Living Together Peacefully in America's "Arab Street"

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    Living Together Peacefully in Heart of Arab America
    By Pierre M. Atlas, The Indianapolis Star
    July 28, 2005

    DEARBORN, Mich.-- I traveled to Dearborn with my friend Charlie Wiles, a third-generation Hoosier and Lebanese American, to soak in what might be called America's "Arab street." About 300 miles northeast of Indy, Dearborn is home to the largest concentration of Arabs outside the Middle East. Thirty percent of Dearborn's residents are of Arab origin, as are half the kids in its public schools.

    Storefronts have signs in Arabic as well as English and shopkeepers bid goodbye to customers with "Allah Ma'ak" or "God be with you." Arab markets, bakeries and halal butcher shops line West Warren Street, and many shops display large inventories of narghilas, the traditional water pipe smoked in the Middle East. The sights, sounds and smells reminded me of my visit to Jordan last summer. But Dearborn is unlike any city in the Arab world -- because it is also American.

    The first Arab-American museum in the country recently opened here. Its wall of fame identifies notable Arab Americans in various fields. Famous sports figures include pro football stars Darren and Doug Flutie, Indy car champ Bobby Rahal and bowler Eddie Elias. Famous political figures include Ralph Nader, John Sununu, former U.S. Sens. George Mitchell and Spencer Abraham, and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels.

    America has always attracted people from around the world because of its religious and political freedom, tolerance of difference, and economic opportunity. Dearborn epitomizes these traits. The Arab population is Christian and Muslim, Sunni and Shia, pious and secular, and they live, work and eat side by side. Dearborn has a palpable sense of "live and let live," and we were told this also applies to relations between Arabs and the non-Arab majority.

    "Arabs came to the U.S. to realize the American Dream," says Adnan Baydoun, president of the Bint Jebail Cultural Center and editor of the Arabic language section of the community's newspaper, the Arab-American News.

    Neal Abu Nab, a Palestinian American originally from Ramallah, agrees. He has filmed a documentary about the Arab-American experience called "The Arabian Dream."

    Abu Nab is Sunni and Baydoun is a Lebanese Shiite. These distinctions made little difference to them as they sat in Baydoun's office smoking cigarettes and talking of Dearborn. Abu Nab suggests that "Dearborn is a model of how Arabs can get along in a democracy."

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    Ah, yes, wonderful, wonderful. Arabs came here for the American dream. Funny, Americans never go to Arab countries for the Arab dream. Why is that?

    Do "dreams" come from nowhere, like magic, or are they the result of culturally-specific behaviors and attitudes? Does the white population of this country make a mistake by inviting everyone from around the globe to participate in its "dream"? Is it a good thing, within limits, but a bad thing, taken too far?

    I think the answer is yes.

    Arab culture, like Jewish culture, African culture, Hispanic culture, etc., is respectable and fine IN ITS OWN PLACE. But so is white culture. But sadly, white culture is the only one that doesn't think it has a right to exist. And this attitude will be its downfall.
     
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    Joyce, you completely missed the writer's point in this article, which is that Arabs are able to adapt to and successfully live in a democracy.
     
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    What makes you think the USA is the only place with white people in it? These countries have a huge white majority back when American was 100% Native Indian and didn't have a single Caucasian in it: Australia (92%), Austria (88%), Czech Republic (~99%), Finland (99%), Germany (91%), Greece (98%)... and many others. Link

    I think people in the above countries would be deeply insulted if you suggested they were not white. Maybe if you are upset by the fact that the majority of Americans (sorry, you have a minority viewpoint in the US) have democratically decided that they favour a multicultural sociey, you would be happier in Sweden? I was there a few years ago and there wasn't a darkie around! I've heard Australia is nice too and they aren't as socialist as Sweden so maybe the land down under would be even better for you?

    Don't be so hard on white culture. What you seem to be fed up with is American culture because there are plenty of countries on earth which are almost all white.
     
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    Disagree with my conclusions all you want, but it is simply not true that the "majority of Americans have democratically decided that they favor a multicultural society." White Americans have done no such thing. "Multiculturalism" had and has practically ZERO popular support. It's all come down on us by way of government edict, education brainwashing, judicial fiat and cultural usurpation. It's a left-wing attack on traditional American culture, and yes, the majority white population. "Integration," for instance, that much-vaunted good, has been a total failure. Busing, a failure. It took guns and high taxes and other federal forces to get it to happen, and even then, people (of all races) hated it. Blacks today have been quoted as saying they aren't enthusiastic about busing any more. Immigration? Don't get me started. The overwhelming majority of Americans are dead set against it, but our politicians shove it down our throats anyway. And it doesn't end there. Just pop into any lunchroom in the nation: blacks at one table, whites at the next.

    Fact is that what people really want is to be with their own races. They demonstrate this time and time again. There was nothing "democratic" about the turning of America into a Third-World shithole. I didn't vote for it, and much as my views are supposed to reviled, few others did.

    Because however much you want to yell about me being a "racist," the fact is that way, way more Americans feel the way I do than will probably ever say out loud or even on an anonymous Internet chat board.
     
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    Interesting how you only responded to a single line of my post. Since socalist countries like Finland have managed to stay 99% white, what have the left wing Finnish people done right that right wing America has failed at?

    Regardless, I guess by your own admission, democracy has been a complete and utter failure in the US. What of the right to bear arms in order to stop a government from oppressing the people it serves? If you are right and multiculturalism has had ZERO support, why hasn't nearly every American taken up their arms and stormed the White House? You seem to have a lot of contempt for the government but it sounds to me like you also have a lot of contempt for the American people and the Constitution of your country that has obviously failed miserably to keep the government accountable to the people.
     
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    Well, you got me there. Maybe I do have some contempt for "the people," but not any more than most, lib and con. I don't think the Constitution has failed us and I certainly don't have contempt for it. I just think we've been beset by a demographic assault, and that we should be fighting back. Why people aren't "taking up arms," as you say, can be explained: do that, and you get killed by the government. But as far as white resistance goes, the U.S. finds ways to put folks like David Duke in jail on trumped-charges, so it's scary to speak out.
     
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    WJ, expound. I never thought I'd say that. Are you talking Koresh? Please do not tell me you are of the mindset of Matthew Hale?
     
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    Y'all can't argue with Sweet William. His white supremacist dogma is so deeply ingrained that no logical argument can pass it. He is a fearful little creature who deserves both our pity and our scorn.
     
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    I'm not really into Jesus much, so Koresh isn't my bag, and I'm not into parading around giving the Nazi salute, so Matt Hale isn't my bag, either. I was asked a question about why whites don't take up arms about their displacement. My answer was, partly because doing so would cause a government crackdown --- which I'm sure you'd agree is true. And partly because the issue is so taboo that people can't even talk about it without getting in trouble --- which is also true.

    None of which changes the fact that whites are a people who, contrary to liberal opinion, DID found and build America, and who are losing this country to multiracialism. That's an injustice because it means our interests as a people are compromised: we don't get the jobs, we don't run our own affairs, etc. All bad.

    Yes, there are folks who seek a bloody and violent white revolution. I can't do anything about that any more than I can do something about all the anti-white discrimination in America. My hope is that white people will use their freedom of speech and the political and legal systems to win back their right of association and survival.

    Is that so radical?

    You wouldn't say so if blacks said the exact same thing, I bet.
     

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