Liberals Won’t Be Around Much Longer!

[PoliticalChic]

Part history- part prognostication....

Shortly, ‘Liberals’ will be gone. Why? Mark Twain had the right idea: "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."


1. Under the first Progressive President, Woodrow Wilson, America was the world’s first fascist nation, complete with first modern propaganda ministry, political prisoners by the thousands, 100,000 government propaganda agents, a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate and widespread censorship.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

2. The result? “The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. [Republican] Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Wait for similar results in November!




3. So, the chameleon-like Left did the only thing it could do! ‘In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. [Socialists] knew that [classical] liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism.’ They changed the name!! Sneaky?? http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

a. Change the name from socialist, and progressive....to liberal!!!




4. A straight line can be drawn from Karl Marx and Georges Sorel up to our current version. History has regularly shown how wrong the theories are, so victory requires misdirection, fabrication…and a way to diminish the truth: the answer is the philosophical doctrine known as Postmodernism.

a. … postmodernism is based on the position that reality is not mirrored in human understanding of it, but is rather constructed as the mind tries to understand its own personal reality. Postmodernism is therefore skeptical of explanations that claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person…. Postmodernism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. … truth has fallen in priority to ideology, also known as the ‘greater truth’ of pre-formed conclusions. A case in point is climate change. Normal science discovers facts, and then constructs a theory from those facts. ‘Post-modern science’ starts with a theory that is politically sensitive, and then makes up facts to influence opinion in its favor.
Melanie Philips, “The World Turned Upside Down”




5. “ President Obama often speaks in postmodern language. For example, here is part of a discussion of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in his book, The Audacity of Hope:

“Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty, was a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or “ism,” any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course, or drive both majorities and minorities into the cruelties [notice cruelty: he's against it] of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the gulag, or the jihad.”

Obama's point here is that absolute truth and ordered liberty are incompatible, because absolute truth turns its believers into fanatics or moral monsters. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=0

a. So...if you believe that there is no absolute truth, no real right and wrong, no good or evil...hey, you're a Liberal, a Progressive....a Postmodernist!!!




5. So…where will the “Liberals” go when they disappear? No where….they’ll simply change their name…to….”PostMods!”


a. But know this: ‘Barack Obama stuck his foot in his mouth today when he said "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" ‘BARACK OBAMA: PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IT'S STILL A PIG - NYPOST.com

He didn't realize that he was applying same to his views.

 

[gipper]

I sure hope liberalism dies soon. If it does not, America as we know it, will.

Sadly liberalism had done great damage.

Wilson was one of our worst presidents, but much of what he accomplished we still suffer under ie. the federal reserve, income tax, ignored the Constitution repeatedly, statism, war-making, interventionism, League of Nations (forerunner of the UN), gov control of the economy, and on and on....

So, if history is a guide...the damage done by the socialist BO and the progressive W will stay will us for a long time.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I sure hope liberalism dies soon. If it does not, America as we know it, will.

Sadly liberalism had done great damage.

Wilson was one of our worst presidents, but much of what he accomplished we still suffer under ie. the federal reserve, income tax, ignored the Constitution repeatedly, statism, war-making, interventionism, League of Nations (forerunner of the UN), gov control of the economy, and on and on....

So, if history is a guide...the damage done by the socialist BO and the progressive W will stay will us for a long time.

Actually, gip....I wasn't saying that the folks who call themselves Liberals will be gone....

....I was saying that they would play the ol' 3-card Monte, and try to fool folks by changing their name to PostMods.

They were successful once before.....

...but I think folks are smarter now.

 

[Mr Natural]

Yeah, that five-day, 40-hour work week sure does suck the big one.

 

[Liability]

Yeah, that five-day, 40-hour work week sure does suck the big one.

^ @ libs taking credit for such old stuff.

 

[Moonglow]

yawn, same old shit from an extremist that thinks they know it all. If the GOP could handle it then why didn't they do anything to oh say, stop individual taxes? Welfare, political prisoners, public parks, public golf courses, govt. control of economy, Dept of ed, UN membership, etc, etc? When they have controlled the govt.

 

[Moonglow]

Yeah, that five-day, 40-hour work week sure does suck the big one.

^ @ libs taking credit for such old stuff.

I'll tell you what, cream puff, you come with me and let's see if you can last the day working as hard as I do.

 

[Liability]

Yeah, that five-day, 40-hour work week sure does suck the big one.

^ @ libs taking credit for such old stuff.

I'll tell you what, cream puff, you come with me and let's see if you can last the day working as hard as I do.

I'll tell you what, you dip shit. I have probably worked harder in my life than you can possibly fathom, but the good news is:

That's got nothing to do with the topic under discussion. Your deflection is a fail, you imbecile.

 

[Luissa]

I would like to see any of you do what I do. Lol
Just say the other day I was puked on, then swung at with a pop bottle.

 

[Truthmatters]

PC the OP has yet again provided links to bat shit crazy right wing propaganda.


when will these people stop stuffing their heads with this nonsense to try and find a way to avoid admitting they were HAD by Bush and he made fools of them for backing trickle down economics yet again.


It never works and it wont work this time either folks.

wise the fuck up

 

[PoliticalChic]

PC the OP has yet again provided links to bat shit crazy right wing propaganda.


when will these people stop stuffing their heads with this nonsense to try and find a way to avoid admitting they were HAD by Bush and he made fools of them for backing trickle down economics yet again.


It never works and it wont work this time either folks.

wise the fuck up

"... links to bat shit crazy right wing propaganda."

Well...I live to learn, Ms. Truthie.....

...sure would appreciate if you could list all of the errors in the OP.


Too busy?
How about some of 'em.....
...I know you wouldn't fib....would you?



I wonder if you know who led the commission that had Leon Trotsky questioned during Stalin's Purge Trials....the sort of counter trial, held in Mexico, with Trotsky as chief witness.

"The American Committee for the Defense of Leon Trotsky was a pseudo-judicial process set up by American Trotskyists as a front organization following the first of the Moscow Trials."
American Committee for the Defense of Leon Trotsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hint: The very same Leftist who changed the name of the Progressives/Socialists to 'Liberals.'


"At the time of the Purges only one significant attempt to expose Stalin's frame-ups was made. This was the so-called Counter-trial under the chairmanship of John Dewey, held in Mexico City in 1937. The chief witness was Leon Trotsky who at the Moscow trials had been the chief defendant. The verdict of the Dewey Commission was an authoritative and unambiguous 'not guilty'. "Be it even over our bleaching bones, the truth will triumph" - thus Trotsky ended his refutation of Stalin's forgeries. Three years later, only a few streets away from the house where the Commission had held its sessions and these words were spoken, Stalin's agent drove an ice-pick into Trotsky's skull."
Trotsky sought asylum in Britain, supported by Sidney & Beatrice Webb, H. G. Wells, Bernard Shaw & Keynes



Did you know about that, Ms. Truthie?
Supports the OP, doesn't it.


Ms. Truthie.....

Oh, no.....did I scare you away???

So sorry.

 

[kiwiman127]

Yep, the hand writing is on the wall, we're all going to be goose-stepping to the same drummer. Thinking for yourself will be un-American (it already is, in the minds of the far right)..

 

[gipper]

PC the OP has yet again provided links to bat shit crazy right wing propaganda.


when will these people stop stuffing their heads with this nonsense to try and find a way to avoid admitting they were HAD by Bush and he made fools of them for backing trickle down economics yet again.


It never works and it wont work this time either folks.

wise the fuck up

You are the one who needs to wise the fuck up. W and Big Ears are both progressives (well Big Ears is really a socialist). They both grow and expand the size and power of government, while limiting the people's liberty.

It amazes me that libs and progressives fail to see this. They should love W, but since he has an R after his name, they aren't smart enough to see the truth. It is as apparent as the nose on your face, but the lib MSM and the D party (really commies) have duped you again and you buy it.

If you think Bush governed as a conservative, you are incapable of thinking.

 

[Wolfmann]

Part history- part prognostication....

Shortly, ‘Liberals’ will be gone. Why? Mark Twain had the right idea: "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."


1. Under the first Progressive President, Woodrow Wilson, America was the world’s first fascist nation, complete with first modern propaganda ministry, political prisoners by the thousands, 100,000 government propaganda agents, a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate and widespread censorship.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

2. The result? “The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. [Republican] Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Wait for similar results in November!




3. So, the chameleon-like Left did the only thing it could do! ‘In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. [Socialists] knew that [classical] liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism.’ They changed the name!! Sneaky?? http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

a. Change the name from socialist, and progressive....to liberal!!!




4. A straight line can be drawn from Karl Marx and Georges Sorel up to our current version. History has regularly shown how wrong the theories are, so victory requires misdirection, fabrication…and a way to diminish the truth: the answer is the philosophical doctrine known as Postmodernism.

a. … postmodernism is based on the position that reality is not mirrored in human understanding of it, but is rather constructed as the mind tries to understand its own personal reality. Postmodernism is therefore skeptical of explanations that claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person…. Postmodernism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. … truth has fallen in priority to ideology, also known as the ‘greater truth’ of pre-formed conclusions. A case in point is climate change. Normal science discovers facts, and then constructs a theory from those facts. ‘Post-modern science’ starts with a theory that is politically sensitive, and then makes up facts to influence opinion in its favor.
Melanie Philips, “The World Turned Upside Down”




5. “ President Obama often speaks in postmodern language. For example, here is part of a discussion of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in his book, The Audacity of Hope:

“Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty, was a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or “ism,” any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course, or drive both majorities and minorities into the cruelties [notice cruelty: he's against it] of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the gulag, or the jihad.”

Obama's point here is that absolute truth and ordered liberty are incompatible, because absolute truth turns its believers into fanatics or moral monsters. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=0

a. So...if you believe that there is no absolute truth, no real right and wrong, no good or evil...hey, you're a Liberal, a Progressive....a Postmodernist!!!




5. So…where will the “Liberals” go when they disappear? No where….they’ll simply change their name…to….”PostMods!”


a. But know this: ‘Barack Obama stuck his foot in his mouth today when he said "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" ‘BARACK OBAMA: PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IT'S STILL A PIG - NYPOST.com

He didn't realize that he was applying same to his views.

When you say liberals won't be around long, what do you and your cohorts mean. Killing, prison, deportation?, what. There will always be liberal minded people in the world like Jesus for example. The only way to get rid of them so they won't be around longer is to do what Hitler did. Now whose the scary one. The loon. To openly threaten someone on an open forum is against the laws of this country. I hope you meant something else

 

[PoliticalChic]

Part history- part prognostication....

Shortly, ‘Liberals’ will be gone. Why? Mark Twain had the right idea: "History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme."


1. Under the first Progressive President, Woodrow Wilson, America was the world’s first fascist nation, complete with first modern propaganda ministry, political prisoners by the thousands, 100,000 government propaganda agents, a quarter million ‘goons’ were given legal authority to beat and intimidate and widespread censorship.
http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Classical_Liberalism_vs_Modern_Liberal_Conservatism.pdf p. 9

2. The result? “The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. [Republican] Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

a. Wait for similar results in November!




3. So, the chameleon-like Left did the only thing it could do! ‘In the United States, where liberalism most clearly reversed its meaning, in common parlance, it was the socialist John Dewey who openly promoted the idea of stealing the liberal label. [Socialists] knew that [classical] liberalism had a good reputation with the working classes — the very audience which they were targeting. The idea was to adopt the name liberal to describe socialism.’ They changed the name!! Sneaky?? http://orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/liberal_confusion.htm

a. Change the name from socialist, and progressive....to liberal!!!




4. A straight line can be drawn from Karl Marx and Georges Sorel up to our current version. History has regularly shown how wrong the theories are, so victory requires misdirection, fabrication…and a way to diminish the truth: the answer is the philosophical doctrine known as Postmodernism.

a. … postmodernism is based on the position that reality is not mirrored in human understanding of it, but is rather constructed as the mind tries to understand its own personal reality. Postmodernism is therefore skeptical of explanations that claim to be valid for all groups, cultures, traditions, or races, and instead focuses on the relative truths of each person…. Postmodernism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

b. … truth has fallen in priority to ideology, also known as the ‘greater truth’ of pre-formed conclusions. A case in point is climate change. Normal science discovers facts, and then constructs a theory from those facts. ‘Post-modern science’ starts with a theory that is politically sensitive, and then makes up facts to influence opinion in its favor.
Melanie Philips, “The World Turned Upside Down”




5. “ President Obama often speaks in postmodern language. For example, here is part of a discussion of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence in his book, The Audacity of Hope:

“Implicit in [the Constitution's] structure, in the very idea of ordered liberty, was a rejection of absolute truth, the infallibility of any idea or ideology or theology or “ism,” any tyrannical consistency that might lock future generations into a single, unalterable course, or drive both majorities and minorities into the cruelties [notice cruelty: he's against it] of the Inquisition, the pogrom, the gulag, or the jihad.”

Obama's point here is that absolute truth and ordered liberty are incompatible, because absolute truth turns its believers into fanatics or moral monsters. https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=0

a. So...if you believe that there is no absolute truth, no real right and wrong, no good or evil...hey, you're a Liberal, a Progressive....a Postmodernist!!!




5. So…where will the “Liberals” go when they disappear? No where….they’ll simply change their name…to….”PostMods!”


a. But know this: ‘Barack Obama stuck his foot in his mouth today when he said "you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" ‘BARACK OBAMA: PUT LIPSTICK ON A PIG, IT'S STILL A PIG - NYPOST.com

He didn't realize that he was applying same to his views.

When you say liberals won't be around long, what do you and your cohorts mean. Killing, prison, deportation?, what. There will always be liberal minded people in the world like Jesus for example. The only way to get rid of them so they won't be around longer is to do what Hitler did. Now whose the scary one. The loon. To openly threaten someone on an open forum is against the laws of this country. I hope you meant something else

"Killing, prison, deportation?, what."

What a damn fool you are!!!

What did you do, read the title only...and they write this really stupid post???



Read the OP....have someone with some sense explain it to you...they try again.
After you apologize.

 

[rightwinger]

This great nation was founded by liberals

Liberals gave us....

Abolition
Womens vote
40 hour week
Worker rights
Civil rights
Womens equality
Environmental protections
Gay rights


Yes, liberals should be around for a while

 

[PoliticalChic]

This great nation was founded by liberals

Liberals gave us....

Abolition
Womens vote
40 hour week
Worker rights
Civil rights
Womens equality
Environmental protections
Gay rights


Yes, liberals should be around for a while

You keep muttering that same falsehood.....

...I understand how difficult it is for you to change at you age.



While it may be too nuanced for you to comprehend, here is the truth:

1. Unlike classical liberalism, which saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly, the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve.’ Thus progressive reformers saw the home as the front line in the war to transform men into compliant social organs.

a. One answer was to get children out of the home as quickly as possible, so that the home could no longer be an island, separate and sovereign from the rest of society.
b. John Dewey helped create kindergartens to help shape children for the new ‘society.’
c. This can be seen in Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.” (Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111

2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked [classical]liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” War Is the Health of the State

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.



... individualism, private property, and limits on power...Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.


OK...you can go back to your prune juice.

 

[rightwinger]

This great nation was founded by liberals

Liberals gave us....

Abolition
Womens vote
40 hour week
Worker rights
Civil rights
Womens equality
Environmental protections
Gay rights


Yes, liberals should be around for a while

You keep muttering that same falsehood.....

...I understand how difficult it is for you to change at you age.



While it may be too nuanced for you to comprehend, here is the truth:

1. Unlike classical liberalism, which saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly, the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve.’ Thus progressive reformers saw the home as the front line in the war to transform men into compliant social organs.

a. One answer was to get children out of the home as quickly as possible, so that the home could no longer be an island, separate and sovereign from the rest of society.
b. John Dewey helped create kindergartens to help shape children for the new ‘society.’
c. This can be seen in Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.” (Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111

2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked [classical]liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” War Is the Health of the State

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.



... individualism, private property, and limits on power...Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.


OK...you can go back to your prune juice.

Liberals are liberals

It is a mindset of looking at how your society is functioning and saying....I can make it better

The issues change, the tactics change

But what remains the same is.........Conservatives fight every step of the way

 

[Dot Com]

NEWSFLASH!!! President Obama has governed like a Moderate in his 1st- term. Many Progressives, like myself, wanted single-payer HC & waaay tougher Wall St (East Las Vegas) regulation.

Try putting down the rightie- kool aid before spending 1/2 hr writing another elaborately- contrived OP based on a faulty premise

 

[PoliticalChic]

This great nation was founded by liberals

Liberals gave us....

Abolition
Womens vote
40 hour week
Worker rights
Civil rights
Womens equality
Environmental protections
Gay rights


Yes, liberals should be around for a while

You keep muttering that same falsehood.....

...I understand how difficult it is for you to change at you age.



While it may be too nuanced for you to comprehend, here is the truth:

1. Unlike classical liberalism, which saw government as a necessary evil, of simply a benign but voluntary social contract for free men to enter into willingly, the belief that the entire society was one organic whole left no room for those who didn’t want to behave, let alone ‘evolve.’ Thus progressive reformers saw the home as the front line in the war to transform men into compliant social organs.

a. One answer was to get children out of the home as quickly as possible, so that the home could no longer be an island, separate and sovereign from the rest of society.
b. John Dewey helped create kindergartens to help shape children for the new ‘society.’
c. This can be seen in Woodrow Wilson’s speech as president of Princeton: “Our problem is not merely to help students to adjust to themselves to world life…[but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.” (Michael McGerr, “A Fierce Discontent: The Rise and Fall of the Progressive Movement in America, 1870-1920,” p. 111

2.Classical liberalism
a. “The American intellectual class from the mid 19th century onward has disliked [classical]liberalism (which originally referred to individualism, private property, and limits on power) precisely because the liberal society has no overarching goal.” War Is the Health of the State

b. Wilson and the Progressives tried to make war socialism permanent, but the voters didn’t agree. They (Progressives) began to agree more and more with Bismarckian top-down socialism, and looked to Russia and Italy where ‘men of action’ were creating utopias. Also, John Dewey renamed Progressivism as ‘liberalism,’ which had referred to political and economic liberty, along the lines of John Locke and Adam Smith: maximum individual freedom under a minimalist state. Dewey changed the meaning to the Prussian meaning: alleviation of material and educational poverty, and the removal of old ideas and faiths. Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.



... individualism, private property, and limits on power...Classical liberals were more like what we call Conservatives.


OK...you can go back to your prune juice.

Liberals are liberals

It is a mindset of looking at how your society is functioning and saying....I can make it better

The issues change, the tactics change

But what remains the same is.........Conservatives fight every step of the way

So wrong for so long, wingy.


And so easy to destroy your flimsy argument....which I note never comes with links and documentation: the sure sign of apocryphal oral history.


Ready?
OK...if the Founders were your version of modern liberals, as opposed to the truth...that they were conservatives (classical liberals), then they would have desired a strong dominant central government....

...a king, an 'imperial presidency' (e.g., FDR, Obama)...rather than a one based on federalism and the limitations of our Constitution.

QED



Of course, the degree to which your version of history is to be believed can be seen in your avi....'rightwinger'....when you have not even a passing acquaintance with right-wing beliefs.