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[Redfish]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

 

[TNHarley]

If her insurance is paying less than 1 percent of her shit, why does she have insurance?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If her insurance is paying less than 1 percent of her shit, why does she have insurance?

So she can pay for the less fortunate who actually pay nothing....what a deal!

 

[Redfish]

If her insurance is paying less than 1 percent of her shit, why does she have insurance?

So she can pay for the less fortunate who actually pay nothing....what a deal!

exactly. obozocare was a fix for a problem that did not exist. no one was denied healthcare before ACA, no one was turned away. Yes, if you had no insurance you had to use the ER. BFD, it was free and sometimes getting something free isn't as convenient as paying for it.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

If her insurance is paying less than 1 percent of her shit, why does she have insurance?

So she can pay for the less fortunate who actually pay nothing....what a deal!

exactly. obozocare was a fix for a problem that did not exist. no one was denied healthcare before ACA, no one was turned away. Yes, if you had no insurance you had to use the ER. BFD, it was free and sometimes getting something free isn't as convenient as paying for it.

Just another form of control....nothing more.

 

[Arianrhod]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

 

[TNHarley]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

It isn't far off if you think about it.
I remember back when that there was a published article about how there were only 5 insurance companies posed to make a shitload of money off this. Which would explain the massive amounts of HUMANA commercials and insurance lobbyists involved. Plus, now the government is regulating 20% of the economy. IE healthcare

 

[leftwinger]

Yep, when your deductible goes up to $3K/yr. you can no longer use the insurance you are required to buy unless you have major health issue. Normal working stiff never reach $3K/yr., all out of pocket now. CASH to DR. to get better deal. no insurance paperwork for minor crap. ahhh.........families with kids. wow.

 

[Arianrhod]

Yep, when your deductible goes up to $3K/yr. you can no longer use the insurance you are required to buy unless you have major health issue. Normal working stiff never reach $3K/yr., all out of pocket now. CASH to DR. to get better deal. no insurance paperwork for minor crap. ahhh.........families with kids. wow.

You're describing what was a reality for many working families prior to the PPACA, which is why millions had no insurance at all.

There are people right here in this forum and the Obamacare forum who still don't understand how to choose an insurance plan that works for them. Expand that to the whole country, and you have people taking bad advice from their friends or some blog they found or simply blundering along grabbing a plan without reading the details.

That last bit amazes me. Would you buy a car or a house without reading terms before you sign? But you'll do that with your health? That makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Greenbeard]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Obamacare didn't invent hospitals and doctors making decisions on behalf of patients and sending the bill later.

What does seem to have changed under it is that now people like this woman actually care what things cost (she's quoting actual prices!), what procedures/services are actually necessary, and want "the chance to make an informed decision." That's a big pretty big shift in how consumers view health care and it's kind of a big deal. (And it's one care providers haven't quite caught up to yet.)

Market dynamics and such.

 

[Redfish]

Yep, when your deductible goes up to $3K/yr. you can no longer use the insurance you are required to buy unless you have major health issue. Normal working stiff never reach $3K/yr., all out of pocket now. CASH to DR. to get better deal. no insurance paperwork for minor crap. ahhh.........families with kids. wow.

You're describing what was a reality for many working families prior to the PPACA, which is why millions had no insurance at all.

There are people right here in this forum and the Obamacare forum who still don't understand how to choose an insurance plan that works for them. Expand that to the whole country, and you have people taking bad advice from their friends or some blog they found or simply blundering along grabbing a plan without reading the details.

That last bit amazes me. Would you buy a car or a house without reading terms before you sign? But you'll do that with your health? That makes absolutely no sense.

before ACA people with no insurance received treatment. no one in the USA was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE!

It was a fix for a problem that did not exist and it has made everything worse in the medical field.

 

[Redfish]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

No, its the government running the insurance companies.

 

[Arianrhod]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

No, its the government running the insurance companies.

No, it's not that, either.

 

[Redfish]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

No, its the government running the insurance companies.

No, it's not that, either.

Thats exactly what it is. The govt is dictating what coverages can/must be offered, what premiums can be charged, who gets subsidies, and who gets it "free". Its step one to single payer socialized medicine. If you think thats good, ask a brit or a canadian.

 

[paddymurphy]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Wow. The fact that she was not complaining about her coverage just went right the fuck over your head.Did you read her other article, linked in this one? Do you know why she is on the ACA plan? She explained: "We have both struck out on our own: Two years ago, to become a full-time freelance writer and editor, in my case, and one year ago, to pursue a different and far less lucrative career passion, in his. Though we were afraid of trying to make these new career paths work in New York City and raise a child at the same time, we were bolstered by our faith in each other, the savings we had managed to accumulate over 10 years of frugal living, and the idea that neither of us wanted to wake up at age 45 and wonder why we felt unfulfilled. And, perhaps most importantly, we were bolstered by Obamacare." Before, "My husband was was a corporate lawyer at a Manhattan firm with a view of the Statue of Liberty out of his office window. I worked in development at a half-century-old non-profit. Both of us enjoyed benefit packages that included health insurance." The existence of the ACA allowed this couple to actually go out and work for themselves; to start businesses. So, halfway through her pregnancy she has paid a whopping $1,228.00.

 

[paddymurphy]

If her insurance is paying less than 1 percent of her shit, why does she have insurance?

It is not only paying for 1% of her shit. Do you pay for car insurance? Are you hoping to get in an accident so that you actually get something for all of that money you are paying? People have insurance to pay for things that they do not expect will happen. You have fire insurance in case your house catches on fire. If it does not, do you consider the insurance company to have ripped you off?

 

[paddymurphy]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Obamacare didn't invent hospitals and doctors making decisions on behalf of patients and sending the bill later.

What does seem to have changed under it is that now people like this woman actually care what things cost (she's quoting actual prices!), what procedures/services are actually necessary, and want "the chance to make an informed decision." That's a big pretty big shift in how consumers view health care and it's kind of a big deal. (And it's one care providers haven't quite caught up to yet.)

Market dynamics and such.

It is odd that conservatives complain the most about the fact that people actually have to contribute to the cost of their healthcare. They are being held accountable for the decisions they make. According to conservatives, making people pay for the care they received would allow the market to bring down costs. Now that that is happening because people are expected to contribute more to their care, they complain.

 

[paddymurphy]

actual experience with obozocare is nothing like what they told you it would be.

Halfway Through My Obamacare Pregnancy

Another fool who believes "Obamacare is a government-run insurance company."

No, its the government running the insurance companies.

No, it's not that, either.

Thats exactly what it is. The govt is dictating what coverages can/must be offered, what premiums can be charged, who gets subsidies, and who gets it "free". Its step one to single payer socialized medicine. If you think thats good, ask a brit or a canadian.

You did not read the article. She does not say that any of the care she received is mandated by the ACA. Good thing she didn't say that, because none of the care she described is mandated by the ACA. She was referring to the lack of transperancy from the PRIVATE insurance company through which she has coverage and the PRIVATE hospital and PRIVATE doctors who treat her.

 

[paddymurphy]

Yep, when your deductible goes up to $3K/yr. you can no longer use the insurance you are required to buy unless you have major health issue. Normal working stiff never reach $3K/yr., all out of pocket now. CASH to DR. to get better deal. no insurance paperwork for minor crap. ahhh.........families with kids. wow.

You're describing what was a reality for many working families prior to the PPACA, which is why millions had no insurance at all.

There are people right here in this forum and the Obamacare forum who still don't understand how to choose an insurance plan that works for them. Expand that to the whole country, and you have people taking bad advice from their friends or some blog they found or simply blundering along grabbing a plan without reading the details.

That last bit amazes me. Would you buy a car or a house without reading terms before you sign? But you'll do that with your health? That makes absolutely no sense.

before ACA people with no insurance received treatment. no one in the USA was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE!

It was a fix for a problem that did not exist and it has made everything worse in the medical field.

And who paid for that treatment?

 

[Redfish]

Yep, when your deductible goes up to $3K/yr. you can no longer use the insurance you are required to buy unless you have major health issue. Normal working stiff never reach $3K/yr., all out of pocket now. CASH to DR. to get better deal. no insurance paperwork for minor crap. ahhh.........families with kids. wow.

You're describing what was a reality for many working families prior to the PPACA, which is why millions had no insurance at all.

There are people right here in this forum and the Obamacare forum who still don't understand how to choose an insurance plan that works for them. Expand that to the whole country, and you have people taking bad advice from their friends or some blog they found or simply blundering along grabbing a plan without reading the details.

That last bit amazes me. Would you buy a car or a house without reading terms before you sign? But you'll do that with your health? That makes absolutely no sense.

before ACA people with no insurance received treatment. no one in the USA was denied medical care before ACA. NO ONE!

It was a fix for a problem that did not exist and it has made everything worse in the medical field.

And who paid for that treatment?

the people who paid for insurance, just like now. Only difference is that the ones paying are paying more.