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[Daryl Hunt]

Only a profound idiot would wait for a bus that might never come and miss the one that does.

Solar power isn't a bus. It's a broken down bicycle.

Being the ultra rightwing fruitcake you are, I don't expect you to understand. But we will go ahead without your help in spite of you.

Not with my tax money, asshole. You can do whatever you want with your own money.

WE aren't using your money. ou don't pay taxes anyway. Stay off the public roads, you aren't paying for them. Your kids shouldn't use any of the educational systems including the colleges or univervsities or tradeschools, stop using the water out of the tap, your Natural Gas needs to be shut off, your electric power needs to be shut off, no gas at the pumps, and more. If you use any of these things you just might be a socialist. Thinking otherwise you also might be inbred.

Yes, I am paying for them. Solar wouldn't exist without generous credits from the taxpayer. I also pay taxes for roads, schools, colleges and universities. I pay the utility company directly for water, gas and electricity. Private companies supply gas at the pump.

Apparently you believe going to the grocery store makes someone a socialist. That's how we know you're a dumbfuck.

Newsflash: The Trucks that deliver your food are all subsidized. If the heavy trucks were taxed like cars according to their actual weight and the damage they do to the road, each truck would be paying over 8000 times the amount of registration fees to be on the road. There is almost nothing in your life that isn't connected to some kind of socialist program.

The Infrastructure that goes into the power and gas grids are from taxes. Are you aware that the Gas, Cable, Telephone and Electric Company don't own the lines even though they are the ones that installed them? They are owned by one of the many levels of Government. And money from Taxes went into putting in those lines. Anytime infrastructure is put into place Government helps with the funding. Like putting in the new Recharging Stations for electric cars. Or putting in new electric lines in a rural area. Or that new Cable TV line that is slowly reaching further into rural America. While you pray to the "Corporate Gods" you should also be aware that they wouldn't exist with the help from the Socialist side of things. If Corporate were left to it' s own devices, there are much easier ways to make money than getting power, tv, internet, etc. to the general public.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Modern autos would not exist without the roads various levels of government has built. There are many things that modern society depends on that were started with taxpayer money, including what we are communicating on right now. Just because you are a little ideological asshole does not change any of that.

That's obvious bullshit because autos came before the roads, not after. Furthermore, private companies were bulding toll roads, but the auto manufacturers wanted the various local governments to subsidize their industry. Private companies developed most of the technology in existence, includng 90% of the internet. They would have developed 100% of the internet technology, given a little more time. There were already private networks in existence at the time. I know because I used to work on one that tied together all the computers in our company. It was only a small leap to go from private networks to public networks.

The Interstate System was NOT built with you in mind. It was built to mobilize the Military. Just like the Autobahn in Germany was built for the same reasons. We learned from Germany of the 30s. And to this day, it's heavily subsidized by the Federal and State Governments. As for the Internet, your Lan has nothing to do with the Internet. You are talking about an Intranet which is a short closed circuit. The father to the Internet interconnected the Military and Universities using underground wiring so that if the over the ground telephone systems were knocked out the Military would still be in operation and communication. Arpnet started it all. I was involved in a bit of Arpnet in a small way like many hundreds of thousands.

 

[bripat9643]

Solar power isn't a bus. It's a broken down bicycle.

Being the ultra rightwing fruitcake you are, I don't expect you to understand. But we will go ahead without your help in spite of you.

Not with my tax money, asshole. You can do whatever you want with your own money.

WE aren't using your money. ou don't pay taxes anyway. Stay off the public roads, you aren't paying for them. Your kids shouldn't use any of the educational systems including the colleges or univervsities or tradeschools, stop using the water out of the tap, your Natural Gas needs to be shut off, your electric power needs to be shut off, no gas at the pumps, and more. If you use any of these things you just might be a socialist. Thinking otherwise you also might be inbred.

Yes, I am paying for them. Solar wouldn't exist without generous credits from the taxpayer. I also pay taxes for roads, schools, colleges and universities. I pay the utility company directly for water, gas and electricity. Private companies supply gas at the pump.

Apparently you believe going to the grocery store makes someone a socialist. That's how we know you're a dumbfuck.

Newsflash: The Trucks that deliver your food are all subsidized. If the heavy trucks were taxed like cars according to their actual weight and the damage they do to the road, each truck would be paying over 8000 times the amount of registration fees to be on the road. There is almost nothing in your life that isn't connected to some kind of socialist program.

Total bullshit. Have you got any proof of the above?

The Infrastructure that goes into the power and gas grids are from taxes. Are you aware that the Gas, Cable, Telephone and Electric Company don't own the lines even though they are the ones that installed them? And money from Taxes went into putting in those lines.

Wrong. It's true the government effectively expropriated them, however. They were built entirely with utility company revenue.

Anytime infrastructure is put into place Government helps with the funding.

Wrong.

Like putting in the new Recharging Stations for electric cars. Or putting in new electric lines in a rural area. Or that new Cable TV line that is slowly reaching further into rural America. While you pray to the "Corporate Gods" you should also be aware that they wouldn't exist with the help from the Socialist side of things. If Corporate were left to it' s own devices, there are much easier ways to make money than getting power, tv, internet, etc. to the general public.

You mean boondoggles wouldn't exist, and people would have to pay the true cost of the services they use.

REA is one of the biggest boondoggles ever foisted on the taxpayers. Most of the people who benefit are wealthy celebrities who live in places like Aspen.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Being the ultra rightwing fruitcake you are, I don't expect you to understand. But we will go ahead without your help in spite of you.

Not with my tax money, asshole. You can do whatever you want with your own money.

WE aren't using your money. ou don't pay taxes anyway. Stay off the public roads, you aren't paying for them. Your kids shouldn't use any of the educational systems including the colleges or univervsities or tradeschools, stop using the water out of the tap, your Natural Gas needs to be shut off, your electric power needs to be shut off, no gas at the pumps, and more. If you use any of these things you just might be a socialist. Thinking otherwise you also might be inbred.

Yes, I am paying for them. Solar wouldn't exist without generous credits from the taxpayer. I also pay taxes for roads, schools, colleges and universities. I pay the utility company directly for water, gas and electricity. Private companies supply gas at the pump.

Apparently you believe going to the grocery store makes someone a socialist. That's how we know you're a dumbfuck.

Newsflash: The Trucks that deliver your food are all subsidized. If the heavy trucks were taxed like cars according to their actual weight and the damage they do to the road, each truck would be paying over 8000 times the amount of registration fees to be on the road. There is almost nothing in your life that isn't connected to some kind of socialist program.

Total bullshit. Have you got any proof of the above?

The Infrastructure that goes into the power and gas grids are from taxes. Are you aware that the Gas, Cable, Telephone and Electric Company don't own the lines even though they are the ones that installed them? And money from Taxes went into putting in those lines.

Wrong. It's true the government effectively expropriated them, however. They were built entirely with utility company revenue.

Anytime infrastructure is put into place Government helps with the funding.

Wrong.

Like putting in the new Recharging Stations for electric cars. Or putting in new electric lines in a rural area. Or that new Cable TV line that is slowly reaching further into rural America. While you pray to the "Corporate Gods" you should also be aware that they wouldn't exist with the help from the Socialist side of things. If Corporate were left to it' s own devices, there are much easier ways to make money than getting power, tv, internet, etc. to the general public.

You mean boondoggles wouldn't exist, and people would have to pay the true cost of the services they use.

REA is one of the biggest boondoggles ever foisted on the taxpayers. Most of the people who benefit are wealthy celebrities who live in places like Aspen.

Are you aware that the lines are LEASED, not owned by the various companies? This is why the community can kick any of these companies to the curb and bring in another one. Yes, the Company installed them but the bulk of the funds to do the work was from the Tax Payer. It's all part of doing business. You can't change the fact that almost every facet of your life is affected by the Government unless you are living completely off the Grid. And even then, some of what you need to survive will still be affected by the Tax Payer and Government. A Republic has a bit of Socialism in it in order to exist.

 

[martybegan]

Do you have a link for 80% in overcast conditions and 50% in the rain?

I don't need it. I deal in solar and electric power. It's from my own experience. Solar uses rays that are beyond our sight as well. Pretty much, if there is any light at all, solar will use it. If it's 80% across the board on all waves then you get 80%. If it's raining, even the rain will refract light. Just not as much as either a cloudy day or a clear day.

But since you can't seem to find google yourself, here is a couple of cites
Will My Solar Panels Work When It’s Cloudy or Rainy? | Direct Energy Solar

Do Solar Panels Work at Night or On Cloudy Days? | EnergySage

From what I read you only get 10%-25% efficiency when it's cloudy. Your 2nd link also only says 10-25%, so why are you going on about 80%?


Do solar panels work in cloudy weather?

The link says a 10 to 25% decrease. That would be a total of 75 to 90% total. The old Solar Panels were like you say. But the new ones are tuned more to accept to operate more efficiently. On a Bike (trike) on a cloudy day, you can still get 8 amps out of the 12 on a cloudy day. Meaning, wihtout battery, you can do about 8 mph versus 12 mph. That doesn't sound real impressive but during a continous operation, that's still quite a range. Now, add a 50AH battery and you have a 20 mph bike with unlimited range with about a 4 hour night time operating range. Trust me, spend 12 hours on that rig and your ass is flat. but you will have gone more than 200 miles.

No, the link says you get 10-25% efficiency.

On a cloudy day, typical solar panels can produce 10-25% of their rated capacity.

So if you can usually get 100 watts out of a cell, you only get 10-25 on a cloudy or rainy day.

You have a link for these 75% efficient on a cloudy day cells?

It all depends on how old the system is. Like Westwall's system, being 30 years old, it's not going to be real efficient. But the brand new stuff can run on the other light waves other than white light just fine. Light goes from Microwave to higher frequency light we can't see. There are more types of light that we can't see than we can see. Building a system to utilize the full spectrum means that when the white light isn't there as much, the others can pick up the slack. And that is where we are today. Yes, it's expensive but the cost is coming down as production comes up.

Even the newer ones are still only at the high end (25%) efficient when cloudy.

Why can't you just admit you misread the article?

 

[there4eyeM]

Solar and other renewable energy sources offer the possibility to decentralize and, thus, democratize, power, in more than one way. Control over our lives would be more in our hands and less in those of government, technicians and 'experts'. Anything that works to further and prolong centralization is against our interests.

 

[bripat9643]

Not with my tax money, asshole. You can do whatever you want with your own money.

WE aren't using your money. ou don't pay taxes anyway. Stay off the public roads, you aren't paying for them. Your kids shouldn't use any of the educational systems including the colleges or univervsities or tradeschools, stop using the water out of the tap, your Natural Gas needs to be shut off, your electric power needs to be shut off, no gas at the pumps, and more. If you use any of these things you just might be a socialist. Thinking otherwise you also might be inbred.

Yes, I am paying for them. Solar wouldn't exist without generous credits from the taxpayer. I also pay taxes for roads, schools, colleges and universities. I pay the utility company directly for water, gas and electricity. Private companies supply gas at the pump.

Apparently you believe going to the grocery store makes someone a socialist. That's how we know you're a dumbfuck.

Newsflash: The Trucks that deliver your food are all subsidized. If the heavy trucks were taxed like cars according to their actual weight and the damage they do to the road, each truck would be paying over 8000 times the amount of registration fees to be on the road. There is almost nothing in your life that isn't connected to some kind of socialist program.

Total bullshit. Have you got any proof of the above?

The Infrastructure that goes into the power and gas grids are from taxes. Are you aware that the Gas, Cable, Telephone and Electric Company don't own the lines even though they are the ones that installed them? And money from Taxes went into putting in those lines.

Wrong. It's true the government effectively expropriated them, however. They were built entirely with utility company revenue.

Anytime infrastructure is put into place Government helps with the funding.

Wrong.

Like putting in the new Recharging Stations for electric cars. Or putting in new electric lines in a rural area. Or that new Cable TV line that is slowly reaching further into rural America. While you pray to the "Corporate Gods" you should also be aware that they wouldn't exist with the help from the Socialist side of things. If Corporate were left to it' s own devices, there are much easier ways to make money than getting power, tv, internet, etc. to the general public.

You mean boondoggles wouldn't exist, and people would have to pay the true cost of the services they use.

REA is one of the biggest boondoggles ever foisted on the taxpayers. Most of the people who benefit are wealthy celebrities who live in places like Aspen.

Are you aware that the lines are LEASED, not owned by the various companies? This is why the community can kick any of these companies to the curb and bring in another one. Yes, the Company installed them but the bulk of the funds to do the work was from the Tax Payer. It's all part of doing business. You can't change the fact that almost every facet of your life is affected by the Government unless you are living completely off the Grid. And even then, some of what you need to survive will still be affected by the Tax Payer and Government. A Republic has a bit of Socialism in it in order to exist.

That's obvious bullshit. The bulk of the funds to install the lines came from the power utility. Why would they need taxpayer money when they can charge their customers for the cost? You're obviously spouting horseshit, In recent years a number of states, counties, cities have implemented policies where consumers can purchase power from other suppliers. They do this by forcing the utilities that own the power lines to lease them to other vendors for an approved rate. The utility that installed the power lines still owns them, however.

It's true that almost every facet of your life is affected by the Government. That's all the parts of my life that suck. There is simply no requirment for government to be involved in providing any services other than law enforcement, and I would even argue with that. Government is a criminal gang that horns in wherever it can. It doesn't improve life overall.

 

[bripat9643]

Solar and other renewable energy sources offer the possibility to decentralize and, thus, democratize, power, in more than one way. Control over our lives would be more in our hands and less in those of government, technicians and 'experts'. Anything that works to further and prolong centralization is against our interests.

No one is stopping you from installing solar. Go right ahead, spend all your money.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't need it. I deal in solar and electric power. It's from my own experience. Solar uses rays that are beyond our sight as well. Pretty much, if there is any light at all, solar will use it. If it's 80% across the board on all waves then you get 80%. If it's raining, even the rain will refract light. Just not as much as either a cloudy day or a clear day.

But since you can't seem to find google yourself, here is a couple of cites
Will My Solar Panels Work When It’s Cloudy or Rainy? | Direct Energy Solar

Do Solar Panels Work at Night or On Cloudy Days? | EnergySage

From what I read you only get 10%-25% efficiency when it's cloudy. Your 2nd link also only says 10-25%, so why are you going on about 80%?


Do solar panels work in cloudy weather?

The link says a 10 to 25% decrease. That would be a total of 75 to 90% total. The old Solar Panels were like you say. But the new ones are tuned more to accept to operate more efficiently. On a Bike (trike) on a cloudy day, you can still get 8 amps out of the 12 on a cloudy day. Meaning, wihtout battery, you can do about 8 mph versus 12 mph. That doesn't sound real impressive but during a continous operation, that's still quite a range. Now, add a 50AH battery and you have a 20 mph bike with unlimited range with about a 4 hour night time operating range. Trust me, spend 12 hours on that rig and your ass is flat. but you will have gone more than 200 miles.

No, the link says you get 10-25% efficiency.

On a cloudy day, typical solar panels can produce 10-25% of their rated capacity.

So if you can usually get 100 watts out of a cell, you only get 10-25 on a cloudy or rainy day.

You have a link for these 75% efficient on a cloudy day cells?

It all depends on how old the system is. Like Westwall's system, being 30 years old, it's not going to be real efficient. But the brand new stuff can run on the other light waves other than white light just fine. Light goes from Microwave to higher frequency light we can't see. There are more types of light that we can't see than we can see. Building a system to utilize the full spectrum means that when the white light isn't there as much, the others can pick up the slack. And that is where we are today. Yes, it's expensive but the cost is coming down as production comes up.

Even the newer ones are still only at the high end (25%) efficient when cloudy.

Why can't you just admit you misread the article?

Efficiency is not the same thing as power output. Their efficiency can remain exactly the same, but their power output can decline by 90% on cloudy days.

 

[martybegan]

From what I read you only get 10%-25% efficiency when it's cloudy. Your 2nd link also only says 10-25%, so why are you going on about 80%?


Do solar panels work in cloudy weather?

The link says a 10 to 25% decrease. That would be a total of 75 to 90% total. The old Solar Panels were like you say. But the new ones are tuned more to accept to operate more efficiently. On a Bike (trike) on a cloudy day, you can still get 8 amps out of the 12 on a cloudy day. Meaning, wihtout battery, you can do about 8 mph versus 12 mph. That doesn't sound real impressive but during a continous operation, that's still quite a range. Now, add a 50AH battery and you have a 20 mph bike with unlimited range with about a 4 hour night time operating range. Trust me, spend 12 hours on that rig and your ass is flat. but you will have gone more than 200 miles.

No, the link says you get 10-25% efficiency.

On a cloudy day, typical solar panels can produce 10-25% of their rated capacity.

So if you can usually get 100 watts out of a cell, you only get 10-25 on a cloudy or rainy day.

You have a link for these 75% efficient on a cloudy day cells?

It all depends on how old the system is. Like Westwall's system, being 30 years old, it's not going to be real efficient. But the brand new stuff can run on the other light waves other than white light just fine. Light goes from Microwave to higher frequency light we can't see. There are more types of light that we can't see than we can see. Building a system to utilize the full spectrum means that when the white light isn't there as much, the others can pick up the slack. And that is where we are today. Yes, it's expensive but the cost is coming down as production comes up.

Even the newer ones are still only at the high end (25%) efficient when cloudy.

Why can't you just admit you misread the article?

Efficiency is not the same thing as power output. Their efficiency can remain exactly the same, but their power output can decline by 90% on cloudy days.

Ah, a technological word quibble!!!

I did use the term efficient, not efficiency, which I used to describe the drop in yes, power output, expected when the sun isn't shining.

So my use of the word efficient while not exactly correct, does give the proper impression of a reduction in power provided vs. the maximum value expected.

 

[there4eyeM]

It is investing, not spending, to go solar.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

It is investing, not spending, to go solar.

He'll change his tune when someone invents a petro powered solar panel.