Limbaugh silenced by sykes...

[Red Dawn]

1) Limbaugh is not the "Republican Leader"
2) The guy will still be the entertainer he is and his audience (of which I am not one) will still be there
3) What do you expect to accomplish by lashing back, if you are him? An ongoing flame war between him and a c-rate comedienne? Actually serves no purpose
4) And it really seems like it is the far lefties who are truly addicted to Limbaugh... you never really see the republicans, conservatives, or 'righties' spouting off about anything about him, for the most part

I don't understand why you Cons and bush voters are embarrased to call Boss Limbaugh your leader.

He's the only republican on the national stage that republicans are afraid to criticize, and the only republican that GOP congressmen go too to grovel for approval and forgiveness. Shit, the republican base said all kinds of nasty insults about mccain, their party's own presidential nominee, and no one ever went to him to grovel and apologize.

shit man, the vice president of your party, the Dick man, said on national TV that the party needs to be more like rush, and less moderate.

Afraid to criticize?? I've called him a windbag and nothing more than an entertainer for as long as I can remember

Nice try

I didn't know you were a national republican leader. Which office do you hold?


And can you name other republican leaders in senate and congress who criticize rush?

If not, why not?

 

[Harry Dresden]

you and truthmatters should hook up...

both are enjoying the the inner sanctum of the far lefts intestinal tract were Bobo gives his daily pep talk...

 

[wvulax]

Rush said yesterday that excessive sugar intake does not cause diabetes. He says ridiculous things to get people upset, so I don't see why everyone is upset about a joke. I know most republicans don't believe that there is a limit on comedy because I still hear racist jokes from them. It's just a joke though. They don't endorse the oppression of minorities directly. Wanda Sykes isn't planning on killing Rush so what's the big deal?

 

[Meister]

Rush said yesterday that excessive sugar intake does not cause diabetes. He says ridiculous things to get people upset, so I don't see why everyone is upset about a joke. I know most republicans don't believe that there is a limit on comedy because I still hear racist jokes from them. It's just a joke though. They don't endorse the oppression of minorities directly. Wanda Sykes isn't planning on killing Rush so what's the big deal?

FYI....excessive sugar doesn't cause diabetes.

 

[DiamondDave]

I don't understand why you Cons and bush voters are embarrased to call Boss Limbaugh your leader.

He's the only republican on the national stage that republicans are afraid to criticize, and the only republican that GOP congressmen go too to grovel for approval and forgiveness. Shit, the republican base said all kinds of nasty insults about mccain, their party's own presidential nominee, and no one ever went to him to grovel and apologize.

shit man, the vice president of your party, the Dick man, said on national TV that the party needs to be more like rush, and less moderate.

Afraid to criticize?? I've called him a windbag and nothing more than an entertainer for as long as I can remember

Nice try

I didn't know you were a national republican leader. Which office do you hold?


And can you name other republican leaders in senate and congress who criticize rush?

If not, why not?

As stated before, uber-lefy.. just as the lefty politicians attach to and cater to their lefty media sources, many REPs attach to to their media sources as well.... because politicians are about exposure...

It still does not make Rush or any other talk show host on EITHER side some political or party leader

but nice try again

 

[KittenKoder]

Afraid to criticize?? I've called him a windbag and nothing more than an entertainer for as long as I can remember

Nice try

I didn't know you were a national republican leader. Which office do you hold?


And can you name other republican leaders in senate and congress who criticize rush?

If not, why not?

As stated before, uber-lefy.. just as the lefty politicians attach to and cater to their lefty media sources, many REPs attach to to their media sources as well.... because politicians are about exposure...

It still does not make Rush or any other talk show host on EITHER side some political or party leader

but nice try again

Actually, not this time, there have been a few Republican leaders that did criticize Rush.

 

[MaggieMae]

Rush has so much influence over gullible people, and the right still lost the election. Go figure. The level of intellegence of most the masses scares me too. They can be swayed so easily by the NY, and LA times, along with MSNBC, NBC, etc. That scares the hell out of me. Maggie, common sense and rational have left the building on both sides of the isle. Conservatives aren't afraid of imploding, they just need to re educate themselves to the core values. McCain was not part of the core values of conservatives. He should have never won the primaries, but it was the media who helped him along. He was the easiest candidate to beat in the election, and they knew it. Media does have the power to sway people that aren't savy to politics.

I keep waiting for someone to identify those "core values" as they apply to a country of over 300 million diversified people who NEED, not just WANT, good schools, roads and bridges, border security, defense against known foreign enemies, access to reasonably priced health care, better assurance that the food we eat isn't full of critters and toxins, jobs that pay a decent wage, "stuff" to build (not just service), job training for new jobs when old ones "go south," and at the same time maintain a standard of living acceptable to all "classes" of wealth. GOP pollster Frank Luntz researched about a year ago what Americans require, and then after gathering the information, conducted a survey based on those requirements which concluded that most Americans would support higher taxes if necessary to attain it all.

So I keep waiting for your "PLAN" which deals with realistic applications based on the above, not Here's-How-It-SHOULD-Be ideologies.

How about schools with no sto protect the unqualified instructors. Higher pay with performance. Does that sound good to you, Maggie?? How about Instructors teaching their students the 3 R's, and not their politics. Does that sound good to you Maggie? How about job training for the unemployed? How about a welfare system that isn't a career?How about a healthcare system that gives credit to (low wage earners) that can't afford healthcare, and credits to healthcare providers that do provide healthcare to the low wage earners. How does that sound to you Maggie?
I'm all for the roads and bridges. I do want closed borders, but the politicians on each side don't seem to. I want a fair wage for fair days work. I'm not saying that all jobs should be paid the same. When I first started in the job market, it was an entry paying job. I knew I wasn't going to make a career of it. Not all jobs are going to be a career job, Maggie. Your standard of living is as vague as it can get....so I won't even comment on that tripe. I don't feel a crackhead should be living the life of the middle class with the benefits coming from the government.
Maggie our government isn't perfect, and it's not ever going to be. But, we have to live within our means as a country, and as individuals. The country you want will be a 2 class society. The elite, and the lower middle class. Sorry that's not for me. You want to live like that, give your money away...but, I worked hard for mine. I'm not a socialist like you are.
Sidenote for you. Do you think the politicians would accept the healthcare system for themselves that they're going to shove down your throat??? Be honest.

You've simply identified some problems, but offer no solutions as to a better way to fix those problems. Just saying that educators should be paid based on merit and not tenure is a given; not a solution. How would you go about doing that?

No, the government isn't perfect, and no plan for anything will be perfect either. But stuff has to be tried. We can't just sit back and wish we could turn back the clock to the 50's and have it magically happen.

You misinterpreted my blanket "standard of living" comment. Mine is lower than my brother's, yet higher than my next door neighbor's. But all 3 of us are happy with what we've got. Nobody is asking YOU to reduce your own standard of living down to that of a crackhead. (I really wish you cons would stop conning people by your extreme exaggerations.)

As for the health insurance plan (which is the ONLY health "plan" on the table), anyone can keep their existing insurance if that works best for them. Congressional perks aren't under scrutiny. To make any changes would require the very same congressmen to get it done. Surprise surprise, ain't gonna happen.

 

[MaggieMae]

nobody claimed 3 million people did it,, the video is what it is,, significant low life behavior,, and they are not Republicans..

No lowlifes in the Conservative Party. Oh, I get it now.
Heh heh heh.

do you see any?

Yeah, like the poster who finds it necessary to call herself "European American." As opposed to.....?? Gee, who knew? I sure can't tell by her "messages."

 

[DiamondDave]

As for the health insurance plan (which is the ONLY health "plan" on the table), anyone can keep their existing insurance if that works best for them.

Yet thru their taxation they would continue to pay for the benefits of others...


ehhhhhhhh.. wrong answer... that is a no-go

 

[Coyote]

nobody claimed 3 million people did it,, the video is what it is,, significant low life behavior,, and they are not Republicans..

No lowlifes in the Conservative Party. Oh, I get it now.
Heh heh heh.

do you see any?

You mean like the Republicans that shouted "terrorist" and "kill him" (in reference to Obama) at a Palin rally?

Lowlife doesn't seem to be party-specific.

 

[MaggieMae]

And excuse me, but Cheney was asked who the GOP should follow/listen to, Rush or Powell, and he said RUSH.

Republicans follow Rush. PERIOD. End of story. And because just like all other Republicans, he is WRONG in his thinking, you guys ultimately have to say that he is strictly for entertainment purposes.

Oh if that were only true, liar.

PS. Your party is now divided. The Rush/Bushies vs all the people who left your party.

well then its settled, the Republicans all follow Rush's advice.....and the Dems all follow the advice of Nancy Pelosi........

ya deserve each other.....

Whatever gave you that idea? I can't stand her, and I'm hoping this torture briefing she lied about is enough to get her voted off her speaker's seat.

 

[MaggieMae]

Only the far left wingnuts think that Rush is the republican leader. You just keep showing yourself as a partisan hack bobo. You and Old Rocks are 2 peas from the same pod.

Up until 2 weeks ago you guys were proud that Rush was your leader.

In fact, you chose him over Michael Steele.

U want 2 deny that now?

Who is your leader?

if you had 2 choose between those two....who the hell would you pick Bobo?.....now you see the dilemma?

Frankly, I'm confused. Every time Michael Steele doesn't follow the con script, he gets yanked to the corner and forced to apologize, while Rush can say anything he wants. C'mon, Michael, when are you going to tell the jerks pulling your strings you don't want to be their prop anymore?

 

[Coyote]

Rush is nothing more then rightwing version of Michael Moore...

Well, now we have it all figured out. All Republicans are blind followers of Rush Limbaugh, and all Democrats are blind followers of Michael Moore. Obviously, to the fanatics on this board, there is no inbetween, and no one is capable of independent thought. What a country we live in.

Only if you have a tendency to take ideological windbags seriously.

 

[MaggieMae]

Anyone following that administration closely (hard to do because it operated on the general principle of secrecy--what the public doesn't know, won't hurt them), figured it out from the beginning that it wy a pardon.

Maggie every one in charge EVERYWHERE does this......including the new guy....i wonder what he is not telling us now?.....

Probably a lot. But then you folks already bitch that Obama is in your faces too much. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

It's a fact written about in hundreds of articles and tomes about the secrecy of the Bush administration. Just as a teaser, Dick Cheney suddenly wants to be front and center, so maybe he'll finally tell the public who his Energy Task Force team members were, and what decisions they made.

 

[DiamondDave]

No lowlifes in the Conservative Party. Oh, I get it now.
Heh heh heh.

do you see any?

You mean like the Republicans that shouted "terrorist" and "kill him" (in reference to Obama) at a Palin rally?

Lowlife doesn't seem to be party-specific.

Debunked by the Secret Service itself....

I would stop listening to winger sites for your information

 

[MaggieMae]

As for the health insurance plan (which is the ONLY health "plan" on the table), anyone can keep their existing insurance if that works best for them.

Yet thru their taxation they would continue to pay for the benefits of others...


ehhhhhhhh.. wrong answer... that is a no-go

Sorry, but the numbers are clear: The fastest rising COST to Americans is not their taxes, but their health care.

 

[AllieBaba]

Rush is nothing more then rightwing version of Michael Moore...

Isn't it funny how SPOT ON all of Michael Moore's movies have been?

Rush's rantings haven't been true or right.

Sicko, Fahrenheit 911, bowling for colombine, Roger & Me.

You are so sad. Michael Moore, the self-admitted liar. I find it interesting you put your faith in thugs and liars.

"Less than 24 hours after accusing the Walt Disney Company of pulling the plug on his latest documentary in a blatant attempt at political censorship, Michael Moore has admitted he knew a year ago that Disney had no intention of distributing it.

Michael Moore admits Disney "ban" was a stunt.
"Almost a year ago, after we'd started making the film, the chairman of Disney, Michael Eisner, told my agent he was upset Miramax had made the film and he will not distribute it." Moore admits Disney 'ban' was a stunt | MetaFilter

Lies about "Bowling for Columbine" he admitted to:

Moore admits to altering "Bowling for Columbine" DVD (9/23)
By Brendan Nyhan

In a new column on his website titled "How to Deal with the Lies and the Lying Liars When They Lie about 'Bowling for Columbine,'" filmmaker Michael Moore has admitted to altering a caption he inserted over a 1988 Bush-Quayle commercial in the film.

Moore lashes back at critics of the Academy Award-winning documentary in his column, denouncing "character assassination" and "make-believe stories." After blasting his critics, however, he finally concedes that he inserted a caption over a Bush-Quayle campaign commercial that did not appear in the original ad, which we documented when the movie was originally released. Moore then corrected a factual error in the caption in the DVD and VHS versions of the film. Moore writes:

Actually, I have found one typo in the theatrical release of the film. It was a caption that read, "Willie Horton released by Dukakis and kills again." In fact, Willie Horton was a convicted murderer who, after escaping from furlough, raped a woman and stabbed her fiancé, but didn't kill him. The caption has been permanently corrected on the DVD and home video version of the film and replaced with, "Willie Horton released. Then rapes a woman." My apologies to Willie Horton and the Horton family for implying he is a double-murderer when he is only a single-murderer/rapist. And my apologies to the late Lee Atwater who, on his deathbed, apologized for having engineered the smear campaign against Dukakis (but correctly identified Mr. Horton as a single-murderer!).
Moore does not, however, explain that he inserted this caption over the ad - which made no mention of Horton - in order to manufacture a direct link in the audience's mind with the Bush campaign (Bush discussed Horton extensively on the campaign trail but the famous ad mentioning him was run by a third-party group linked to Bush media advisor Roger Ailes).

The filmmaker also defends himself unconvincingly against several other charges in the column. He claims, for example, that the use of Lockheed Martin rockets as launch vehicles for Pentagon satellites justifies this statement to a spokesman in the film ....

Update 9/29 9:21 AM: Many readers have noted that this post does not address Moore's claim that the scene in which he picks up a gun at a bank was not staged. The reason we did not address it because he adds little new information to previous assertions. Forbes originally reported that the transaction was staged, which we confirmed with a bank employee when we first wrote about the magazine's findings, and that conclusion has been buttressed by independent reporting by Anthony Zoubek of the Daily Vidette at Illinois State and John Fund of the Wall Street Journal, both of whom interviewed bank employees.
Spinsanity - Countering rhetoric with reason

[Moore's evidence for Halliburton claim starts here]

Excerpt from Halliburton Press release:

"Halliburton Energy Services has been providing a variety of services in Turkmenistan for the past five years."
--Press Release, "Halliburton Alliance Awarded Integrated Service Contract Offshore Caspian Sea In Turkmenistan," October 27, 1997. http://www.halliburton.com/news/archive/
1997/hesnws_102797.jsp;

Excerpt from Unocal Press release:

"ASHGABAT, Turkmenistan, Oct. 27, 1997 - Six international companies and the Government of Turkmenistan formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas) in formal signing ceremonies here Saturday."
--Press Release, "Consortium Formed to Build Central Asia Gas Pipeline," October 27, 1997. [1] [My emphasis]

[Moore's evidence for Halliburton claim ends here]

Moore's point in posting these excerpts is to show that Unocal and Halliburton did indeed get Turkmenistan oil deals the same day. So case closed. Right?

Not quite. There are a few things wrong with this supposed evidence.

First, notice that the Unocal and Halliburton press releases are dated Oct. 27, 1997. But in 'Fahrenheit 9/11' Moore attempts to persuade viewers that Bush arranged for the Taliban to visit Unocal in Texas in order to *get the Taliban to sign* an oil pipeline deal that would help Enron and Halliburton, Bush's supposed commercial allies. The Taliban visited Unocal on December 6, 1997. If the Taliban had already signed with Unocal on October 27 - that is, 40 days earlier - what was the point of the trip?

Second, notice that Moore does *not* provide the link to the Unocal press release. That made me curious, so I tracked it down. [2]

After reading it, I can see why Moore didn't post the link. The Unocal press release contradicts Moore in the following ways:

* A) It does not announce that Unocal has signed a pipeline deal with the Taliban. Rather it announces that Unocal and other parties have formed a consortium (i.e., a business group) to pursue the signing of a pipeline deal. Thus the press release refers to "the proposed pipeline." Note the word "proposed."

* B) The press release includes a list of the consortium's members:

"The CentGas consortium will initially include the following companies, either directly or through affiliates: Unocal Corporation, 46.5 percent; Delta Oil Company Limited (Saudi Arabia), 15 percent; the Government of Turkmenistan, 7 percent; Indonesia Petroleum, LTD. (INPEX) (Japan), 6.5 percent; ITOCHU Oil Exploration Co., Ltd. (CIECO) (Japan), 6.5 percent; Hyundai Engineering & Construction Co., Ltd. (Korea), 5 percent; and the Crescent Group (Pakistan), 3.5 percent. RAO Gazprom (Russia) has indicated an interest in signing the consortium agreements formalizing a 10 percent share in the project in the near future."
- Unocal press release, October 27, 1997 [2]

Notably missing from the list: Halliburton and the Taliban!
Part 2 - Moore's own 'Defense' Shows he's Lying

 

[WillowTree]

No lowlifes in the Conservative Party. Oh, I get it now.
Heh heh heh.

do you see any?

Yeah, like the poster who finds it necessary to call herself "European American." As opposed to.....?? Gee, who knew? I sure can't tell by her "messages."

so it's low life to be a European American?

 

[AllieBaba]

What on earth is a European American?

It's like being a Dutch Frenchman? Or an English Spaniard?

 

[KittenKoder]

I'm a European American ... *sagenod*