Lilith or Eve? Female equality or not?

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    Lilith or Eve? Female equality or not?

    Who was the first woman Lilith or Eve?

    Jews recognize Lilith yet Christians never mention her and assume, thanks to Christianity blaming Eve for the fall, that women must be submissive to men.

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    At present, most political and religious institutions do not give women equality.

    We do give lip service to equality under the law but that seems to be the extent of what males will allow women. In the distant past, male strength was often necessary for the survival of the family. Today, that condition no longer exists.

    Are women meant to be submissive to men forever or will men allow women to be equal to men at some point in time?

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    What does Lillith have to do with equality? She disobeyed God and is condemned. God told her to go back and settled things with Adam. She should have gone back and kicked his ass instead of being a whiney bitch about who was on top during sex.

    As for Christianity, Christ himself set a good example of how a woman should be treated and that's what men should be looking at when it comes to how they approach a woman. These following scriptures are about wives but most men will treat a woman not in their family about as well as they treat their own wives or mothers.

    Exodus 20:12
    Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.


    Ecclesiastes 9:9
    Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

    Ephesians 5:22-33
    22Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

    23For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

    24Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

    27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

    28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

    29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

    30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

    31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

    32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

    33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

    John 8
    1Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.

    2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.

    3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,

    4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.

    5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?

    6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

    7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

    8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

    9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

    10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

    11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
     
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    Lillith is fiction, Eve was the first woman.
     
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    Men died much younger, often due to violent causes. Males were needed to support the families.
     
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    I'll stick with what my sister once told me - "women are fucked up".
     
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    "Christianity blamming Eve for the fall"?
    Are you saying Jews didn't believe in the story right there in Genesis about the Tree of Knowledge and Eve giving the fruit to Adam?

    Nice bit of nonesense you got going there.

    As for Lilith, it could be possible the story of her was omitted from Genesis. But its not as if Christians edited out the story Lilith, if it was it was done by Moses.
     
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    He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
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    I think that covers it!
     
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    No such thing as equality. Everyone is different.
     
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    The issue is equality.
    Care to give your view without quoting from your book of myths?

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    DL
     
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    Genesis 1 is myth and 2 is real.

    Check. Makes perfect sense to a ----------

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