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Yet again, you are not focusing on the topic. (Man, I love the opportunity to bump the actual topic again and again.It's hysterical that you whined about being thought of as one who uses (or even knows) what critical thought is elsewhere this evening then you post this garbage. As I said, demonstrate an ability to apply critical thought and perhaps someone may believe you even know what it is.
I answered your question above. You asked how I came to my conclusion. What you call a 'conclusion' (LMAO) is my opinion that I agree with her. I answered above. Read.
And, as to your accusation that I actually put weight on the rep system, that is nothing but cheap talk and remains bullshit until you support it with something of substance.
you are putting weight on the rep system. you do it by neg repping posts you sometimes do not even read, instead of answering them on the open board. as usual, you fail.) The topic is the fact that Liz Cheney said that BHO's visit to Dover was for publicity - nothing sincere about it, except for publicity.
Fascinating. You need to read the actual OP. That's in post no. 1, by the way. When you've read it, perhaps you'll be able to have some substance and relevance of input.You're still not focusing on the actual topic which is the fact that Liz Cheney said that BHO's visit to Dover was for publicity - nothing sincere about it.
dover? what is liz cheney doing in the UK? are tax payers getting ripped again? i am concerned.
Duh. Read the thread.Fascinating. You need to read the actual OP. That's in post no. 1, by the way. When you've read it, perhaps you'll be able to have some substance and relevance of input.dover? what is liz cheney doing in the UK? are tax payers getting ripped again? i am concerned.
OK. Read it again. Liz Cheney dishonestly implied that Bush went to Dover privately, without cameras, publicity, etc.
Condi Rice's former boss is delusional. She should shut her trap. She and her shooter dad may have some federal legal problems in the near future. I hope so. That's why we hear so much filth spewing from her and her daddy's mouths.
THEY LIE
Man, I missed this demonstration of what colossal idiocy you post.i am so disappointed, since i tried to be on topic, si modo does not want to play.
EDIT: right now si modo pretends to be very reasonable in another thread and avoids this one, as it is ON TOPIC
It really is inexcusable, and that's putting it mildly. It was for publicity - he used them.Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
President Bush (news - web sites) is
applauded as he is introduced before
speaking to soldiers and families at Butts
Army Air Field Monday, Nov. 24, 2003. Bush
is visiting Fort Carson, Colo., home to four
of the 16 soldiers killed Nov. 2 when a U.S.
helicopter was shot down in the dangerous
Sunni Triangle near Fallujah, Iraq
Sure we can. We can expect the 'commander' in Chief to send those in harms way the help they requested or pull them out of harms way.I hated Bush and support Obama.
But I would NEVER question the motives of a President who honors our wounded or fallen soldiers. We cannot do enough for these men and to turn the act of honoring our dead into a political football is despicable
I hated Bush and support Obama.
But I would NEVER question the motives of a President who honors our wounded or fallen soldiers. We cannot do enough for these men and to turn the act of honoring our dead into a political football is despicable
Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
i cannot tell if your post is on topic or off topic, but since it does not even mention liz cheney and her alleged lying, but is critical of obama, your post will be called On topic by the keystone kop.
here is the parallel bush photo op, pretty strange huh?
http://www.carson.army.mil/images/Bush @Fort Carson.pdf
President Bush (news - web sites) is
applauded as he is introduced before
speaking to soldiers and families at Butts
Army Air Field Monday, Nov. 24, 2003. Bush
is visiting Fort Carson, Colo., home to four
of the 16 soldiers killed Nov. 2 when a U.S.
helicopter was shot down in the dangerous
Sunni Triangle near Fallujah, Iraq
hey he even wore an army jacket, coooooooooooool
EDIT: ok no cameras when he spoke to the families, i fail.
EDIT2: on the other hand, i cannot find pics of obama with the families, so it is the parallel after all.
Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
i cannot tell if your post is on topic or off topic, but since it does not even mention liz cheney and her alleged lying, but is critical of obama, your post will be called On topic by the keystone kop.
here is the parallel bush photo op, pretty strange huh?
http://www.carson.army.mil/images/Bush @Fort Carson.pdf
President Bush (news - web sites) is
applauded as he is introduced before
speaking to soldiers and families at Butts
Army Air Field Monday, Nov. 24, 2003. Bush
is visiting Fort Carson, Colo., home to four
of the 16 soldiers killed Nov. 2 when a U.S.
helicopter was shot down in the dangerous
Sunni Triangle near Fallujah, Iraq
hey he even wore an army jacket, coooooooooooool
EDIT: ok no cameras when he spoke to the families, i fail.
EDIT2: on the other hand, i cannot find pics of obama with the families, so it is the parallel after all.
In your opinion. Did you win or lose the debate with yourself?
The big blowup that was the beginning of the end of open casket arrival ceremonies has been called "The Dover Incident." On Dec. 21, 1989, the U.S. had just invaded Panama, and the first U.S. military casualties were returned to Dover Air Force Base. At the same moment the TV networks were broadcasting the images of that grim arrival, President George H.W. Bush held his first news conference since the invasion. He appeared to be joking, evening laughing, at the very moments the caskets were arriving. ABC, CBS and CNN showed the strikingly different images -- the joking president and the caskets on split-screen, live. The practice of allowing coverage of arriving caskets stopped right away.
The Dover Incident is just one of many times that the government has opened the coffin ceremonies to the public when the publicity suits the government's purposes of stirring emotions or drumming up support for a war effort. For example, the National Security Archive lists these exceptions to the ban:
1980: President Carter was photographed at Arlington praying over flag-draped coffins bearing the remains of the eight U.S. airmen killed in the aborted rescue of the Tehran Embassy hostages.
1983: President Reagan was present at Andrews AFB for a ceremony for American diplomatic and military personnel killed in the April bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. He was photographed in front of a row of flag-draped coffins bearing the remains of military and diplomatic personnel. Within a few days of the ceremony photographs were provided to the media by the White House.
1985: President Reagan attended a ceremony at Andrews AFB for military personnel killed in El Salvador, pinning purple hearts on their flag-draped caskets. The event was covered by the media.
1989: The media covered ceremonies at Norfolk, Virginia for 47 U.S. sailors killed in an accidental explosion aboard the battleship U.S.S. Iowa.
I hated Bush and support Obama.
But I would NEVER question the motives of a President who honors our wounded or fallen soldiers. We cannot do enough for these men and to turn the act of honoring our dead into a political football is despicable
If Obama really held our dead in any regard, he would MAKE A FUCKING DECISION, not show up and salute - and it's a sad day when our POTUS can't even damned well salute.
Duh. Read the thread.Fascinating. You need to read the actual OP. That's in post no. 1, by the way. When you've read it, perhaps you'll be able to have some substance and relevance of input.
OK. Read it again. Liz Cheney dishonestly implied that Bush went to Dover privately, without cameras, publicity, etc.
I hated Bush and support Obama.
But I would NEVER question the motives of a President who honors our wounded or fallen soldiers. We cannot do enough for these men and to turn the act of honoring our dead into a political football is despicable
If Obama really held our dead in any regard, he would MAKE A FUCKING DECISION, not show up and salute - and it's a sad day when our POTUS can't even damned well salute.
He did make a decision to send an additional 20,000 soldiers into the fight.
It is the additional 70,000 that is causing concern. Presidents can't just rubber stamp requests for additional troops. That is why we have a civilian Commander in Chief.
Lincoln fought requests by MacClellen for hundreds of thousands of additional troops and he was right.
LBJ rubber stamped VietNam requests and he was wrong.
I expect a President to be cautious in sending our boys into harms way. Look what happened to Bush in Iraq
Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
Bush met with military family, in private, without cameras, on many occassions. No presidents have done what Obama has done in the last 44 years.
Why is Obama different? He did it for publicity. It was after midnight, with only one of 18 families agreeing to let him do it. In the last month, only one camera crew has been present for these ceremonies. Pretty strange Obama has coverage huh?
If he wants to honor military service, lay out a clear plan on what we are doing in Afghanistan and how we are going to do it. He has had since August of 2008 to learn what is going on. Fourteen months is enough Mr. President. Stop the political games.
You realize we've been in Afghanistan for 8 years, right?
Eder, glad you see the debate within as a win. No Presidents have greeted WAR dead during the time period I stated. Reagan was at a ceremony, but we were not at war it was a terrorist act.
The link you requested:
TimesOnline.com: *Obama visits Dover AFB to honor fallen soldiers
Key part:
"The Pentagon this year lifted its 18-year ban on media covering the return of U.S. service members killed in action if family permission is provided. With Obama in attendance, the media were to witness the transfer of one fallen soldier: Sgt. Dale R. Griffin of Terre Haute, Ind.
Obama walked along with the official party onto the huge, gray cargo plane, its hatch open. They emerged one by one, the president last, forming a line of honor.
The flag-draped remains of Griffin were carried off the plane by six Army soldiers in fatigues and black berets. Obama and the officials salute. The transfer case then was placed in a white van to be taken to the mortuary facility on the base.
The rest of the solemn morning was kept out of sight of the press on family wishes."
