Libertarianism in a Nutshell II

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    Rand's mother receives excellent care during her pregnancy
    rand is born in a public education university hospital
    he is well cared for in corporate day care
    his parents have health insurance through work
    he lives in a neighborhood in which the tax code provides good schools
    he attends public school and his parents can afford tutors if needed
    his grandparents provide funds for college
    he attends a state college and graduates with a business degree
    in college he joins a libertarian group
    a friend of his father recommends him to a colleague for a job interview
    he lands a job
    he marries a woman of similar background
    they have two children
    he repeats much of the life of his parents but enters politics
    he runs as a republican libertarian
    his campaign stresses libertarian principles of freedom
    hard work and the free market are the forces that matter
    the election is close
    rand wins
    he enters during a time of excessive budget deficits
    an enormous budget package includes reduced taxes and a reduction in entitlements
    rand true to his libertarian creed votes yes
    his is the deciding vote
    protesters hold signs of disagreement in the streets
    breakfast and lunch services are stopped for many children
    loans are limited for education funds
    early child care is reduced
    health care also receives a large cutback
    rand has been true to his libertarian creed
    after all he made it on his own didn't he

    Originally posted on fullpolitics.com
     
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    This is absurd. Anyone can create pretty little stories that, for all their charm, have little relation to reality.
     
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    It's a good thing The State runs education, and thank god they are in charge of food production. I mean education is important, but you'll die without food--it can't be left to the chaos of free markets. So the next time some anti-revolutionary pig wants to start talking about cutting government, ask him how he can make such a claim when he gets a bread ration from the Ministry of Agriculture every week.
     
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    Hmm, story? I probably know 10 to ? young men who fit that parable. But I ask how does one brought up in poverty accomplish the same.
     
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    It is painfully obvious that you do not understand economics or libertarianism.

    Your story is meaningless, and you look dumb.
     
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    I think that there is a key point that you are missing. While taxes were paid so that Rand could receive things through taxpayer money, it does not mean that he would not have received these things under a more Libertarian environment if given a better opportunity. Rand may have turned out even better if he was subjected to more of the private sector. If people, including businesses, were allowed to keep more of their money, people would have more money to spend in the private sector as they see fit. My parents said that if they didn’t have to pay public school tax, they would have spent the money to send me to private school. If businesses did not have to pay so much in taxes, there would be less overhead. Some of that revenue might be passed onto the consumer in cheaper prices. There are many reasons why people take public service. One reason is because taxes leave people with fewer options and less money with which to spend on similar private sector services.
     
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    I'm counting the ad hominems - it's difficult when someone uses your own tactics on you isn't it righties? :D. matts has made the effort to address the issues, help him out.
     
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    Diuretic, lol - right on.

    Matt, but then does everyone in your world have that same opportunity? is there a level playing field there? and taxes are not the key issue, we could easily say if corporations paid less taxes would those taxes help rebuild the infrastructure they use? Or would they go to stock holders who tend to be like Rand. Because I made in life I move in multiple circles, that gives you a perspective on the haves and have nots, the haves have opportunity regardless of talent or intelligence. Solutions are harder.

    "The middle class is a new invention of liberal democracies, the direct result of governments defining the rules of the game of business. It is, quite simply, an artifact of government regulation of markets and tax laws." Thom Hartmann
     

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