Loading The Nagasaki Bomb

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    The bomb never lived up to expectations, only some 50,000 killed by intial estimates. The first reason given for the faliure to perform was the topography of the valley Nagasaki was located in, the second later reason was the failure to hit the aiming point, Nagasaki was a secondary choice after the primary target was found obscured by clouds, the third reason may be that the bomb was detonated at the wrong height. If this bomb, the last of only two available, had been the only atomic weapon used on Japan, the Japanese would likely have laughed, then said "You've got a hot bomb! So what!" and kept on fighting. They incorrectly guessed at the cards the US held in its hands and surrendered.

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    By the time we used the atomic bombs, Japan was already in the process of trying to surrender. But we made a big deal about "unconditional surrender" so the bombs were like hitting a boxer who's already fallen, but then tries to get back up and dropping a cement mixer on him. Wasn't necessary, but was expediant. It only forced the Japanese to give up on 'conditional surrender.'

    As we only learned in teh decades that followed with atmosphereic testing, the altitude you detonate a nuclear weapon determines how effective it is. Too low, or on the ground much of the shockwave is absorbed/lost right into the earth. Too high and the shockwave doesn't inflict maximum damage. The sweet spot depends on the yield.

    Aiming points and even low-yield atomic class weapons is kinda laughable. Doesn't matter where it goes off, especially nowadays when so much bad info has everyone wetting themselves at the idea of another being used in anger. Mushroom cloud rising over open ocean with just fish being killed will have the exact same result vaporizing a city will insofar as the panic that'd ensue. Actually hitting any part of the city had the same result an on-target blast woulda. The point wasn't so much to inflict more damage but to bluff them into thinking we had more we could use. The bluff worked, but we'd been making many many more now that we knew we could and how. If the war had dragged on, we'd have had more to use.
     
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    The President drew a red line, and it was crossed.

    Ah, the good ol' days.
     
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    Today's presidential "red lines" are made with lipstick stains applied to the aggressor's ass.
     
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    Japan NEVER offered to surrender. What they offered was to return to November 1941 borders. I have source documents that prove this and prove that japan ONLY surrendered because of the 2nd atomic attack when the Emperor intervened against the ruling Government run by the Army. Further those documents prove the Army tried to run a Coup against their living God Emperor to continue the war.

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    Claiming that an offer to return to the November 1941 Borders is an offer to surrender is ridiculous. Further Japan INSISTED that no foreign troops would be allowed in Japan and that they would not disarm.
     
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    This is what I people who hate America for the bombs seem to not understand. How many American lives did the threat of those bombs save? We who were not the aggressors?

    That it took more than one should be enough evidence that Japan was not about to surrender.
     
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    Japan was just lucky it wasn't wiped off the face of the earth...for all the horrors it did in WW2.
     
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    There's still time but it may be China wot does it.
     
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    History's not your strong suit is it.........
     
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    Gee, only 50,000 killed in the initial blast. How many died from radioactive poisoning? The dirty little secret is that Japan was a defeated enemy by the time the Bombs were dropped. Truman was a clueless bean counter former senator and crazy elements of the military and the so-called scientific community were dying to test their invention on real people. The winners get to write the history books and propaganda for a half century has convinced Americans that incinerating civilians was a legitimate military strategy.
     

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