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LilOlLady's Everlasting Gobstopper Illegal Immigration Thread
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MEXICAN DRUG CARTEL VIOLENCE
Mexican drug cartel violence has spilled over into this country and border patrol agents are not trained to meet the violence. Obama need to p ut the military force on the border because the violence has to be stopped.
12 National Guard on the border is a joke. A joke on the American people. We need that many in my front yard. Drug cartels are operating inland and 6,000 ICE agents cannot deal with them and illegal aliens too. They need to be increased. Obama says he cannot secure the border? Yes he can if he wanted to and if he cant do it then he need to get our of the way and let someone who can secure it do it.
If we are expected to win the war in Afghanistan, we have to win the war on the border against drug cartels and illegal immigration. Who is benefiting from drugs and illegal aliens? Obama and Calderone. Obama get votes and Calderone gets money sent back home by illegals and drug money from here goes back to Mexico and spent there.
Governor Jan Brewer was not far off when she said illegal aliens are being used as mules. Drugs cartels are using illegal aliens to carry their drugs across the border in exchange for payment of smuggling them across. They are entering by the hundred, carrying back packs full of drugs. They are even using children.
It is too costly to enforce our immigration laws and to deport them. How do Obama put a price of the lives of Americans who are affected by drugs and illegal aliens.
Mexican drug cartel violence has spilled over into this country and border patrol agents are not trained to meet the violence. Obama need to p ut the military force on the border because the violence has to be stopped.
12 National Guard on the border is a joke. A joke on the American people. We need that many in my front yard. Drug cartels are operating inland and 6,000 ICE agents cannot deal with them and illegal aliens too. They need to be increased. Obama says he cannot secure the border? Yes he can if he wanted to and if he cant do it then he need to get our of the way and let someone who can secure it do it.
If we are expected to win the war in Afghanistan, we have to win the war on the border against drug cartels and illegal immigration. Who is benefiting from drugs and illegal aliens? Obama and Calderone. Obama get votes and Calderone gets money sent back home by illegals and drug money from here goes back to Mexico and spent there.
Governor Jan Brewer was not far off when she said illegal aliens are being used as mules. Drugs cartels are using illegal aliens to carry their drugs across the border in exchange for payment of smuggling them across. They are entering by the hundred, carrying back packs full of drugs. They are even using children.
It is too costly to enforce our immigration laws and to deport them. How do Obama put a price of the lives of Americans who are affected by drugs and illegal aliens.
José;2478411 said:And the same goes for most US citizens like you, Ollie.
Most Americans like you feel free to oppose illegal immigration and call them "criminals" not because you have a "healthy respect for laws" but because you happened to drop from a vagina on the "right" side of the border.
How long has it been since you were called a fucking idiot? My guess is, not very.
Yes, contrary to what you want to be true , most Americans do have a respect for the Law. And yes, I called you a fucking idiot.
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Laws help to create order in society. If we don't have some basic plan in place to allow us to leave home and work without fear of losing everything back home while we are gone, you can't leave home. Division of labor, opportunity costs of materials, ethics, threat of punishment and many other things allow us to have the lives we do.
If you are intent on breaking down society or the economic system of the US, then illegal immigration is an excellent way to accomplish that. It is also why it needs to be illegal.
Your argument fails, because it assumes I would choose to enter the US illegally. It also seems to assume Mexicans have that as the only alternative as well. The penalties are not strong enough. Shoot illegals crossing and fine employers at much higher levels.
If you are intent on breaking down society or the economic system of the US, then illegal immigration is an excellent way to accomplish that. It is also why it needs to be illegal.
Your argument fails, because it assumes I would choose to enter the US illegally. It also seems to assume Mexicans have that as the only alternative as well. The penalties are not strong enough. Shoot illegals crossing and fine employers at much higher levels.
English, Irish, German, Scot, Welsh and Native American by blood here. 100% American at heart.
Speaking specifically of Hispanic Illegal Immigrants. Why does it seem like so many of them do not actually want to be Americans? They want to work here and send money home, Not learn the language, and not assimilate at all into our society. Not all of them by any means but it sure seems like more than any other group of immigrants. Maybe it is just because there are so many more of them than any other group. It just seems like when our ancestors came here, they came here to be Americans, Not to be Mexicans living in America and supporting Mexico.
Just saying.
After paying rent, feeding yourself, purchasing auto insurance, clothing yourself and the dozens of other expenses you spend $ on, what do you do with your $?
Burn it?
Giving your $ to your family is what most responsible adults do. The US government could learn a valuable lesson from the resoursefullness of these Hispanic folks.
They are more disciplined a people than we are.
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BORDER SECURITY IS NOT ENOUGH
Border security is not enough or there would not be 20 million illegal aliens in this country and more entering daily and 5 million anchor babies. Drugs are crossing the border daily with illegal aliens. The problem begins after illegal aliens and drug cross the border. The problem is inland in the cities across the country and Arizona should be declared a state of emergency and feds should be there by the thousands.
Enforcing our immigration laws. Border security without enforcement means nothing. Just more of the same and the American people know that. Immigration Reform should mean nothing less than immigration enforcement and border security.I cannot wait until November. I am going to close my eyes and cast my votes straight against the Obama establishment.
For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be a DEMOCRATE.
Border security is not enough or there would not be 20 million illegal aliens in this country and more entering daily and 5 million anchor babies. Drugs are crossing the border daily with illegal aliens. The problem begins after illegal aliens and drug cross the border. The problem is inland in the cities across the country and Arizona should be declared a state of emergency and feds should be there by the thousands.
Enforcing our immigration laws. Border security without enforcement means nothing. Just more of the same and the American people know that. Immigration Reform should mean nothing less than immigration enforcement and border security.I cannot wait until November. I am going to close my eyes and cast my votes straight against the Obama establishment.
For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be a DEMOCRATE.
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DEPUTIES AUTHORIZED
TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding
Immigration enforcement yields new revenue during tight times.
By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post
Maketa has started leasing space in his jail to house an average of 150 immigrants a night for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He also sent 17 jail deputies for training in immigration procedures so they can initiate deportations without waiting for federal agents.
"I feel like we're truly contributing to (solving) a national problem," said Maketa, one of 67 law enforcement agency chiefs nationwide who have had deputies authorized to enforce federal immigration laws.
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding - The Denver Post
TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding
Immigration enforcement yields new revenue during tight times.
By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post
Maketa has started leasing space in his jail to house an average of 150 immigrants a night for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He also sent 17 jail deputies for training in immigration procedures so they can initiate deportations without waiting for federal agents.
"I feel like we're truly contributing to (solving) a national problem," said Maketa, one of 67 law enforcement agency chiefs nationwide who have had deputies authorized to enforce federal immigration laws.
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding - The Denver Post
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EFFECTIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform
March 29th, 2010- by Julie Myers Wood
Second, any reform effort must clearly support and fund our enforcement agencies to ensure full compliance of our immigration laws going forward. For the last several decades, immigration agencies have been woefully understaffed, given their significant mission. ICE has only 6,000 agents, for example, far less than several city police departments, but the agency has a nationwide mission to combat immigration and customs violations. To compound the staffing challenges, if new legislation provides additional opportunities for adjustment, there will be significant attempts to fraudulently adjust. Congress must consider the necessary enforcement footprint that will be required following reform to avoid the failures of the past.
The activity this past week shows that there is potential to make progress on reform. However, as a former enforcement chief and veteran of the last debate, I can say with certainty that failure to acknowledge and address the incomplete enforcement efforts of previous legislation will do little to truly reform our laws.
Read more:
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform | Security Debrief - a blog of homeland security news and analysis
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform
March 29th, 2010- by Julie Myers Wood
Second, any reform effort must clearly support and fund our enforcement agencies to ensure full compliance of our immigration laws going forward. For the last several decades, immigration agencies have been woefully understaffed, given their significant mission. ICE has only 6,000 agents, for example, far less than several city police departments, but the agency has a nationwide mission to combat immigration and customs violations. To compound the staffing challenges, if new legislation provides additional opportunities for adjustment, there will be significant attempts to fraudulently adjust. Congress must consider the necessary enforcement footprint that will be required following reform to avoid the failures of the past.
The activity this past week shows that there is potential to make progress on reform. However, as a former enforcement chief and veteran of the last debate, I can say with certainty that failure to acknowledge and address the incomplete enforcement efforts of previous legislation will do little to truly reform our laws.
Read more:
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform | Security Debrief - a blog of homeland security news and analysis
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I wonder how many ICE agents are in Arizona. 50 years ago, I watch my neighbor shoot up on herion and watch drugs come in from Mexico carried by wetbacks and destroy the town. Eloy, Arizona in Pinal County has been on the news lately. Eloy have drug addicts that are 70 years old or older.
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Bullfighter
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I wonder how many ICE agents are in Arizona. 50 years ago, I watch my neighbor shoot up on herion and watch drugs come in from Mexico carried by wetbacks and destroy the town. Eloy, Arizona in Pinal County has been on the news lately. Eloy have drug addicts that are 70 years old or older.
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"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil,
but because of those who look on and do nothing.
How about all those American towns of literary fame like John Steinbeck's Salinas, California. It has been turned into a Mexican gang banger cesspool.
Gunny
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DEPUTIES AUTHORIZED
TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding
Immigration enforcement yields new revenue during tight times.
By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post
Maketa has started leasing space in his jail to house an average of 150 immigrants a night for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He also sent 17 jail deputies for training in immigration procedures so they can initiate deportations without waiting for federal agents.
"I feel like we're truly contributing to (solving) a national problem," said Maketa, one of 67 law enforcement agency chiefs nationwide who have had deputies authorized to enforce federal immigration laws.
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding - The Denver Post
Good. Illegal immigrants are criminal by the very nature of being illegal immigrants.
Gunny
Gold Member
EFFECTIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform
March 29th, 2010- by Julie Myers Wood
Second, any reform effort must clearly support and fund our enforcement agencies to ensure full compliance of our immigration laws going forward. For the last several decades, immigration agencies have been woefully understaffed, given their significant mission. ICE has only 6,000 agents, for example, far less than several city police departments, but the agency has a nationwide mission to combat immigration and customs violations. To compound the staffing challenges, if new legislation provides additional opportunities for adjustment, there will be significant attempts to fraudulently adjust. Congress must consider the necessary enforcement footprint that will be required following reform to avoid the failures of the past.
The activity this past week shows that there is potential to make progress on reform. However, as a former enforcement chief and veteran of the last debate, I can say with certainty that failure to acknowledge and address the incomplete enforcement efforts of previous legislation will do little to truly reform our laws.
Read more:
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform | Security Debrief - a blog of homeland security news and analysis
We don't need reform. We need enforcement of standing laws.
Terral
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Hi Lady:
No Lady!!! You appear to be falling into the Open Border Lobby Trap by saying we need "Effective Immigration Reform." NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! The simple solution from the very beginning has been to force the Bush/Obama Administrations into ENFORCING our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!!!! The USA has been through ALL of this Immigration Reform already, which gave us the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Wiki).
The USA already gave up to 3 Million Illegal Aliens "Amnesty" under the strict condition that we ... NEVER ... DO ... THIS ... AGAIN!!!! The U.S. Government promised to ENFORCE OUR LAWS and to go after anyone 'hiring' the Illegal Aliens and anyone 'harboring' Illegal Aliens and anyone 'aiding and abetting' Illegal Aliens and anyone 'renting' to Illegal Aliens. However, we have literally thousands of Illegal Aliens using the same Social Security Number and nobody in so-called "Law Enforcement"
cuckoo can find them.
NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Both Houses of Congress and the out-of-control Obama Fascist Regime cannot be trusted to ENFORCE our current Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws, which means they have NO Credibility (ZERO) to create a new set of laws that nobody is going to enforce! Again, we gave up to 3 MILLION Illegal Aliens 'Amnesty' in 1986 and NOBODY is enforcing those laws!!!! The USA created a Department of Homeland Insecurity 'and' all of those bureaucrats simply look the other way and refuse to ENFORCE our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!
This is all NONSENSE and utter STUPIDITY for anyone to believe this Open Border Lobby Disinformation Propaganda!! Arizona wants to ENFORCE Federal Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws, but Obama and his Fascists are bringing lawsuits against States simply trying to protect their citizens from Illegal Alien Foreign Nationals that are running around loose EVERYWHERE. The biggest 'employer' of Illegal Aliens is the Federal Government that chooses to pick around American Citizens for cheap illegal labor!!! There is no such thing as 'Effective Immigration Reform' when nobody is willing to ENFORCE laws already on the books! Period!
No sir. This is more Open Border Lobby "Trust The Govt" Propaganda, when our corrupt bought-and-paid-for politicians have NO intention of enforcing current laws and NO intention of enforcing any new laws, after handing out Illegal Amnesty to 20 to 30 Million goddamned Illegal Aliens as a reward for stealing American identities and JOBS. Enforcing our laws begins AT ... THE ... WORKPLACE and that enforcement begins NOW according to our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!
This is utter NONSENSE!!!!! The "Legislation" (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986) is just fine, but nobody is ENFORCING the provisions of that Law!!! Enforcement is the job of the Obama Administration that will continue looking the other way no matter what anyone says! Both Houses of Congress are supposed to be providing Congressional Oversight that forces the Obama Administration into enforcing those Laws, but everyone is looking the other way! Handing out Illegal Amnesty to 3 Million Illegal Aliens in 1986 gave us 20 to 30 Million Illegal Aliens!! Do the math!
Handing out Illegal Amnesty to those 'hiring' the goddamned Illegal Aliens will give us 100,000 Illegal Aliens 'and' everyone will continue looking the other way ...
GL,
Terral
EFFECTIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
Admitting past mistakes key to effective immigration reform
March 29th, 2010- by Julie Myers Wood
No Lady!!! You appear to be falling into the Open Border Lobby Trap by saying we need "Effective Immigration Reform." NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! The simple solution from the very beginning has been to force the Bush/Obama Administrations into ENFORCING our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!!!! The USA has been through ALL of this Immigration Reform already, which gave us the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 (Wiki).
The USA already gave up to 3 Million Illegal Aliens "Amnesty" under the strict condition that we ... NEVER ... DO ... THIS ... AGAIN!!!! The U.S. Government promised to ENFORCE OUR LAWS and to go after anyone 'hiring' the Illegal Aliens and anyone 'harboring' Illegal Aliens and anyone 'aiding and abetting' Illegal Aliens and anyone 'renting' to Illegal Aliens. However, we have literally thousands of Illegal Aliens using the same Social Security Number and nobody in so-called "Law Enforcement"
cuckoo can find them.Second, any reform effort must clearly support and fund our enforcement agencies to ensure full compliance of our immigration laws going forward.
NOOOOOOOO!!!!! Both Houses of Congress and the out-of-control Obama Fascist Regime cannot be trusted to ENFORCE our current Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws, which means they have NO Credibility (ZERO) to create a new set of laws that nobody is going to enforce! Again, we gave up to 3 MILLION Illegal Aliens 'Amnesty' in 1986 and NOBODY is enforcing those laws!!!! The USA created a Department of Homeland Insecurity 'and' all of those bureaucrats simply look the other way and refuse to ENFORCE our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!
For the last several decades, immigration agencies have been woefully understaffed, given their significant mission. ICE has only 6,000 agents, for example, far less than several city police departments, but the agency has a nationwide mission to combat immigration and customs violations.
This is all NONSENSE and utter STUPIDITY for anyone to believe this Open Border Lobby Disinformation Propaganda!! Arizona wants to ENFORCE Federal Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws, but Obama and his Fascists are bringing lawsuits against States simply trying to protect their citizens from Illegal Alien Foreign Nationals that are running around loose EVERYWHERE. The biggest 'employer' of Illegal Aliens is the Federal Government that chooses to pick around American Citizens for cheap illegal labor!!! There is no such thing as 'Effective Immigration Reform' when nobody is willing to ENFORCE laws already on the books! Period!
To compound the staffing challenges, if new legislation provides additional opportunities for adjustment, there will be significant attempts to fraudulently adjust. Congress must consider the necessary enforcement footprint that will be required following reform to avoid the failures of the past.
No sir. This is more Open Border Lobby "Trust The Govt" Propaganda, when our corrupt bought-and-paid-for politicians have NO intention of enforcing current laws and NO intention of enforcing any new laws, after handing out Illegal Amnesty to 20 to 30 Million goddamned Illegal Aliens as a reward for stealing American identities and JOBS. Enforcing our laws begins AT ... THE ... WORKPLACE and that enforcement begins NOW according to our perfectly good Immigration, Employment and Document Fraud Laws already on the books!
The activity this past week shows that there is potential to make progress on reform. However, as a former enforcement chief and veteran of the last debate, I can say with certainty that failure to acknowledge and address the incomplete enforcement efforts of previous legislation will do little to truly reform our laws.
This is utter NONSENSE!!!!! The "Legislation" (Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986) is just fine, but nobody is ENFORCING the provisions of that Law!!! Enforcement is the job of the Obama Administration that will continue looking the other way no matter what anyone says! Both Houses of Congress are supposed to be providing Congressional Oversight that forces the Obama Administration into enforcing those Laws, but everyone is looking the other way! Handing out Illegal Amnesty to 3 Million Illegal Aliens in 1986 gave us 20 to 30 Million Illegal Aliens!! Do the math!
Handing out Illegal Amnesty to those 'hiring' the goddamned Illegal Aliens will give us 100,000 Illegal Aliens 'and' everyone will continue looking the other way ...
GL,
Terral
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SB1070 DO NOT TARGET OR PROFILE
SB1070 do not target or profile Hispanics looking and Spanish speaking people who may be legal. If you are an immigrant with a green card or a drivers license and you are stopped on a traffic violations show them and be on your way. Now if you are here illegally and is stopped on a traffic violation and do not have a green card or a drivers license that is reasonable suspicion to ask you citizenship status in the country and your ass is up the creek and on the next bus.
If you are an illegal alien, Hispanic looking and speak Spanish and do not drive or caught committing a crime you ass is safe from SB1070.
SB1070 do not require legal immigrants to carry a briefcase full of papers to show they are legal. Legal immigrants can get a drivers license. Legal immigrants can carry a green card.
Allegations by illegal immigrant supporters and Obama that you will be stopped going to the ice cream parlor with your anchor babies is a lie and fear mongering and a weak as water excuse for not enforcing our immigration laws.
With only 6,000 ICE agents nationwide, they need all the help they can get from state and local officials. It is anti-American to sue the very people ICE and our government fail to protect from illegal immigration. Obama is more concern about protecting citizens of other countries than American citizens.
Those who oppose SB1070 oppose immigration enforcement.
Immigration Reform mean only one thing to Obamanites and that is votes.
SB1070 do not target or profile Hispanics looking and Spanish speaking people who may be legal. If you are an immigrant with a green card or a drivers license and you are stopped on a traffic violations show them and be on your way. Now if you are here illegally and is stopped on a traffic violation and do not have a green card or a drivers license that is reasonable suspicion to ask you citizenship status in the country and your ass is up the creek and on the next bus.
If you are an illegal alien, Hispanic looking and speak Spanish and do not drive or caught committing a crime you ass is safe from SB1070.
SB1070 do not require legal immigrants to carry a briefcase full of papers to show they are legal. Legal immigrants can get a drivers license. Legal immigrants can carry a green card.
Allegations by illegal immigrant supporters and Obama that you will be stopped going to the ice cream parlor with your anchor babies is a lie and fear mongering and a weak as water excuse for not enforcing our immigration laws.
With only 6,000 ICE agents nationwide, they need all the help they can get from state and local officials. It is anti-American to sue the very people ICE and our government fail to protect from illegal immigration. Obama is more concern about protecting citizens of other countries than American citizens.
Those who oppose SB1070 oppose immigration enforcement.
Immigration Reform mean only one thing to Obamanites and that is votes.
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6,000 ICE agent cannot enforce our immigration laws. Immigration reform should be more ICE agents and more border agents to get their jobs done. The real problem start when those get past border agent and go into our cities.
Charles_Main
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When Liberals say Immigration reform what they mean is. We have to let way more people come here legally, whether we can support them, or need them or not. There answer to the problem of so many people wanting to come here from Mexico, is simply to let them come legally, and give citizenship to the ones already here.
The problem is we can not support taking in as many as they want. We are letting 1 Million people from Mexico and central America come here legally every year as it is, and we import 800 guest workers each year as well. The problem is of course that 10 Million plus Americans are looking for work they can not find. We can not support the whole world. When times are good and we can support taking in more we should, but when times are tough, we should not have to agree to take in even more in order to get our President, Who is suppose to protect us, to even talk about beefing up Border Security.
The Fact the Obama is holding the Border Hostage and demanding Comprehensive reform before acting on the border. Is despicable, Low even for a left winger.
The problem is we can not support taking in as many as they want. We are letting 1 Million people from Mexico and central America come here legally every year as it is, and we import 800 guest workers each year as well. The problem is of course that 10 Million plus Americans are looking for work they can not find. We can not support the whole world. When times are good and we can support taking in more we should, but when times are tough, we should not have to agree to take in even more in order to get our President, Who is suppose to protect us, to even talk about beefing up Border Security.
The Fact the Obama is holding the Border Hostage and demanding Comprehensive reform before acting on the border. Is despicable, Low even for a left winger.
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DEPUTIES AUTHORIZED
TO ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding
Immigration enforcement yields new revenue during tight times.
By Bruce Finley
The Denver Post
Maketa has started leasing space in his jail to house an average of 150 immigrants a night for federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. He also sent 17 jail deputies for training in immigration procedures so they can initiate deportations without waiting for federal agents.
"I feel like we're truly contributing to (solving) a national problem," said Maketa, one of 67 law enforcement agency chiefs nationwide who have had deputies authorized to enforce federal immigration laws.
El Paso jail locks in feds' funding - The Denver Post
Good. Illegal immigrants are criminal by the very nature of being illegal immigrants.
Not according to Ravi
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