Libl Hypocrit Watch-GroundZero Mosque = freedom, but cigarrettes and transfat don't??

[blu]

SINCE WHEN are liberals for the freedom of religion????????

They have been fighting to keep it out of schools, out of the public place, out of courts for DECADES, and suddenly when it's a mosque at ground zero they are for it???????

as they should, and the compromise that came is the best result. schools have 'prayer time' now where students can silently pray whatever they want and the teacher isn't allowed to lead the class in a prayer as that would violate the students who aren't of the teacher's religion. why do you want kids who aren't christian to have it forced on them every day?

 

[NYcarbineer]

SINCE WHEN are liberals for the freedom of religion????????

They have been fighting to keep it out of schools, out of the public place, out of courts for DECADES, and suddenly when it's a mosque at ground zero they are for it???????

That says a LOT more about liberals than it does about us.

And it doesn't address how come liberals are only for FREEDOM when it comes to denigrating ground zero!!!!

But you want to fire up a cancer stick ALL of a sudden, they aren't for freedom. Or how about some good old fashioned lard fried doughnuts??????

OH! Can't have that!!!!!!!!!!

Liberals have NEVER BEEN FOR FREEDOM! They are only for sticking their thumbs in the eyes of those who do believe in freedom.

That's why they can say those that died on 9/11 were "little Adolf Eichmans" (remember that one, I sure do).

And we are supposed to believe none of that has to do with wanting a Mosque on ground zero?????????

Yeah right!

When did I say that? I'm liberal. I support the mosque building because it's freedom of religion. I have never in my life opposed the building of a house of worship on private property.

Why am I a hypocrite?

You just called supporting freedom of religion UN-AMERICAN. You revealed your true self.

Well can you explain WHY THEN NY is dragging it's feet on the GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH that was right across the street from ground zero????????

They are still waiting to rebuild. There are dozens of mosques in NY City. How many Greek Orthodox Churches?

And that Church WAS DESTROYED ON 9/11 THE MOSQUE WAS NOT!!!!!!!

Why can't we rebuild the Church that was destroyed on 9/11????????

For some reason all these liberals that are soooooooooooooooooo for "freedom of religion" are silent on this!

Gee, I wonder why!

The non-hypocritical position is to support both churches being built/rebuilt. That is my position.

That is not your position. You support one but not the other.

That by definitions, makes you both a hypocrite and an anti-Muslim BIGOT.

 

[blu]

And cigarettes and transfat are AKIN to that in your mind??????

Freedom is being able to do whatever you want without regard for the well-being of anyone else. Regulations--on carcinogens, transfats, violence, unsafe food or products--are chains on our wrists! Why do you hate freedom?

Then explain WHY it's okay for NY to do that????

Because liberals are all for that stuff.

NY has banned cigarettes. NOOOOOOOOOO cries about freedom from the left.

Has banned transfat. Noooooooooooooo cries of freedom from the left.

cigarettes in public places.... where the smoke affects other people who aren't smoking. freedom only extends as far as the other persons nose as they say. once you cross into my territory by blowing cancer in my face, you are then violating my rights

 

[NYcarbineer]

It is the Supreme Court, not "liberals", that has decided against religion being in certain governmental institutions.

That would be the same Supreme Court that undoubtedly would uphold the rights of those who wish to build this mosque.

 

[blu]

Well can you explain WHY THEN NY is dragging it's feet on the GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH that was right across the street from ground zero????????

They are still waiting to rebuild. There are dozens of mosques in NY City. How many Greek Orthodox Churches?

you are such a sheep of fox news it hurts. the church would have been rebuilt years ago if the people that owned it weren't greedy fucks. they simply used the mosque story to get sympathy and hopefully force the city to do what they want

 

[NYcarbineer]

And cigarettes and transfat are AKIN to that in your mind??????

Freedom is being able to do whatever you want without regard for the well-being of anyone else. Regulations--on carcinogens, transfats, violence, unsafe food or products--are chains on our wrists! Why do you hate freedom?

Then explain WHY it's okay for NY to do that????

Because liberals are all for that stuff.

NY has banned cigarettes. NOOOOOOOOOO cries about freedom from the left.

Has banned transfat. Noooooooooooooo cries of freedom from the left.

BUT YOU OBJECT TO A MOSQUE AT GROUND ZERO AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, the left have a holier than thou hissy fit!

And they are the defenders of freedom???????????????

Did you object when California passed Prop 8?

 

[teapartysamurai]

The point is, liberals are ALL for bans on cigarrettes and transfat.

But when they get a chance to put a mosque on ground zero. A huge statement that the muslims won on 9/11? OH!!!!!!!! They preach to us about freedom????????

FUNNY!!!!!!!!!

So in your mind, the "liberal" position on all things should be "ban it"? Pornography, drugs, foie gras, mosques, synagogues, prostitution, transfats, and so on? All liberals hate freedom so much they reflexively (or should, at last) support banning all of those things? You seem to have a very tenuous grasp on how people who are not you actually think.

Do you notice that when liberals are losing a debate, they claim you have a position (you have never taken) and then expect you to debate from that false premise?

When you have quotes of me being for anything you have claimed let me know.

Until then, I have PLAINLY expressed my position. It is a double standard for liberals to be for banning freedoms on one hand, and then preach about the ground zero mosque from the same position of "freedom."

 

[NYcarbineer]

[They are still waiting to rebuild. There are dozens of mosques in NY City. How many Greek Orthodox Churches?

And that Church WAS DESTROYED ON 9/11 THE MOSQUE WAS NOT!!!!!!!

Why can't we rebuild the Church that was destroyed on 9/11????????

For some reason all these liberals that are soooooooooooooooooo for "freedom of religion" are silent on this!

Gee, I wonder why!

Why aren't you opposed to a Greek Orthodox church near ground zero?

 

[NYcarbineer]

The point is, liberals are ALL for bans on cigarrettes and transfat.

But when they get a chance to put a mosque on ground zero. A huge statement that the muslims won on 9/11? OH!!!!!!!! They preach to us about freedom????????

FUNNY!!!!!!!!!

So in your mind, the "liberal" position on all things should be "ban it"? Pornography, drugs, foie gras, mosques, synagogues, prostitution, transfats, and so on? All liberals hate freedom so much they reflexively (or should, at last) support banning all of those things? You seem to have a very tenuous grasp on how people who are not you actually think.

Do you notice that when liberals are losing a debate, they claim you have a position (you have never taken) and then expect you to debate from that false premise?

When you have quotes of me being for anything you have claimed let me know.

Until then, I have PLAINLY expressed my position. It is a double standard for liberals to be for banning freedoms on one hand, and then preach about the ground zero mosque from the same position of "freedom."

You haven't told us whether you support the freedom to have an abortion, or the freedom of gays to marry.

Why are you picking and choosing your freedoms? I thought you said freedom is freedom.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Cigarettes and trans fats have nothing to do with religious freedom. Your analogy is mentally deranged.

BWAHAHAAAA!

See what I mean???????

Liberals aren't for freedom!!!!!!!! They never have been.

When presented with their own hypocrisy, all they can say is THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!

Freedom is freedom carbiner. If you are soooooooooooooo for freedom, why do you pick and choose your freedoms?????

Why do you oppose a woman's constitutionally protected FREEDOM to choose to have an abortion?

Do you oppose gays having the freedom to marry?

Do you oppose Muslims having the freedom to build a mosque?

Oh man!

You KNOW liberals are losing when they try to turn this into the "20 questions tactic."

That's when they drop the subject and start giving you the "third degree" looking desperately for something to put you on the defensive about.

Never fall for that one!

Just admit you have a double standard on this carbiner!

It's okay to ban trans fat and cigarrettes but a mosque at ground zero?????

OH THAT's about freedom.

You are admitting it's a double standard when you try to change the subject to about me.

 

[teapartysamurai]

You guys ever wonder how come they can ban cigarrettes and transfat in NY and no one complains about a "loss of freedom" but it's "UnAmerican" to object to the Ground Zero Mosque???????

How come we HAVE to HAVE a Ground Zero Mosque to prove we believe in freedom, but we can't let some poor schmo working on the mosque smoke a cigarrette in public, or get transfats in his favorite restaurant?????

Freedom? Or just another example of liberals only care about "freedom" when it serves their UNAmerican agenda???????

ever heard of a Non sequitur ?

Yeah that's akin to a hypocritical liberal saying "yeah but THAT'S DIFFERENT!"

 

[NYcarbineer]

Notice how when teapartysam starts losing a debate, she starts ignoring the posts that have destroyed her argument?

Very funny.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I support the right of the People of any given constituency/government to choose, by the democratic process, how cigarettes are regulated.

There is no constitutional protection for smoking. There is a constitutional protection for practicing one's religion.

Again, the two are incomparable.

But you say you are for FREEDOM!!!!!!!

I bet you are even for "medical marijuana" and that kind of "freedom."

 

[teapartysamurai]

SINCE WHEN are liberals for the freedom of religion????????

They have been fighting to keep it out of schools, out of the public place, out of courts for DECADES, and suddenly when it's a mosque at ground zero they are for it???????

as they should, and the compromise that came is the best result. schools have 'prayer time' now where students can silently pray whatever they want and the teacher isn't allowed to lead the class in a prayer as that would violate the students who aren't of the teacher's religion. why do you want kids who aren't christian to have it forced on them every day?

Why do liberals want a mosque on ground zero forced on us?????

 

[Greenbeard]

Do you notice that when liberals are losing a debate, they claim you have a position (you have never taken) and then expect you to debate from that false premise?

When you have quotes of me being for anything you have claimed let me know.

Here you go:

It is a double standard for liberals to be for banning freedoms on one hand, and then preach about the ground zero mosque from the same position of "freedom."

You believe liberals are for banning freedoms. Since you apparently think it's hypocritical for a liberal to be in support of any freedom (e.g. freedom of religious expression), that implies you believe liberalism is predicated on opposing and banning all freedoms and, in fact, all things.

I'm not sure how you can say you didn't claim that when that's the premise of your thread ('OMG, liberals are hypocrites for supporting a single instance of freedom of expression!').

 

[johnrocks]

So in your mind, the "liberal" position on all things should be "ban it"? Pornography, drugs, foie gras, mosques, synagogues, prostitution, transfats, and so on? All liberals hate freedom so much they reflexively (or should, at last) support banning all of those things? You seem to have a very tenuous grasp on how people who are not you actually think.

Do you notice that when liberals are losing a debate, they claim you have a position (you have never taken) and then expect you to debate from that false premise?

When you have quotes of me being for anything you have claimed let me know.

Until then, I have PLAINLY expressed my position. It is a double standard for liberals to be for banning freedoms on one hand, and then preach about the ground zero mosque from the same position of "freedom."

You haven't told us whether you support the freedom to have an abortion, or the freedom of gays to marry.

Why are you picking and choosing your freedoms? I thought you said freedom is freedom.

Both sides pick and choose freedoms, it amazes me that abortion is the one issue where "freedom of choice" was coined yet that involves another life, the "freedom of choice" took place when the choice was between spreading the knees or not even though that in not a issue I concern myself with , hypocrites are everywhere, I commend them on their selective outrage

 

[blu]

I support the right of the People of any given constituency/government to choose, by the democratic process, how cigarettes are regulated.

There is no constitutional protection for smoking. There is a constitutional protection for practicing one's religion.

Again, the two are incomparable.

But you say you are for FREEDOM!!!!!!!

I bet you are even for "medical marijuana" and that kind of "freedom."

I am for freedom of all. again you have freedom until you tread on my turf. meaning:

1) build the mosque

2) build the greek place (again its the owners fault its not done, not the city)

3) smoke weed but keep it out of my face

4) smoke cigs but do it in private

5) eat trans fat but get private insurance, don't make me pay for your obesity and eventual cancer

as long as you don't tread on my turf by blowing cancer in my face or using my tax money for your health insurance do all of the above

 

[NYcarbineer]

BWAHAHAAAA!

See what I mean???????

Liberals aren't for freedom!!!!!!!! They never have been.

When presented with their own hypocrisy, all they can say is THAT'S DIFFERENT!!!!!!!!

Freedom is freedom carbiner. If you are soooooooooooooo for freedom, why do you pick and choose your freedoms?????

Why do you oppose a woman's constitutionally protected FREEDOM to choose to have an abortion?

Do you oppose gays having the freedom to marry?

Do you oppose Muslims having the freedom to build a mosque?

Oh man!

You KNOW liberals are losing when they try to turn this into the "20 questions tactic."

That's when they drop the subject and start giving you the "third degree" looking desperately for something to put you on the defensive about.

Never fall for that one!

Just admit you have a double standard on this carbiner!

It's okay to ban trans fat and cigarrettes but a mosque at ground zero?????

OH THAT's about freedom.

You are admitting it's a double standard when you try to change the subject to about me.

You're the one claiming a double standard in OTHERS, but don't have the courage or integrity to state your own views?

Did you support prop 8 in California, taking away the FREEDOM of gays to marry?

Do you support rebuilding the Greek Orthodox church, but NOT the building of the mosque?

 

[blu]

SINCE WHEN are liberals for the freedom of religion????????

They have been fighting to keep it out of schools, out of the public place, out of courts for DECADES, and suddenly when it's a mosque at ground zero they are for it???????

as they should, and the compromise that came is the best result. schools have 'prayer time' now where students can silently pray whatever they want and the teacher isn't allowed to lead the class in a prayer as that would violate the students who aren't of the teacher's religion. why do you want kids who aren't christian to have it forced on them every day?

Why do liberals want a mosque on ground zero forced on us?????

did the government force it on you? nope a group of private citizens are on private land. they can do as they wish.

your lack of response shows that you have no argument to my post

 

[teapartysamurai]

When did I say that? I'm liberal. I support the mosque building because it's freedom of religion. I have never in my life opposed the building of a house of worship on private property.

Why am I a hypocrite?

You just called supporting freedom of religion UN-AMERICAN. You revealed your true self.

Well can you explain WHY THEN NY is dragging it's feet on the GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH that was right across the street from ground zero????????

They are still waiting to rebuild. There are dozens of mosques in NY City. How many Greek Orthodox Churches?

And that Church WAS DESTROYED ON 9/11 THE MOSQUE WAS NOT!!!!!!!

Why can't we rebuild the Church that was destroyed on 9/11????????

For some reason all these liberals that are soooooooooooooooooo for "freedom of religion" are silent on this!

Gee, I wonder why!

The non-hypocritical position is to support both churches being built/rebuilt. That is my position.

That is not your position. You support one but not the other.

That by definitions, makes you both a hypocrite and an anti-Muslim BIGOT.

My position is find out who's funding the mosque.

My position is build back that which was destroyed on 9/11 FIRST and that INCLUDES THE GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH!

My position is when liberals are all for building a mosque at ground zero and won't examine the funding for this mosque, but WANT TO INVESTIGATE THOSE AGAINST IT, it's not about religious freedom but being anti-American.

You can claim you are for building both back, but I don't see you lending your voice to getting the Greek Orthodox Church built first. They have been trying since 9/11/2001.