16 my girlfriend was a bit more than a year younger and I have been accused because she was so beautiful. If her parents and their death cult would not have damaged our souls too much, we would still be together and who would be left to point at me?
 
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There is no need for intervention. There is no clue that a 15 years old would want to have sex with an old fat ugly guy. Except for the Lolita but the heart wants what the heart wants. A hundred years ago a 14 years old girl was an adult woman by law in the US, so there is no need to talk of liberation. The true dangers are not only in real life but can be found in the Internet in a larger scale. In Germany, half of the 14 years old girls say, they have been asked in chats and elsewhere to perform sexual actions in front of the camera by adults. The anonymity unveils the true nature of humans that are canting about decency in public and harass teens in private environments. This isn't about Japanese comic addicts dreaming of little girls, this is the truth in our societies.
In a tolerant society freedom should be given to teenagers in their choice of with whom they want to be. Why can a gay stick his dick in another guys ass but a 15 year old may not be with a 16 year old? Which of both cases is abnormal?
When I was 15/16 my girlfriend was a bit more than a year younger and I have been accused because she was so beautiful. If her parents and their death cult would not have damaged our souls too much, we would still be together and who would be left to point at me?

I don't think anyone is talking about teen on teen sex regardless of age.
When I was 17, over a summer I had a relationship with a 14 year old that just turned 14. She was entering the 8th grade, I was becoming a senior.
So far from me to judge such relationships.
As a father I would have frowned upon it with my own daughter back then, correction, I would have prohibited it. But that is my own child.
There is a clear difference between a 14/17 relationship and a 14/29 one.
Wouldn't you say?
 
There is no need for intervention. There is no clue that a 15 years old would want to have sex with an old fat ugly guy. Except for the Lolita but the heart wants what the heart wants. A hundred years ago a 14 years old girl was an adult woman by law in the US, so there is no need to talk of liberation. The true dangers are not only in real life but can be found in the Internet in a larger scale. In Germany, half of the 14 years old girls say, they have been asked in chats and elsewhere to perform sexual actions in front of the camera by adults. The anonymity unveils the true nature of humans that are canting about decency in public and harass teens in private environments. This isn't about Japanese comic addicts dreaming of little girls, this is the truth in our societies.
In a tolerant society freedom should be given to teenagers in their choice of with whom they want to be. Why can a gay stick his dick in another guys ass but a 15 year old may not be with a 16 year old? Which of both cases is abnormal?
When I was 15/16 my girlfriend was a bit more than a year younger and I have been accused because she was so beautiful. If her parents and their death cult would not have damaged our souls too much, we would still be together and who would be left to point at me?

I don't think anyone is talking about teen on teen sex regardless of age.
When I was 17, over a summer I had a relationship with a 14 year old that just turned 14. She was entering the 8th grade, I was becoming a senior.
So far from me to judge such relationships.
As a father I would have frowned upon it with my own daughter back then, correction, I would have prohibited it. But that is my own child.
There is a clear difference between a 14/17 relationship and a 14/29 one.
Wouldn't you say?
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.
 
When I was in my early 20s I guess I looked far younger than my age. I regularly had 12-13yo girls flirting with me in malls, at swimming pools, beaches etc. I lived in an apartment and I was swimming in the pool alone minding my own business and a lady came outside with her 10yo granddaughter and told her to play with me. Now I'm just out relieving stress from flight school, not trying to hook up with a 10 year old. Well this grandma continued to bring her granddaughter to swim with me so much that me and the grandmother became good friends. One day, out of the blue late one evening she tells me if its ok with me she'd be comfy with me watching a movie and having pizza with her granddaughter in my apartment. I declined, but that little girl started coming out to swim alone with me, without her grandmother so apparently she had a huge crush on me.

Stuff like this happens and I know I surely don't understand why.
 
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.

Again to me the key word is exploitation.
Can a 15 year old girl, who is unusually mature for her age, have a consensual, mutually beneficial relationship with someone older? Is it possible?
Of course it is.
But what is more likely? What happens more often than not?
I have a 24 year old daughter, we use to live in a house with a pool back then, and it so happened that our home was the gathering place for both of my childrens friends.
When she turned 12-13, there were clear changes in her friends outlook on me.
When a girl gets to this age they become sexually aware of themselves. They are very excited about their budding breast and other changes, they want to wear make-up, wear clothing that is revealing and sexual. They begin teasing boys, otherwise known as prick teasing.
But then there is something else. Many of these girls only a few years ago had crushes on their fathers, others did not have fathers that were around - so they also crave adult male attention.
I had way to chummy occurrences happening. Girls would walk into a room I was in, still in bikinis, or worse when my daughter was having a slumber party, walk in with short-short pajama bottoms and loose fit, low cut tank tops. Wanting to "ask me a question" and squirm around like they had to pee in their pants. Purposely bending over to show cleavage etc.
It would be all too easy to seduce one. They want to explore this new feeling they have, the excitement and powerful exquisite wonder of it. An adult man can oh so easily manipulate her.
And THAT - is exploitation. And THAT is why our society protects those girls and makes the act criminal.
 
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.

Again to me the key word is exploitation.
Can a 15 year old girl, who is unusually mature for her age, have a consensual, mutually beneficial relationship with someone older? Is it possible?
Of course it is.
But what is more likely? What happens more often than not?
I have a 24 year old daughter, we use to live in a house with a pool back then, and it so happened that our home was the gathering place for both of my childrens friends.
When she turned 12-13, there were clear changes in her friends outlook on me.
When a girl gets to this age they become sexually aware of themselves. They are very excited about their budding breast and other changes, they want to wear make-up, wear clothing that is revealing and sexual. They begin teasing boys, otherwise known as prick teasing.
But then there is something else. Many of these girls only a few years ago had crushes on their fathers, others did not have fathers that were around - so they also crave adult male attention.
I had way to chummy occurrences happening. Girls would walk into a room I was in, still in bikinis, or worse when my daughter was having a slumber party, walk in with short-short pajama bottoms and loose fit, low cut tank tops. Wanting to "ask me a question" and squirm around like they had to pee in their pants. Purposely bending over to show cleavage etc.
It would be all too easy to seduce one. They want to explore this new feeling they have, the excitement and powerful exquisite wonder of it. An adult man can oh so easily manipulate her.
And THAT - is exploitation. And THAT is why our society protects those girls and makes the act criminal.
What you are telling is, in fact, that little girls are keen on adults and therefor must be protected from them.
If that´s the case, and it is not, why choose teenage girls boys that are not 20 years older?
 
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.

Again to me the key word is exploitation.
Can a 15 year old girl, who is unusually mature for her age, have a consensual, mutually beneficial relationship with someone older? Is it possible?
Of course it is.
But what is more likely? What happens more often than not?
I have a 24 year old daughter, we use to live in a house with a pool back then, and it so happened that our home was the gathering place for both of my childrens friends.
When she turned 12-13, there were clear changes in her friends outlook on me.
When a girl gets to this age they become sexually aware of themselves. They are very excited about their budding breast and other changes, they want to wear make-up, wear clothing that is revealing and sexual. They begin teasing boys, otherwise known as prick teasing.
But then there is something else. Many of these girls only a few years ago had crushes on their fathers, others did not have fathers that were around - so they also crave adult male attention.
I had way to chummy occurrences happening. Girls would walk into a room I was in, still in bikinis, or worse when my daughter was having a slumber party, walk in with short-short pajama bottoms and loose fit, low cut tank tops. Wanting to "ask me a question" and squirm around like they had to pee in their pants. Purposely bending over to show cleavage etc.
It would be all too easy to seduce one. They want to explore this new feeling they have, the excitement and powerful exquisite wonder of it. An adult man can oh so easily manipulate her.
And THAT - is exploitation. And THAT is why our society protects those girls and makes the act criminal.
What you are telling is, in fact, that little girls are keen on adults and therefor must be protected from them.
If that´s the case, and it is not, why choose teenage girls boys that are not 20 years older?

Well, we will likely agree to disagree here.
But let me say, I have raised a daughter (and a son)
I have coached both girls softball and volleyball.
My son was a swimmer from 4th grade through high school, my wife and I were actively involved in the high school team all 4 years. Girls and boys do not compete with each other, but their events are at the same time if that makes sense.
This is to say, I have a lot of experience and time spent around young girls from birth to 18 years old. And I can say from this experience, that early teen girls are absolutely attracted to older men. Not 50 year old men, or even the vast majority of 40 year old men. But men in their 20's and 30's? Of course they are. I can't imagine you would argue against that. It is simply a fact.
And so yes, these girls should be protected from men who would seek to abuse and manipulate this attraction for their own gratification.
 
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.

Again to me the key word is exploitation.
Can a 15 year old girl, who is unusually mature for her age, have a consensual, mutually beneficial relationship with someone older? Is it possible?
Of course it is.
But what is more likely? What happens more often than not?
I have a 24 year old daughter, we use to live in a house with a pool back then, and it so happened that our home was the gathering place for both of my childrens friends.
When she turned 12-13, there were clear changes in her friends outlook on me.
When a girl gets to this age they become sexually aware of themselves. They are very excited about their budding breast and other changes, they want to wear make-up, wear clothing that is revealing and sexual. They begin teasing boys, otherwise known as prick teasing.
But then there is something else. Many of these girls only a few years ago had crushes on their fathers, others did not have fathers that were around - so they also crave adult male attention.
I had way to chummy occurrences happening. Girls would walk into a room I was in, still in bikinis, or worse when my daughter was having a slumber party, walk in with short-short pajama bottoms and loose fit, low cut tank tops. Wanting to "ask me a question" and squirm around like they had to pee in their pants. Purposely bending over to show cleavage etc.
It would be all too easy to seduce one. They want to explore this new feeling they have, the excitement and powerful exquisite wonder of it. An adult man can oh so easily manipulate her.
And THAT - is exploitation. And THAT is why our society protects those girls and makes the act criminal.
What you are telling is, in fact, that little girls are keen on adults and therefor must be protected from them.
If that´s the case, and it is not, why choose teenage girls boys that are not 20 years older?

Well, we will likely agree to disagree here.
But let me say, I have raised a daughter (and a son)
I have coached both girls softball and volleyball.
My son was a swimmer from 4th grade through high school, my wife and I were actively involved in the high school team all 4 years. Girls and boys do not compete with each other, but their events are at the same time if that makes sense.
This is to say, I have a lot of experience and time spent around young girls from birth to 18 years old. And I can say from this experience, that early teen girls are absolutely attracted to older men. Not 50 year old men, or even the vast majority of 40 year old men. But men in their 20's and 30's? Of course they are. I can't imagine you would argue against that. It is simply a fact.
And so yes, these girls should be protected from men who would seek to abuse and manipulate this attraction for their own gratification.
The girls like handsome males that meet the standard of beauteousness, just like small boys secretly barter Playboy magazines. In addition, girls go out with older boys because boys are less developed. I was in school, too and did not notice any girl that liked the teachers in that way.
Denying the teenage girls ability to figure out, who is good for them and who not, is not an option here.
Most girls appear to be very smart and cannot be fooled by dumb adults that seek gratification. Also, a lets say 29 years old guy is not automatically mental superior to a teenager. Adults exploit each other and some of them try to do so with young girls. Thats not ok, just like when the exploited is a women that hopelessly dreamed of love. I despise any scum that seeks the exploitation of others and my question was not about that.

Its rather the fact that adults are keen on little girls and that is why the girls should be protected from many adults. As the girls dont want to be with the adults, there is only one way for them: rape.
 
Ok. Doesn't change a thing but thinks for your input.

Anyone else have anything worthwhile to say about this?
 
Of course there is a difference. 14/17 relationships occure often, 14/29 almost never. However, if a 14 years old falls into love with a 29 years old and the other way round, what should the state do about it? Jail him away, jail her away, jail both away? I am talking about a harmonious, voluntary relationship.

Again to me the key word is exploitation.
Can a 15 year old girl, who is unusually mature for her age, have a consensual, mutually beneficial relationship with someone older? Is it possible?
Of course it is.
But what is more likely? What happens more often than not?
I have a 24 year old daughter, we use to live in a house with a pool back then, and it so happened that our home was the gathering place for both of my childrens friends.
When she turned 12-13, there were clear changes in her friends outlook on me.
When a girl gets to this age they become sexually aware of themselves. They are very excited about their budding breast and other changes, they want to wear make-up, wear clothing that is revealing and sexual. They begin teasing boys, otherwise known as prick teasing.
But then there is something else. Many of these girls only a few years ago had crushes on their fathers, others did not have fathers that were around - so they also crave adult male attention.
I had way to chummy occurrences happening. Girls would walk into a room I was in, still in bikinis, or worse when my daughter was having a slumber party, walk in with short-short pajama bottoms and loose fit, low cut tank tops. Wanting to "ask me a question" and squirm around like they had to pee in their pants. Purposely bending over to show cleavage etc.
It would be all too easy to seduce one. They want to explore this new feeling they have, the excitement and powerful exquisite wonder of it. An adult man can oh so easily manipulate her.
And THAT - is exploitation. And THAT is why our society protects those girls and makes the act criminal.
What you are telling is, in fact, that little girls are keen on adults and therefor must be protected from them.
If that´s the case, and it is not, why choose teenage girls boys that are not 20 years older?

Well, we will likely agree to disagree here.
But let me say, I have raised a daughter (and a son)
I have coached both girls softball and volleyball.
My son was a swimmer from 4th grade through high school, my wife and I were actively involved in the high school team all 4 years. Girls and boys do not compete with each other, but their events are at the same time if that makes sense.
This is to say, I have a lot of experience and time spent around young girls from birth to 18 years old. And I can say from this experience, that early teen girls are absolutely attracted to older men. Not 50 year old men, or even the vast majority of 40 year old men. But men in their 20's and 30's? Of course they are. I can't imagine you would argue against that. It is simply a fact.
And so yes, these girls should be protected from men who would seek to abuse and manipulate this attraction for their own gratification.
If a hot girl is attracted to me because boys are just stupid pig-like idiots, why should I reject her and put up with emery paper, oversized floppy boobs and canyon faces, instead? And if the choice is unrealistic, again, emery paper, oversized floppy boobs and canyon faces are just for megahorny people, dangerous guys that would even fuck trash bags.
 
You do realize that humans are the only species on EARTH that makes a rule, a law, when someone can find someone attractive or when they can mate. In all other species, as soon as one is capable of reproducing they do, as it maximizes the chances of successful continuation of the species. For all other species, an "11yo with breasts and all the right curves" is ideal for mating and procreation, as she is young and healthy and capable of being a mother. But for humans, that gets you locked in a cage for decades. I'm not saying that it should be legal, but I do believe the whole scenario is misunderstood. Adults who are attracted to pre-pubecent children are against nature, however. But whatever age puberty happens, for all other species, that's all that is necessary. In fact, in human history, children got married and had kids because people died so young. But just because modern medicine has extended human lifespans doesn't turn off natural triggers in ones head.

While one might argue humans are more "sophisticated" on that level, we are still animals with animal instincts. There is a reason that you aren't a pedophile if you're attracted to pubescent people under age 18. Because sexually speaking, there is no difference between a 13 year old with an adult body and an 18 year old. Knowing her birthday doesn't turn off mother nature. The difference is humans can stop themselves from acting. Because I can promise you I can show you a photo of a sexually dressed and sexually developed 18 year old and 13 year old and you'd be hard pressed to identify which was which.

I think society is pressing children to act and look sexually. Just look at that video posted of those 3 girls and how many people came to the defense of their miniskirts. One girls skirt was literally inches below her crotch and people were defending it until their dying day. It's really sad.

Dress like a slut and be called a pervert for being attracted to them because mother nature, going back 10,000 years, says its normal. My grandmother got married at 13, her mother got married at 11. Their husbands were 22 and 24 respectfully, and nobody accused my grandpa of being a pedophile.


WTF? Maybe we're the only species who does so because we're the only species capable of doing so.

We're not monkeys who simply do what feels good. I mean monkeys simply bash another monkey over the head with a rock if they have something that they want as well. Are you advocating for that?
 

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