Like 1937 all over again

[bripat9643]

God Like? Hardly. He saddled us with Half the Problems we fact today, and Many Experts believe his Policies actually prolonged the Depression.

However he still rates as a great President for his Abilities as a war Time Leader. IMO.

Being the ruler of the largest economy in the world doesn't make you a great wartime leader.

 

[bripat9643]

Any president- even Carter - would have won WW2 with Americas industrial might, manpower, and anger...............................

No, FDR was an incredibly skilled diplomat, he knew what he was doing.

Oh Puhleaze. Stalin rolled him like the three card Monty guy at the carnival rolls his customers.

 

[bripat9643]

What exactly did he do wrong in the handling of the war? Not to attack your message, I'm simply curious as to what brought you to this opinion.

For one: he handed over half of Europe to Stalin.

 

[editec]

As it regards FDR?

We won that war AND that peace.

Haven't really done as well since.

 

[JoeB131]

WW2 bailed out FDR. The New Deal was an abysmal failure.

He HID his polio from the American public for 16 years -he was BLIND to the Japanese threat to Hawaii, hn put innocent American citizens in concentration camps without due process (can we say Nazi?) and stacked the US Supreme Court.

Was there smoke coming out of the Captital Bldg after the popes death??????????

Why was his polio anyone's business but his own?

The New Deal did work in the regard that it reduced unemployment. Then he imposed austerity programs in 1937, causing a second recession.

As for the "Japanese Threat", the fact was, military thinking was that the aircraft carrier was less important than the battleship. The idea that they could travel halfway across the pacific was sort of novel.

Yes, his internment of Japanese Americans was wrong. But the Supreme Court upheld the action in three decisions. We all go along with a lot of bad ideas if we are scared enough.

 

[ginscpy]

His polio was the American peoples business.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

FDR was Assistant Secretary of The Navy during WWI. FDR actually met William F "Bull" Halsey when the Navy supplied a destroyer to ferry him to Campobello. FDR took the helm of Halsey's destroyer to pilot through the waters around his summer home. Halsey was reportedly impressed with Roosevelt's ability at the helm. Roosevelt spent some time in Europe before his political career began in earnest where he developed his profound dislike for the Germans. Did he have eyewitness confirmation of the old saying about Germans "You can always tell a German, but you can't tell them much!"?

Churchill, child of an American mother and an English noble, was Lord of the Admiralty during WWI. Both he and FDR had a lot in common, just based on their common experiences

Obama has never held a job, never had contact with American military, let alone military experience. Roosevelt was eminently prepared to become President of the United States, having been Governor of New York as well. He knew New York politics as well as having seen the poverty and destitution around Warm Springs. The absolute lack of electrification he noticed during his visits to Warm Springs was the driving force behind the development of the TVA. All the media of the time, which was in the tank for him then as well, had to do was only slightly embellish his credentials of being a man of the people and he had the nation eating out of the palm of his hand.

For those of you who haven't read it yet, Amity Shlaes "The Forgotten Man" provides an excellent counterpoint to the Roosevelt mystique as well as being amazingly prescient and predictive of today's economic events.

 

[Truthmatters]

What exactly did he do wrong in the handling of the war? Not to attack your message, I'm simply curious as to what brought you to this opinion.

For one: he handed over half of Europe to Stalin.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO99nL_at0o]It's Good to be the king - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Today's events are simply history repeating itself in earnest.

 

[Truthmatters]

Yes they are and its time for MORE stimulus

 

[bitterlyclingin]

Mr and Mrs Clueless:

Mr. And Mrs. Clueless - Just How Dumb Are They? - We Are Winning Our Great Country Back


Nobody to thank but Frank Marshall Davis for this.

 

[Avatar4321]

Except this time there won't be WW3 to bail out Obama.

Be careful... you might be reaching that conclusion prematurely.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

(What is Obama doing wrong? One well said opinion.)

"The sad unvarnished truth is this: Though we, and our NATO and Afghan allies, face an almost incomprehensibly evil enemy, America’s president offers no agenda for defeating them. His heart simply isn’t in it. So, today, despite the heroism of our fighting men, the war in Afghanistan has disintegrated into little more than a series of needlessly deadly training exercises, conducted in a desolate and faraway land Obama is desperate to leave. Unlike the steel-tempered character of the men ordered to carry out the most perilous missions in Afghanistan, Obama’s constant derogation of American exceptionalism makes plain that America’s warrior class possesses a devotion to duty, honor, and country their commander in chief finds impossible to summon.

To be fair, the president is not entirely to blame for his inadequacy. His limited personal experience prior to his election provided no basis upon which the country could expect him to appreciate the life-and-death seriousness of war. While not disqualifying, Obama never wore our nation’s uniform. In fact, one can barely imagine a man with Obama’s ultra-thin veneer surviving the standard humiliation endured during basic training by every recruit, officer, and enlisted alike. Had he done so, even in a peacetime setting, it would have served him well. Yet, like so much else that speaks to his inexperience, he lacks the most critical experience necessary for a man who now commands American troops simultaneously engaged in three armed conflicts around the world.


It is now evident to the world that Obama’s carefully scripted, teleprompter-delivered 2008 campaign promises regarding the “good war” in Afghanistan were nothing more than political theater. The weakness he has displayed after a scant two and one half years in office — which becomes more pronounced with each passing day — is painful to observe. His robust campaign rhetoric never matched his command decisions since he assumed the office.

In Afghanistan, alone, the examples are legiona) His undeniable dithering on the “troop surge” recommended by America’s combat-hardened generals, David Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal; (b) Obama’s eventual decision to reduce, significantly, the troop levels sought by our nation’s most trusted military advisors; and (c) his inexplicable decision to accompany the smaller-than-requested surge force with his bizarre — many would say militarily irresponsible — decision to publicly announce a date certain for its withdrawal. One is hard-pressed to imagine a more foolish and naïve action than Obama’s decision to telegraph to our enemies his intention to begin recalling troops within a matter of months after the surge had barely been completed.

What also is painfully clear is that making life-and-death decisions based solely on what is in America’s best interests — in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya — plays a de minimis role in this president’s calculus. His decisions to send men into harm’s way — with the one notable but easily distinguishable exception involving the mission to kill Osama bin Laden — have always come across as oddly unserious, almost whimsical. They seem to rest on poll-driven political considerations rather than any deep principle that would justify the continued sacrifice of precious American blood.

Were a different person serving in the role of commander in chief, offering a clear rationale for why we must win this war, such sacrifices — those of the past as well as into the foreseeable future — might well be worth the cost. But not with this man at the helm.

Each of our lost warriors deserves our eternal gratitude, and the loved ones each left behind, our prayers.

As for the commander in chief? He deserves a pink slip."


In memory of thirty warriors

 

[JoeB131]

His polio was the American peoples business.

Really? Do you slap down a copy of your entire medical history when you interview for a job? I don't.

 

[USArmyRetired]

Ah 1937!!!.........no Israel.

 

[Big Fitz]

Except this time there won't be WW3 to bail out Obama.

I think that, however, we can at least agree that FDR was pretty much Godlike compared to Obama, or any modern politician. Even without the War the US was starting to recover properly.

And when the war started? He was a hell of a tough cookie.

Yeah... Godlike. Baal comes to mind.

 

[bripat9643]

His polio was the American peoples business.

Really? Do you slap down a copy of your entire medical history when you interview for a job? I don't.

You do when the job is to be President of the United States.

 

[ladyliberal]

FDR's legacy is far too complex to dissect here. In brief: he was a great President (consistently ranked first, second or third by historians for the past 60 years Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and yes, he did plenty of bad things. I would caution in particular against regarding any of the accomplishments of his presidency as inevitable. This was an era when countries were going communist, fascist, or just plain being conquered. America didn't just weather the Great Depression and win a war, it also made the transition to modernity incredibly smoothly.

Returning to the forum topic, I presume the original poster was referencing the recession of 1937 (Recession of 1937). Here's what happened:

1) After a long period of poor economic times, the economy had recovered somewhat, with unemployment remaining high.

2) The US federal government instituted fiscal and monetary austerity, and

3) The economy reentered recession.

We've already seen the first two events come to pass (deficit reduction = austerity) and intrade.com suggests that a recession in 2012 is fairly likely. The comparison to 1937 seems quite apt.

 

[The Rabbi]

FDR's legacy is far too complex to dissect here. In brief: he was a great President (consistently ranked first, second or third by historians for the past 60 years Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and yes, he did plenty of bad things. I would caution in particular against regarding any of the accomplishments of his presidency as inevitable. This was an era when countries were going communist, fascist, or just plain being conquered. America didn't just weather the Great Depression and win a war, it also made the transition to modernity incredibly smoothly.

Returning to the forum topic, I presume the original poster was referencing the recession of 1937 (Recession of 1937). Here's what happened:

1) After a long period of poor economic times, the economy had recovered somewhat, with unemployment remaining high.

2) The US federal government instituted fiscal and monetary austerity, and

3) The economy reentered recession.

We've already seen the first two events come to pass (deficit reduction = austerity) and intrade.com suggests that a recession in 2012 is fairly likely. The comparison to 1937 seems quite apt.

Yes, failed policies followed by more failed policies. I guess that is an apt comparison then.

 

[Political Junky]

FDR should have let the nation know that he was a cripple

Why?