CDZ Libertarian Error: Locke And The Natural Right To Property

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    Because why write an essay when a sentence will do? I was being generous in interpretation, economical of word.

    Jurisprudence is the theory, or study of law - there is no enforcement of a theory, regardless of exigencies.

    But Libertarians do believe in codified law, not anarchy. Or so I've been told.




     
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    This is now philosophy. Because there is a point where the greed that is normally channeled into PRODUCTIVE SERVICE -- becomes a criminal act -- when folks perceive the power to "get away with it" or the ability to argue themselves out of criminal behavior.

    In the case of the financial crisis -- it reared up because of the braindead Federal guidelines and emphasis on booking risky loans. No natural market would have booked such a mountain of bad debt without coercion or encouragement from the "legal" authorities..
     
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    ... (wink) -- we support the Constitution in Full. Including ALL TEN of the BoRights!!! No bigger guardians of EVERYONE'S civil liberties than us.. :biggrin:

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    Well according to far left lore what is mine is theirs and what is theirs is not for me.

    Explains why you do not understand what |private" property is. However if you pay property taxes, you do not really own your property.
     
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    John Locke in his First Treatise of Government, Locke writes the following:

    God, the lord and father of all has given no one of his children such a property in his peculiar portion of the things of this world, but that he has given his needy brother a right to the surplusage of his goods, so that it cannot justly be denied him when his pressing wants call for it, and therefore, no man could ever have a just power over the life of another by right of property in land or possessions, since it would always be a sin in any man of estate to let his brother perish for want of affording him relief out of his plenty. - end

    Therefore: The fundamentally religious basis of this philosophy is the foundation of its moral code, which contemplates The Individual's moral duty as being created by God's Law: the Natural Law. The Individual's duty requires obedience to this Higher Law; while knowledge of this duty comes from conscience, which the religious-minded and morally-aware Individual feels duty-bound to heed. This philosophy asserts that there are moral absolutes: truths, such as those mentioned above, which are binding upon all Individuals at all times under all circumstances. This indicates some of the spiritual and moral values which are inherent in its concept of Individual Liberty-Responsibility.

    Liberty should never be spoken absent the word responsibility. The American philosophy, based upon this principle, is an indivisible whole and must be accepted or rejected as such. It cannot be treated piece-meal. Its fundamentals and its implicit meanings and obligations must be accepted together with its benefits.

    Copy pasta from here - 10. Private Property--Liberty's Support with reference to 1. The Spiritual is Supreme


     
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    Useful comparisons in the different philosophies within such a big tent as libertarianism would be those such as Mises vs Rothbard and Hoppe.

    So many different people are competing for entitlement to the term libertarianism. To that extent fundamental libertarianism is often misrepresented by those who seek claim to it.

    I'm still kind of chuckling at the Libertarian Party offering up a cultural Marxist like Gary Johnson. But I digress.
     

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