Libertarians to the Rescue?

[Si modo]

Based on your slogan laden, logic lacking rift here, I find your "sense" dubious at best.

Well, I was addressing your comment about community across municipal lines and state lines (my bolding that part of your post should have been a clue). So, it's not just the money folks in Dallas have, now is it? As, we are talking about community that extends past municipal and state lines - YOUR words that I bolded.

And how does this additional babbling alter the validity of what I stated one iota, chuckles? Let me dumb it down for you: given the bad weather that has literally terrorized that region of the country in the last year from droughts to tornados to floods, it's seriously in doubt whether the state of Texas, let alone it's neighboring states can muster and sustain for the long term the financial resources necessary to rebuild and support the areas that are (again) afflicted. That's what Fema is for...and that's what an idealogue like Paul is against. But hey, don't take my word for it:

Ron Paul Thinks Hurricane Aid Is Wasteful, Touts Return To 1900 | Crooks and Liars

It would be interesting to see what happens when folk are told, "well, sorry but that's all the charities, the State and your neighbors can do to help...guess you're out in the street and on your own...but on a good note, you'll be destitute knowing that you never got any of that evil federal gov't assistance!"

You really are pretty hysterical. Why so stressed and hysterical that you lose rationality?

Maybe a nice warm toddy would help you. Or may 10 mgs of Valium.

Breathe.

 

[Oddball]

Awww, what's the matter my Odd little man? Did I make such a fool of you that you just stamp your widdle feet and babble nonsense?

You don't have the brains, stones or honesty to answer my previous post point for point...that's the problem with you Libertarian lunkheads...taken to task, your rhetoric just doesn't bear up under scrutiny, and you try to bluff and dodge as you do here.

Like I said, go tell the tornado victims of Dallas, TX folk to REJECT all federal assistance.....and see if they don't kick your sorry ass back to where you came from. Carry on.

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

I'm talking "A", and this Odd little man is talking "- 12".

See folks, insipidly stubborn parrots like Oddball just IGNORE what they don't like and keep repeating their mantras in various forms. Bottom line: the reality that Dallas, TX is going to NEED federal assistance for relief from the tornados just really burns the asses of libertarian lunkheads who know full well that Texas is unable to handle the financial burden alone after a YEAR of disasterous heat waves, droughts, floods and now tornados. So the libertarian lunkheads just go into denial...or create some sort of fantasy land, just like Ron Paul:

Ron Paul Thinks Hurricane Aid Is Wasteful, Touts Return To 1900 | Crooks and Liars

Like I said, I would love to see Oddball go to Dallas and tell someone who lost EVERYTHING that they won't get a dime of federal assistance....from what I hear Texans are a touchy lot when they realized they're getting sandbagged.

Like you can tell anyone what they need.

Does your conceit know any bounds?

 

[rightwinger]

Piss off, boy.

Try having an adult explain to you what distortion, deletion, generalization, non sequitur, post hoc ergo propter hoc, false equivalence and other fallacious "logic" (for lack of a better term) that socialist windbags like you employ.

Awww, what's the matter my Odd little man? Did I make such a fool of you that you just stamp your widdle feet and babble nonsense?

You don't have the brains, stones or honesty to answer my previous post point for point...that's the problem with you Libertarian lunkheads...taken to task, your rhetoric just doesn't bear up under scrutiny, and you try to bluff and dodge as you do here.

Like I said, go tell the tornado victims of Dallas, TX folk to REJECT all federal assistance.....and see if they don't kick your sorry ass back to where you came from. Carry on.

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

Shouldn't Libertarians lead by example and give a demonstration of how successful private charities and local government can be at recovering from a disaster?

 

[Crackerjack]

"Don't take any federal money! Your churches and neighboring cities will help you out!"

That's a gross distortion of his position on the issue, but don't let that get in the way of your guffawing.

Maybe you need to get your head out of Paul's wrinkled ass and stop drinking his Kool-Aid.

Maybe you should read more primary sources and less opinion pieces.

Sorry your troll-bait thread is failing. Better luck next time!

 

[editec]

Extrme libertarians are much like their opposites, MARXISTS, are convinced that human nature can be changed by (in libertarians' case a lack of) legislation and (a lack of) government control.

Note please, libertarians, I said EXTERME libertarian idealogues.

I've known plenty of rational people who identify themselves as libertarians.

 

[Oddball]

Extrme libertarians are much like their opposites, MARXISTS, convinced that human nature can be changed by ligilation and government control.

Note please, libertarians, I said EXTRME libertarians.

I've known plenty of rational people who identify themselves as libertarians.

Extreme libertarians are anarchists....I don't know a single anarchist (and I know quite a few) who is in favor of gubmint social engineering.

 

[Oddball]

Awww, what's the matter my Odd little man? Did I make such a fool of you that you just stamp your widdle feet and babble nonsense?

You don't have the brains, stones or honesty to answer my previous post point for point...that's the problem with you Libertarian lunkheads...taken to task, your rhetoric just doesn't bear up under scrutiny, and you try to bluff and dodge as you do here.

Like I said, go tell the tornado victims of Dallas, TX folk to REJECT all federal assistance.....and see if they don't kick your sorry ass back to where you came from. Carry on.

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

Shouldn't Libertarians lead by example and give a demonstration of how successful private charities and local government can be at recovering from a disaster?

Free people who aren't necessarily libertarians do so all the time....Or did you miss the fact that companies like Wal Mart and Home Depot were much quicker to respond and help the people of Louisiana in the wake of Katrina, than were the feds?

 

[rightwinger]

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

Shouldn't Libertarians lead by example and give a demonstration of how successful private charities and local government can be at recovering from a disaster?

Free people who aren't necessarily libertarians do so all the time....Or did you miss the fact that companies like Wal Mart and Home Depot were much quicker to respond and help the people of Louisiana in the wake of Katrina, than were the feds?

You are missing the point

Dr Paul has stated that the federal government should not be involved at all. So why don't we let Wal Mart and Home Depot clean up after the tornadoes and see how it works out

Let's give Libertarianism a chance for once

 

[Oddball]

I'm missing no point at all.

Why don't the feds and slavish little socialist proles quit pretending that they're the source of all that is righteous and charitable, get the fuck out of the way and let friends and neighbors help one another?

 

[rightwinger]

I'm missing no point at all.

Why don't the feds and slavish little socialist proles quit pretending that they're the source of all that is righteous and charitable, get the fuck out of the way and let friends and neighbors help one another?

I agree...

Let's run a test case in Texas. There are a lot of Libertarians there. Let the federal government sit this one out and have private charities and Wal Mart clean up the mess

If it works, we can expand it to the rest of the country

 

[Oddball]

Then exempt all Texans from all federal taxes....Like that'll happen.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I sure would like to see Ron Paul go to Dallas, TX tomorrow and tell those tornado victims:

"Don't take any federal money! Your churches and neighboring cities will help you out!"

I bet you that'll be the first time in his political career that Paul wished for a better gun control law!

What you don't get about libertarians is that they would already have adequate insurance so as to be able to recoup their losses without burdening anyone else.

I have additional homeowners insurance riders that will put me up in an apartment until my house is rebuilt. I have disability insurance so that if i get hurt I still have 70% of my pay coming in tax free.

And I'll get that money a lot faster than I would any government handout that has to travel between 30 different offices before it gets to me.

So while you're waiting for your government trailer and supply of fake cheese, I'll be set up in an apartment and eating out at a local pub.

 

[rightwinger]

Then exempt all Texans from all federal taxes....Like that'll happen.

Somebody has to be first

If Libertarian ideals really work, this would be a fine opportunity to see if the private sector can handle disasters by themselves

 

[rightwinger]

I sure would like to see Ron Paul go to Dallas, TX tomorrow and tell those tornado victims:

"Don't take any federal money! Your churches and neighboring cities will help you out!"

I bet you that'll be the first time in his political career that Paul wished for a better gun control law!

What you don't get about libertarians is that they would already have adequate insurance so as to be able to recoup their losses without burdening anyone else.

I have additional homeowners insurance riders that will put me up in an apartment until my house is rebuilt. I have disability insurance so that if i get hurt I still have 70% of my pay coming in tax free.

And I'll get that money a lot faster than I would any government handout that has to travel between 30 different offices before it gets to me.

So while you're waiting for your government trailer and supply of fake cheese, I'll be set up in an apartment and eating out at a local pub.

Your insurance covers your house. What about the community as a whole? Damaged infrastructure, schools, hospitals......

 

[Skull Pilot]

I sure would like to see Ron Paul go to Dallas, TX tomorrow and tell those tornado victims:

"Don't take any federal money! Your churches and neighboring cities will help you out!"

I bet you that'll be the first time in his political career that Paul wished for a better gun control law!

What you don't get about libertarians is that they would already have adequate insurance so as to be able to recoup their losses without burdening anyone else.

I have additional homeowners insurance riders that will put me up in an apartment until my house is rebuilt. I have disability insurance so that if i get hurt I still have 70% of my pay coming in tax free.

And I'll get that money a lot faster than I would any government handout that has to travel between 30 different offices before it gets to me.

So while you're waiting for your government trailer and supply of fake cheese, I'll be set up in an apartment and eating out at a local pub.

Your insurance covers your house. What about the community as a whole? Damaged infrastructure, schools, hospitals......

Government property and private property are 2 different things aren't they?

And why can't government property be insured just like my home is?

Besides the OP specifically set out to antagonize individuals who claim to be libertarian and as i stated a true libertarian wouldn't need to take a hand out of federal money.

 

[taichiliberal]

Well, I was addressing your comment about community across municipal lines and state lines (my bolding that part of your post should have been a clue). So, it's not just the money folks in Dallas have, now is it? As, we are talking about community that extends past municipal and state lines - YOUR words that I bolded.

And how does this additional babbling alter the validity of what I stated one iota, chuckles? Let me dumb it down for you: given the bad weather that has literally terrorized that region of the country in the last year from droughts to tornados to floods, it's seriously in doubt whether the state of Texas, let alone it's neighboring states can muster and sustain for the long term the financial resources necessary to rebuild and support the areas that are (again) afflicted. That's what Fema is for...and that's what an idealogue like Paul is against. But hey, don't take my word for it:

Ron Paul Thinks Hurricane Aid Is Wasteful, Touts Return To 1900 | Crooks and Liars

It would be interesting to see what happens when folk are told, "well, sorry but that's all the charities, the State and your neighbors can do to help...guess you're out in the street and on your own...but on a good note, you'll be destitute knowing that you never got any of that evil federal gov't assistance!"

You really are pretty hysterical. Why so stressed and hysterical that you lose rationality?

Maybe a nice warm toddy would help you. Or may 10 mgs of Valium.

Breathe.

Translation: whenever neocon/teabagger/libertarian lunkheads with delusions of intelligence are logically and factually proven wrong, they try these pathetic attempts at bluff and distraction, as Si Modo has done here.

Carry on.

 

[taichiliberal]

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

I'm talking "A", and this Odd little man is talking "- 12".

See folks, insipidly stubborn parrots like Oddball just IGNORE what they don't like and keep repeating their mantras in various forms. Bottom line: the reality that Dallas, TX is going to NEED federal assistance for relief from the tornados just really burns the asses of libertarian lunkheads who know full well that Texas is unable to handle the financial burden alone after a YEAR of disasterous heat waves, droughts, floods and now tornados. So the libertarian lunkheads just go into denial...or create some sort of fantasy land, just like Ron Paul:

Ron Paul Thinks Hurricane Aid Is Wasteful, Touts Return To 1900 | Crooks and Liars

Like I said, I would love to see Oddball go to Dallas and tell someone who lost EVERYTHING that they won't get a dime of federal assistance....from what I hear Texans are a touchy lot when they realized they're getting sandbagged.

Like you can tell anyone what they need.

Does your conceit know any bounds?

It's like I told your like-minded buddy:

Translation: whenever neocon/teabagger/libertarian lunkheads with delusions of intelligence are logically and factually proven wrong, they try these pathetic attempts at bluff and distraction, as this Odd little man has done here.

Carry on.

 

[taichiliberal]

That's a gross distortion of his position on the issue, but don't let that get in the way of your guffawing.

Maybe you need to get your head out of Paul's wrinkled ass and stop drinking his Kool-Aid.

Maybe you should read more primary sources and less opinion pieces.

Sorry your troll-bait thread is failing. Better luck next time!

And another neocon/teabagger/libertarian blowhard tries to bluff and dodge past the FACT that he can't refute or disprove the FACTS I put in my previous post. And here it is for those that are tired of jokers like Crackerjack leave out:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/5071446-post17.html

Carry on.

 

[taichiliberal]

When have the fine citizens of Texas been left exempt from federal tax looting, so that they may be free of the presumption that far away bureaucrats will know best how to get them through their natural disasters?

You may now crawl back under your rock, boy.

Shouldn't Libertarians lead by example and give a demonstration of how successful private charities and local government can be at recovering from a disaster?

Free people who aren't necessarily libertarians do so all the time....Or did you miss the fact that companies like Wal Mart and Home Depot were much quicker to respond and help the people of Louisiana in the wake of Katrina, than were the feds?

Are you EVER going to produce ONE documented shred of evidence to support these gust of wind you keep blowing out your ass, Oddball? Because I gave FACT based evidence to back what I say, and jokers like YOU REFUSE to deal with it.

 

[taichiliberal]

I sure would like to see Ron Paul go to Dallas, TX tomorrow and tell those tornado victims:

"Don't take any federal money! Your churches and neighboring cities will help you out!"

I bet you that'll be the first time in his political career that Paul wished for a better gun control law!

What you don't get about libertarians is that they would already have adequate insurance so as to be able to recoup their losses without burdening anyone else.

I have additional homeowners insurance riders that will put me up in an apartment until my house is rebuilt. I have disability insurance so that if i get hurt I still have 70% of my pay coming in tax free.

And I'll get that money a lot faster than I would any government handout that has to travel between 30 different offices before it gets to me.

So while you're waiting for your government trailer and supply of fake cheese, I'll be set up in an apartment and eating out at a local pub.

What YOU don't get that is that for every person like you who can afford all that insurance, there are a many, many more who are JUST AS HARD WORKING AS YOU who can't. And many of those people do jobs that essentially provide the basis for the lifestyle that YOU have become comfortable and accustomed to. And PUH-LEEZE don't blow that bullhorn that all libertarian people are financially secure enough to be totally devoid of any gov't benefits or insurance.

Here's a little reality check regarding insurance companies and disaster claims:

AAJ Report Reveals


Texas has taken steps

Homeowners' Insurance Claims Denied?

I seem to recall when FEMA caught hell when it ceased assistance during the Texas wildfires last year...it was the TEXANS that were screaming for federal aid.


When you can PROVE your little assertion that ALL libertarian are just like YOU claim here, then maybe you have a point. If not, I'd stay out of Dallas if I were you.....and if you're there, don't brag. Also, I would dearly love to know how you're going to allegedly enjoy all those creature comforts your private insurance company provides at a PUBLIC bar whose private insurance may not cover his rebuilding, or if the PUBLIC power grid goes down and the STATE is overwhelmed until FEDERAL assistance BEYOND national guard comes to help.